Originally posted by WlcmZapataTexas: LOL! That doesn't make sense at all. Why keep it a secret?
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Originally posted by Fifty:
Glee has been picked up in the UK, but the network that picked it up is being kept secret for now, WTF? lol.
No idea. They spent a lot of money on it apparently (Making me think it's a smaller channel that buying a new show would be big for). But surely if you pick up a series your supposed to shout it from the rooftops and advertise it as much as humanly possible.
Yeah helenf I heard E4 or C4 but just rumours, no decent sources will talk lol.
Does the CW ever pull anything no matter how bad the ratings are?
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Originally posted by TAYLORJNG: TBL might be pulled before its 13 which would be a spectacular failure for the CW. What if this and Melrose Place got switched?
Glee held up pretty well. It's not going to be a huge success, but it's a demo performer and it might get more popular once American Idol is its lead-in.
As for Jay Leno, we really have to wait and see until next week. It seems to rely a bit on its lead-in. AGT is older-skewing (by the way, amazing numbers), and Leno built on viewers but kept the same demo as yesterday when it ha a younger-skewing lead-in. I want to see how it'll do when it has something like Trauma as its lead-in.
Compared to TBL, MP is doing pretty well. Who would have thought that just yesterday?
I wonder what TVD's numbers will be today. SPN will drop, that's for sure since there's some crossover audience with Fringe. But I'm curious about TVD - what do you think, how much will it drop? Will it be last year's 90210 in repeat - great premiere, huge drop? Or will it keep its numbers relatively steady?
The fact that show repeated well bodes well for TVD's future. Plus, those supernatural darker shows (Smallville, Supernatural) seem to be the only shows that pull over 3 million for the CW. I really think this one is a keeper...
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Originally posted by curious: I wonder what TVD's numbers will be today. SPN will drop, that's for sure since there's some crossover audience with Fringe. But I'm curious about TVD - what do you think, how much will it drop? Will it be last year's 90210 in repeat - great premiere, huge drop? Or will it keep its numbers relatively steady?
Did AGT have any runover into the 10pm hour? What were the 1/2 hour or 1/4 hour breakdowns of Leno?
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Originally posted by mac35: A little surprised that Leno went back up last night in total viewers but it looks like AGT having over 18mil in the last half hour had a LOT to do with that. Odd that the demo stayed the same from Tues to Wed though given the better demo lead in last night.
Will be interesting tonight since Community won't offer as good of a viewership lead in (demo may be similar but we shall see). I'm guessing Leno is under 10 mil tonight with a 3ish demo.
Does the CW ever pull anything no matter how bad the ratings are?
Yeah, their entire Sunday line-up...and that was on a lower-profile night (for the CW) where they had no opportunity to use ANTM as a halfway-decent lead-in. IF they repeated 90210 again, it would probably get better ratings then TBL.
Unless TBL improves, it's a goner.
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It looks like Jay Leno will be very lead in dependent, and also the level of competition each night will determine its ratings. It is the type of show that viewers will not watch every night, but on nights when there is less competition at 10:00 it may do well.
If Smallville and the 2nd episode of TVD can't get over 3.5 million viewers, they are in big trouble. And I see Top Model lasting another two cycles at the most.
This should be a very good show and pull in higher than normal viewers. If I was ABC, I'd find a way to place this episode on another night then Sundays at 7 PM.
The large drop for ANTM is unexpected, at least in my opinion. There's really no reason why it should be down that much before the real competition starts. Did people miss Paulina Porizkova that much as a judge?
As for VD, I think it will have a drop similar to MP at around 20%. The competition is tougher. It will also be interesting to see how Supernatural does against Fringe. These two shows seem to be appealing to the same exact audience in the same exact timeslot.
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Originally posted by Troxa: The CW is another step closer to closing down.
If Smallville and the 2nd episode of TVD can't get over 3.5 million viewers, they are in big trouble. And I see Top Model lasting another two cycles at the most.
Leno's fortunes seem to rise and fall based on his lead-in.
And in a related observation, I've noticed that thermometer readings tend to rise and fall based on the temperature.
I honestly am not watching Leno's show. I never watched him much in latenight either (or Letterman).
But it just seems so ridiculous to talk about trends on the basis of three broadcasts. ALL THREE OF WHICH got great ratings for NBC at that hour.
