People bash Grey's simply for the sake of bashing it. They see the sex and relationships and believe it's a constant theme when in fact the show's much deeper than that.
It's not as shallow as many people like to believe it is.
And there is absolutely no reason why someone couldn't enjoy watching both CSI and Grey's Anatomy.
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And thats bad considering that Soaps are poorly written in the first place.
Y'know that'a a really snobbish, elitist statement...there has been some very excellent and yes even complex writing done on various soaps over the years.
I disagree. After decades of being exposed to Soaps either through parent, sibling or spouse, I ahve no problem saying that I find daytime soaps to be extremely poorly written. With inconsisent character development, week and generic dialogue and generally poorly developed and reasoned plots.
Now of course, one can argue that part of those issues (even a to a large degree) are due to the limits of the medium, and the fast pace needed to generate scripts. But it still remains inmy opinion to be consisently the weakest area of scripted shows currently airing fictional material.
I can give you leeway on the soaps in recent years as the old masters of the craft such as a man named Douglas Marland, a supreme headwriter, have died or retired and a newer generation of writers are coming up who are nowhere near as skilled leadings to some of the problems you mentioned. But your blanket statement ignores some pretty good writing that peaked in the 1980's I'd say.
And see most of the my exposure (in heavier amounts) is from the late 70's to late 88.
And I have no problems saying out of the various mediums of daily soaps, weekly scipted series, telefilms, miniseries, indie film, and major hollywood film productions that I find daily soaps to be as a whole the worst in what the final scripted product is.
And it should be. They have less resources, they have the smallest amount of development time. And lets face it, almost everything can be improved with rewrites, and the more time you have the more time you have to polish. Thats soemthing that soaps have almost no time for.
Does that mean that all soaps suck? Nope. Just like all of media has things that range in quality.
People bash Grey's simply for the sake of bashing it. They see the sex and relationships and believe it's a constant theme when in fact the show's much deeper than that.
It's not as shallow as many people like to believe it is.
I agree. It is shallow, but not as shallow as those people like to believe. And everything they like is shallow too. So there!
CSI, which is still number 1 in the Nielsen ratings after 8 years and is beating the "hottest" show, is fading?
Much as I deplore the tendency of some people to overboost 18-49 #'s, it's just as annoying when people willfully ignore them. CSI hasn't beaten Greys once this season. Greys just beat CSI in all categories. But that's not why CSI is fading. It's fading because its viewerbase is aging, and is not being replaced. People are watching it out of habit, not enthusiasm. It's Murder She Wrote with gizmos, is all.
Originally posted by Charmqn: I do know that Lost is probably the only show not affected by the strike, since the creators stockedpiled scripts for 14 out of 16 episodes.
I find it hard to believe that they have already written 14 episodes. What is your source?
CSI, which is still number 1 in the Nielsen ratings after 8 years and is beating the "hottest" show, is fading?
Much as I deplore the tendency of some people to overboost 18-49 #'s, it's just as annoying when people willfully ignore them. CSI hasn't beaten Greys once this season. Greys just beat CSI in all categories. But that's not why CSI is fading. It's fading because its viewerbase is aging, and is not being replaced. People are watching it out of habit, not enthusiasm. It's Murder She Wrote with gizmos, is all.
So what is your overall point? CSI should be cancelled?
Originally posted by Charmqn: I do know that Lost is probably the only show not affected by the strike, since the creators stockedpiled scripts for 14 out of 16 episodes.
I find it hard to believe that they have already written 14 episodes. What is your source?
Not a credible source, but then you didn't specify.
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Originally posted by Charmqn: I do know that Lost is probably the only show not affected by the strike, since the creators stockedpiled scripts for 14 out of 16 episodes.
I find it hard to believe that they have already written 14 episodes. What is your source?
Originally posted by Charmqn: I do know that Lost is probably the only show not affected by the strike, since the creators stockedpiled scripts for 14 out of 16 episodes.
I find it hard to believe that they have already written 14 episodes. What is your source?
Not a credible source, but then you didn't specify.
I take anything Kristin says with a grain of salt.
I don't know ... I'm more inclined to believe this, because if you really think about it ... it makes sense. Hollywood has had a pretty good inkling that this strike was coming for sometime now and if you are part of a show that's been on in previous years you knew for the most part where you stood as far as how many episodes, etc ... you'd be airing for the season. "Lost" also has the added advantage of only having 16 episodes as opposed to the normal 22-25 and has probably had more lead time to get these scripts into their final form before filming starts since the first episode is not scheduled to air until late January/early February. I understand taking Kristin with a grain of salt, but it is my belief that if this is true about any show it'll be true about "Lost".
I was advocating like crazy for shorter seasons for Lost last year--they wasted a lot of time on pointless subplots and characters nobody cared about. Fact is, they didn't have enough story left for three more full seasons. I just hope they have enough for three more 16 ep seasons.
Be interesting to see if Lost can capitalize on there being less first-run TV to watch.
Originally posted by mushu_jj: Sadly vlis, you may be right.
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Originally posted by vlis: and so begins then end of network tv as we know it
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Originally posted by TravisYanan: It's official. The WGA will strike.
But not tonight. An official timeline announcement will be announced Friday afternoon.
what do you mean by that. of course this strike will end at sometime and then the TV shows and Movies are back to normal again. Bit overdramatic don't you think.
Originally posted by Charmqn: I do know that Lost is probably the only show not affected by the strike, since the creators stockedpiled scripts for 14 out of 16 episodes.
I find it hard to believe that they have already written 14 episodes. What is your source?
Not a credible source, but then you didn't specify.
I take anything Kristin says with a grain of salt.
As well you should, but considering how far down J.J. Abrams' pants "Wrongda" is, I'm guessing this is the one of the rare things she's rightda about. Besides, why is this hard to believe? As noted elsewhere in this thread, "Everybody Hates Chris" had their entire season written. (They've operated on a different schedule than most broadcast net, scripted shows since they started, but all the same.) Many of the new fall shows have their original 13 scripts in at least first draft form. Most of them have 9-11 episodes, including the pilots, in the can.
-- "Better Off Ted," Wednesdays at some time or another at some point or another in the near future. Because we can't all live in mansions and not ever work like the people on "Modern Family."
Originally posted by Charmqn: I do know that Lost is probably the only show not affected by the strike, since the creators stockedpiled scripts for 14 out of 16 episodes.
I find it hard to believe that they have already written 14 episodes. What is your source?
Not a credible source, but then you didn't specify.
I take anything Kristin says with a grain of salt.
I don't know ... I'm more inclined to believe this, because if you really think about it ... it makes sense. Hollywood has had a pretty good inkling that this strike was coming for sometime now and if you are part of a show that's been on in previous years you knew for the most part where you stood as far as how many episodes, etc ... you'd be airing for the season. "Lost" also has the added advantage of only having 16 episodes as opposed to the normal 22-25 and has probably had more lead time to get these scripts into their final form before filming starts since the first episode is not scheduled to air until late January/early February. I understand taking Kristin with a grain of salt, but it is my belief that if this is true about any show it'll be true about "Lost".
Most aricles I've read indicate a number between 9 & 11. Even if they have 14 episodes in the bank I highly doubt ABC will continue to film them without the producers involved, producers play their part in post production when it comes to cutting a particular scene or adding a new one and things of that nature. I hope ABC does not compromise the quality of the product in their efforts to have new episodes in February.
