Pretty much as expected with CBS, although the NCIS:LA hold was a bit higher than I expected.
Based on what I saw of The Good Wife, I would expect it to hold at an acceptable range for at least awhile. But as I said the last time I was posting in the forum, I expect a schedule change or two - not cancellations, but a few shows flipping periods - before this fall is over out of CBS.
As far as quality, I thought TGW was alright, better than something like Close to Home, but not exactly compelling. As far as NCIS LA, coming from someone who does not like the original but does like the intelligence genre, I was a bit disappointed. Plot ok, tone a bit off for this kind of content, and the parallels with the structure of the original were painfully obvious.
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Originally posted by robert: fantastic numbers for CBS as expected. Good Wife dropped more than i thought out of NCISLA but the half hour breakdown looks very good
Leno a loser? NBC should be thrilled with those numbers
NBC is probably having a party over those numbers for Leno, especially considering the amazing debut ratings for CBS' Good Wife.
I wouldn't say The Good Wife's ratings were "amazing"... that's a bit of a stretch. Its success was branded as one of the biggest no-brainers of the fall season, and I actually thought its audience would be bigger (I predicted 15 million).
I also didn't expect much competition from The Forgotten, which was marketed poorly by ABC, in my opinion. It actually did better than I expected. I thought it would only hold 50% of DWTS in viewers and 18-49.
That said, I agree with Marc's assessment of TJLS as a loser... given its lead-in and two unproven commodities, Tuesday night has to be the night they expect bigger numbers for the show, and those numbers aren't great... especially just one week into the season. When you compare it to last week's performance its a 37% drop in viewers and a 30% drop in demos. The Biggest Loser didn't see as sharp a drop, and that was against EXTREMELY stiff competition with DWTS and the two huge NCIS premieres. I don't think people are liking what they're seeing.. if they were, the drop wouldn't have been as significant.
Probably doesn't make a difference anyway... NBC will spin it as a huge success no matter what...
I hope that people will finally stop flouting how "old skewing" NCIS is and that it's a show for grannies and whatnot. People obviously love the show. Sure, not everybody's cup of tea but other shows would kill for those numbers. I'm really glad that both NCIS and NCIS:LA did so well!
I agree about The Good Wife and it reminded me a lot of her last show on FOX (Canterbury something..). The show is good but I never thought it would have the mass appeal but I am hopeful to be wrong because I enjoyed the original pilot.
The original Melrose Place's first year was a failure as well. Only after Heather came on board did the ratings pop. Not sure if lightning can strike twice, but they will get another sampling when Heather joins.
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Originally posted by Obveeus: All around good news for CBS. I think NCIS:LA can do as well as The Mentalist did last year, but I think that The Good Wife will drop to non-renewal levels.
Melrose Place looks like a failure. I doubt star power will save it, but I guess coming in as a late addition to a show you know will fail allows you to get your name out there without getting tied down long term, right Heather?
I agree - good numbers. But the percentage of 18-49 folks to the total viewers is still much lower than on a typical FOX show like say Hell's Kitchen. I can't get grandma to watch Hell's Kitchen yet.
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Originally posted by curious: I hope that people will finally stop flouting how "old skewing" NCIS is and that it's a show for grannies and whatnot. People obviously love the show. Sure, not everybody's cup of tea but other shows would kill for those numbers. I'm really glad that both NCIS and NCIS:LA did so well!
Originally posted by Marc Berman: On ABC, another two-hour edition of Dancing With the Stars certainly did not disappoint with an average 15.18 million viewers and a 3.5/10 among adults 18-49 from 8-10 p.m. But compared to the year-ago 9-11 p.m. telecast (Viewers: 18.30 million, A18-49: 4.7/12 on Sept. 23, 2008), this was a decline of 3.12 million viewers and 26 percent among adults 18-49. Here is the half-hour breakdown:
26% year to year is certainly not disappointing? That's pretty doggone hefty.
I didn't like TGW as much as I was hoping but will try it again. I would call the premiere ratings somewhat disappointing based on how huge NCIS:LA opened, but too early to say either way for sure.