Yes, lead-in affects ratings. So does competition. So do HUT levels. So do a bunch of other things, including who Jay's interview bookers have lined up for a particular evening. But this past Tuesday's instalment, the lowest-rated night so far, which had a crappy lead-in, tough competition, and Michael Moore as the main interview guest, still got ratings significantly higher than what most people were predicting for the PREMIERE.
So it is NOT established that he needs a good lead-in or easy competition or a great 'get' in order to get ratings substantially better than NBC has been getting in that timeslot with expensive scripted programming. It may be so established in the coming weeks, at which time we can say "Well, that has been established." Until then, it's just a lot of gum-flapping, and Jay's looking more confident every night.
Because he's starting to figure out primetime is not such a big deal. I mean, they let Nathan Fillion star in a primetime show. For a little while longer.
Then why bother to reply to my post?
Other than to prove how less funny than the unfunny Jay Leno you are?
It is also "funny" how you refer to one of the highest rated series on NBC as a "crappy lead-in" (i.e. "The Biggest Loser"). Crappy or not, it gets better ratings than "The Office", but so does most every other series on television.
What is established is that you are NOT funny and the only person who thinks so is probably you and your mother, who is the founder, president, and only member of your fan club. The only reason you even reply to people's messages is so you have a reason to get out of bed in the morning...that, and to use the cut and paste feature on your computer.
Those numbers for the CW are not pretty. With the netlet now having two series already in trouble ("TBL" and "Melrose"), and another small midseason bench, one of the two will likely get a full season if for no other reason than the CW simply doesn't have anything else to put on (unless they opt to air two episodes of "Life Unexpected" - a new one and then rerun it the next day).
I don't think that CW will be as quick to cancel The Beautifuil Life or Melrose Place as they were Hidden Palms. Like you said, CW doesn't really have any backup programming to go to, so they pretty much have to keep what they already have on the air.
I watched last night's episode of the Beautiful Life and, as others have indicated, it was a good show. Unfortunatly, it isn't about cops, lawyers, or doctors, so it is going to be difficult to get any audience sample. Sheesh, FOX debuted a show about singing right after American Idol and they could barely get 10 million people to sample.
Right now, The Beautiful Life is facing two big problems: 1. Glee. This show is good and attracts the intended audience for The Beautiful Life. 2. ANTM just isn't the powerhouse that it once was.
Speaking of ANTM, the planning for this season was horrible. The first really bad idea was to have short people as contestants. The only thing stupider than that idea would be to have a season of male models. People just don't care. On top of that, one of the big episode builds of this show is normally the 'makeover episode', but this season they blew that on the premiere airing as well. Last night, they had a random and pointless double elimination episode; another thing that should have been built later into the season and given some promotion. To top it all off, the CW schedulers did not encore the first couple episodes of ANTM on another night, so they have likely lost that chance to hook in additional viewers the way they nornally do with those encores. At this point, CW might be better off encoring Vampire Diaries or Gossip Girl on Fridays rather than ANTM.
Most of all, what CW needs is another 3 or 4 shows for midseason instead of just the one. Doubling up on Life Unexpected as you suggest is a bad idea.
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The good news for Fox is that "Glee" is still doing better, but that 900,000 drop from last week is concerning.
Hopefully the viewer/demo dropping is done, but with the quirkiness of this show, I fear people may keep tuning out.
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I was not really surprised that Leno would rebound slightly in the ratings.
If this show settles in at anything higher than 5 million viewers a night, I will be surprised. The number of superstar guests is limited and the show itself is just more of that same old stuff.
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Speaking of tonight, I will be interested to find out how "Survivor: Samoa" does and if it can slow or reverse the downward trend that has plagued CBS's premiere reality franchise the last several seasons.
I think that Survivor will keep dropping. It may be the granddaddy of the current reality show crop, but people are still more likely to give up on an old show that they are to tune in to an old show dfor the first time.
I figure that both SYTYCD and Glee will stabilize (upper 6 to 7 mil viewers) in the weeks to come.
More character development and less musical numbers are key to Glee's on-going success. Not every situation calls for a musical number (there were at least 5-6 in last night's episode). Not keeping tabs on that may turn off viewers in the future.
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