I know. That's quite the achievement for MNTV. They have to be happy about that.
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Originally posted by WelcomeToK-Ville: It was Halloween so all numbers are going to be down. I'm surprised how poor Phenomenon performed. It was an episode geared towards Halloween. PD is too confusing to garner a main audience. It's going to be a fringe show. And CW should never air GG repeats. Those numbers are MNTV territory.
As of Tuesday night, MNTV territory now goes as high as 2.5 million viewers (and that was for an encore).
Yeah, I can't see why PD would be expensive compared to many new one hour programming.
Sure the pilot was probably quite costly as well as the promotional campaign, but I don't see it for the other episodes I have watched (though I don't watch regularily, so perhaps I have missed some larger episodes).
But I honestly don't expect this show to last more then this season. The concept (as much as I enjoyed it) doesn't interest me as a recurring theme (same as Reaper, both pilots I really enjoyed).
I feel like Gossip Girl is the new Jennifer Aniston. It's the not attractive creature that the networks are pushing on me too like, even though I dislike it. Then, eventually, it becomes a media phenom and I'm forced to at least accept.
It's not a surprise that the earlier starting shows have dropped more than the later starting shows. As low as PUSHING DAISIES' numbers are, the numbers for PHENOMENON and KID NATION were lower than the prior weeks by a significant amount. BTW, why would CBS air KN on a night when a lot of kids are out of the house? Maybe to burn off episodes I guess.
The 10pm shows shouldn't have dropped by that much. I occasionally watch CSI:NY, but I'm glad to see the numbers have significantly dropped from last year. Too many forensic dramas spawning on that network, hopefully this trend cuts it back some. I was hoping DSM would maintain, but every show was down from last week, so I guess a drop was inevitable.
10/24/07 cbs Criminal Minds 15,046 3.9
10/31/07 cbs Criminal Minds 14,690 3.5
I would not expect as much impact on a 10PM show.
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Originally posted by robert: For those who will find the Halloween as an excuse for the poor PD's numbers i want to give an advice: look at CM, CSINY or DSM' numbers before
Btw, I'm starting to change my mind about Pushing Daisies being this year's Studio 60.
It took Studio 60 most of last season to drop below 3.0 in the demo. It had a similar-sized HH rating at this point last year, but a much larger demo rating--and yeah, all else being roughly equal, demo matters a LOT.
Yeah, I can't see why PD would be expensive compared to many new one hour programming.
And for the record, how many TV shows have you produced?
I've heard from a number of people who work in TV that the budgets were insane for PD. Yes, they've gone down--and the end result is a show fewer people are interested in watching. It's still an expensive show to make, because they still take a lot of time setting up shots, and doing post-production. And if ABC renewed it, they'd be paying a higher license fee. But with the ratings dropping the way they are, that isn't something anyone need worry about.
Hmm--so you're saying the show looks cheap and tacky? I suppose you have a point there.
It's an expensive show to make, and that's well-established. Yes, the first two eps were MORE expensive, but they still take a lot of time setting up shots, from what I heard, and that runs into money. No question they cut costs, but that's led, as you yourself admit, to the show losing the very pseudo-cinematic visual element that had most people tuning in at first.
Actually the show is getting better with every episode, but after the first 2 episodes, all the main expensive sets that will be used in every episode are already built
you still did not give a source, you say from what you heard they still take a lot of time setting up shots, where did you hear that? give us a source that says so
Bashing PD doesn't make much sense here. HUT levels at 8 p.m. were awful. Take another look at the week-to-week demo declines for 8 p.m. first-run shows:
(I've corrected the number for "Phenomenon" to reflect its performance in the 8 p.m. hour. Thanks to spotonj for the original post.)
Even though it's more expensive to produce, I can guarantee you that ABC is much happier right now than NBC or CBS concerning that timeslot.
Media Life Magazine's report on last night's ratings is much more unbiased and straightforward than what's found around here.
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ABC’s “Pushing Daisies” slipped to a series-worst 2.6 among adults 18-49, though it still won its timeslot by a hefty 30 percent in front of NBC’s “Phenomenon” and CBS’s “Kid Nation,” which matched a series low with a 2.0.
And ABC’s “Private Practice,” the top-rated new drama this season, also sank to a series-low 3.8, though it too won its timeslot and helped ABC tie for first on the night.
Clearly "Life" is the show in the most trouble here, especially since HUT levels should've been higher at 10 p.m. than at 8 p.m. on Halloween.
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Another thing about PD, is even the adults that weren't out with kids may not have watched it, because they were too busy running back and forth to the front door just as I was. I knew from the last several years that 7:30-8:30 is my busiest time with still a few coming between 7-7:30 and 8:30-9, so I figured there was no point in trying to watch "PD" last night, so I just taped it. I feel certain that in two weeks when the next new episode of PD airs that it'll be back up in the ratings. I mean, the fact of the matter is that everything (except for CSI: NY, which has an older audience and comes on at 10 when all trick or treaters and their parents are most likely home) was down atleast a little bit last night.
By many accounts, the problems on "Daisies" fall into the gulf between needs and expectations for a show with highly ambitious fx, image-coloring and -processing requirements. It is no secret in the biz that ABC Entertainment prexy Steve McPherson is unhappy with the roughly $2.65 million per-episode base production budget Warners has allocated for the show, billed as an adult fairy tale about a man with the ability to bring dead things back to life.
Am I the only person on this forum who has heard of Google?
Originally posted by Frazier: It's not a surprise that the earlier starting shows have dropped more than the later starting shows. As low as PUSHING DAISIES' numbers are, the numbers for PHENOMENON and KID NATION were lower than the prior weeks by a significant amount.
The Halloween effect is significant and the Live+7 numbers are going to be more relevant for Oct. 31st than for other nights this week.
Two side notes for the people that don't think Halloween effects TV ratings: 1. To believe Halloween doesn't have a significant effect requires a complete inability to analyze data. 2. I mentioned several times earlier this week that Halloween would have this effect when pointing out why ANTM/GG were not wasting new episodes on the evening. So, no whines about retroactive excuses need be presented.
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BTW, why would CBS air KN on a night when a lot of kids are out of the house? Maybe to burn off episodes I guess.
CBS probably should have opted for a 'clip show' to recap the season so far and saved the next new episode for sweeps. CBS needs to keep as much new content as possible on tap for a possible writer's strike. Of all the networks, CBS is in the worst shape as far as new content already waiting in the wings in case of that writer's strike. The only savior for CBS is that their shows repeat well.
Btw, for those PD fans touting Halloween this week as a reason for PD's decline--it seems to me you were all saying last week it would bounce UP in the ratings this week, once it didn't have baseball to contend with. I don't remember people talking about how Halloween was going to hurt it.
So can I just ask--did you think Halloween was canceled this year? Or did you think maybe they'd just postpone it a day, so that PD could get better ratings?
I'm sure PD lost a few viewers to parties and trick or treating, but self-evidently it would have gone down anyway--just a bit less.
And the Halloween-themed ep was hyped extensively--that probably brought in some new viewers--who probably didn't stick around very long.
However, if next week its ratings go back up to the level they were at two weeks ago, I will cheerfully admit my error.
Originally posted by vlis: CM is down week to week:
10/24/07 cbs Criminal Minds 15,046 3.9
10/31/07 cbs Criminal Minds 14,690 3.5
I would not expect as much impact on a 10PM show.
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Originally posted by robert: For those who will find the Halloween as an excuse for the poor PD's numbers i want to give an advice: look at CM, CSINY or DSM' numbers before
That's a much smaller drop 400k for a 15 million show is nothing compared to 1 million for a 9 million show