This may be a night where Leno can occasionally contend for a demo title. He was close-ish last night against two series premieres.
I don't necessarily think The Forgotten is necessarily gonna be better than Castle yet. Castle has a loyal fanbase and a small season under it's belt, whereas The Forgotten has nothing. So I think we need to wait a few weeks to see which one "needs to go." But I do, however, feel, that Castle should be saved before The Forgotten.
Any chance that My Network TV out performed Melrose Place, in total viewers, last Night?
How low can MP go? It is already down to the Levels of JAIL and Street Patrol repeats.
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ast, and very least, was The CW’s combination of 90210 (Viewers: 2.17 million, A18-49: 1.1/ 3) and Melrose Place (Viewers: 1.45 million, A18-49: 0.8/ 2), which declined by year-ago time period levels as follows:
Originally posted by xwiseguyx: I agree - good numbers. But the percentage of 18-49 folks to the total viewers is still much lower than on a typical FOX show like say Hell's Kitchen. I can't get grandma to watch Hell's Kitchen yet.
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Originally posted by curious: I hope that people will finally stop flouting how "old skewing" NCIS is and that it's a show for grannies and whatnot. People obviously love the show. Sure, not everybody's cup of tea but other shows would kill for those numbers. I'm really glad that both NCIS and NCIS:LA did so well!
True about the percentage - but calling a show that goes up from 4.4 to 4.8 in demo at 8.30pm "old skewing" is ridiculous, to be honest. But people who dislike it will always find a flaw, I guess... I will keep on living in my happy NCIS bubble.
Originally posted by A.C.: People do like their NCIS don't they.
It's going to get the point where that running gag of people on the show not knowing what NCIS is, and confusing them with CSI is going to get impossible to sustain. Though I guess they could say nobody's showing "NCIS" in NCIS-land.
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ABC...you've got good BUZZ with the "V" remake-
There's that WORD again!
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please-please don't squander the series by putting it up against NCIS in a couple months!
Originally posted by meggie: I liked The Forgotten, but I have to admit to a weakness for Christian Slater, so I'm not all that objective.
No strong opinions about anybody in the cast here, I'd say it was a decent production, and potentially this forgotten person concept could be compelling if plied right, but I didn't see anything that would get it over the hump over the long haul with the ABC audience.
My guess is that fans of shows like Cold Case and Without a Trace will not find this, and if they did, perhaps not identify with the younger slanting cast. And although I generally have been critical of the tendency in this forum to say shows are on the wrong network, the old saying is that if you can't beat em, join em, so I will say ABC is really one of the worst places for this to be, better, say, Fox.
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I don't necessarily think The Forgotten is necessarily gonna be better than Castle yet.
It's better than Castle simply by virtue of not having Nathan Fillion in it.
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Castle has a loyal fanbase
So does every other show in existence. But clearly Castle's fanbase doesn't compose the majority of its audience, as is the case with most other network shows (with the possible exception of Lost, and only lately).
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and a small season under it's belt,
Yes, and the ratings for this week's premiere failed to equal the ratings for last season's finale, which means it's trending in the wrong direction.
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whereas The Forgotten has nothing.
So shows you don't like don't deserve a chance to find an audience, while shows you DO like should get an infinite number of chances. Gotcha.
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So I think we need to wait a few weeks to see which one "needs to go." But I do, however, feel, that Castle should be saved before The Forgotten.
Wow at NCIS! It's amazing that several seasons in, the show is still building audience. Clearly, it does skew older, but it still won in the 18-49 demo. The numbers for NCIS:LA are really no surprise -- if it's anywhere as good as the parent show, it'll hold its audience.
I wonder if part of the reason for the huge CBS numbers had to do with the competition being two hour reality shows on NBC, ABC, and FOX this week? CBS was the only scripted option other than CW -- but I'm guessing there is zero overlap in audience between NCIS and 90210/Melrose Place
I caught a few minutes of Leno last night. Pee Wee Herman was doing a pretty un-funny comedy bit... that's not good for week 2 of a show that's such a big part of NBC's plan right now.
I will keep on living in my happy NCIS bubble.
