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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
I disagree. Aside from Cavemen and Carpoolers, ABC's is more likely to succeed. CBS' don't fit their crowd. They better get an influx of lots of non-CBS viewers otherwise they'll be competing with NBC in the demo (at least in the fall).

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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
No way Mushu - CBS has the best new lineup! Cane, Moonlight, Big Bang and of course Viva Laughlin are excellent choices for the fall season.

Moonlight fits well with Ghost Whisperer, Big Bang is an OK fit with the Monday lineup, Cain should be good although I don't like the timeslot, and VL I have no defense for.

Admittedly the ABC dramas look the best of any net, But they keep trying and failing with the single camera comedies. They're 0-for in that department and yet, 3 more on the fall schedule.

Well, this is turning into: "NETWORK BATTLE, FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN!" Golly!

quote:

Originally posted by mushu_jj:
I disagree. Aside from Cavemen and Carpoolers, ABC's is more likely to succeed. CBS' don't fit their crowd. They better get an influx of lots of non-CBS viewers otherwise they'll be competing with NBC in the demo (at least in the fall).

quote:

Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
No way Mushu - CBS has the best new lineup! Cane, Moonlight, Big Bang and of course Viva Laughlin are excellent choices for the fall season.

quote:

Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Oh Justin, just admit it. CBS is sinking. Their programs are starting to age and quite frankly a 16 % drop is pretty significant. CBS needs a new hit drama and a new hit comedy, but none of their new shows are guaranteed to make it in any way shape or form. I think they're on their way to becoming NBC's rival in the demo.

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Originally posted by Justin:
Oh wow, have a cow!!! GEEZZ!

quote:

Originally posted by raes:
The -8% is a typo. It's actually -18, almost -19%. What, you think a low rated Sunday movie actually decreased CBS year to year loss?

Talking about the difference of .6 between 3.0 and 3.6 in the first three networks' demo, will any media buyers care much? Granted it's a 16% difference, but how many million viewers does it represent? Would other more narrow demo numbers be more important in such a close field, and if so, what are those demos? Or do they only look at individual shows, not the network as a whole?

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Originally posted by Justin

CBS was at -16, now is at -8!

quote:

Originally posted by dumont:
FOX Maintains 0.1 A18-49 Lead After 25 Days of the May Sweep:

2007 A18-49 vs first 25 nights 2006 A18-49
(results weighted for extra hour on Sundays)

1. FOX 3.6 vs 4.2 (-14%)
2. ABC 3.5 vs 3.3 (+6%)
3. CBS 3.0 vs 3.7 (-8%)
4. NBC 2.3 vs 3.2 (-28%)
5. CW 1.3 vs. 1.2 (+8% to The WB)
6. MNT 0.4 vs 1.2 (-67% from UPN, first 22 nights only)
TOTAL 6 NETS: 14.0 vs. 16.6 (-16%)

FOX continues to hold on to first place by a slim 0.1 lead over ABC in A18-49 after 25 days of the May Sweep.

ABC and The CW are the only two broadcast networks to show year-over-year improvement in both A18-49 after 25 days of the May Sweep.

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Originally posted by Justin:
Well, this is turning into: "NETWORK BATTLE, FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN!" Golly!

The NBC representatives are noticeably absent.

I think Sam I Am will do well. It looks like a single camera comedy that will fit with ABC's image and Notes from the Underbelly is a good pairing. I think with Dancing as the lead in, it will do just fine. As for CBS, since Dancing will once again be on Monday, expect more struggling for HIMYM and therefore, Big Bang is likely to struggle. Cane is in a death slot. I want it to succeed, but I'm not sure it will. Moonlighting will be an uphill battle as vampires are not such a mass appealing thing. While I'm with x and will check out Viva Laughlin, I highly doubt it lasts past a month or two.

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Originally posted by tvfan300:

quote:

Originally posted by mushu_jj:
I disagree. Aside from Cavemen and Carpoolers, ABC's is more likely to succeed. CBS' don't fit their crowd. They better get an influx of lots of non-CBS viewers otherwise they'll be competing with NBC in the demo (at least in the fall).

quote:

Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
No way Mushu - CBS has the best new lineup! Cane, Moonlight, Big Bang and of course Viva Laughlin are excellent choices for the fall season.

Moonlight fits well with Ghost Whisperer, Big Bang is an OK fit with the Monday lineup, Cain should be good although I don't like the timeslot, and VL I have no defense for.

Admittedly the ABC dramas look the best of any net, But they keep trying and failing with the single camera comedies. They're 0-for in that department and yet, 3 more on the fall schedule.

Ironicially, so are the CW's.

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Originally posted by tvfan300:

quote:

Originally posted by Justin:
Well, this is turning into: "NETWORK BATTLE, FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN!" Golly!

The NBC representatives are noticeably absent.

Shhhhhhh! Don't wake them up.

quote:

Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Ironicially, so are the CW's.

quote:

Originally posted by tvfan300:

quote:

Originally posted by Justin:
Well, this is turning into: "NETWORK BATTLE, FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN!" Golly!

The NBC representatives are noticeably absent.

I think ABC will stray from repeats in many timeslots next year. Dancing will almost guarantte a repeat free timeslot on Monday and Tuesday. So will the Bachelor/October Road 10pm slot. Lost will be waiting in the wings for 16 uninterrupted episodes. ABC is reportedly waiting until mid-October to launch the new Friday night, meaning Men in Trees will air very few repeats. They also have Oprah sitting there to fill in for Cavemen and Carpoolers after they fail in about a month or less. Ditto for Supernanny and whatever becomes a hit this summer.

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Originally posted by tvfan300:

quote:

Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Oh Justin, just admit it. CBS is sinking. Their programs are starting to age and quite frankly a 16 % drop is pretty significant. CBS needs a new hit drama and a new hit comedy, but none of their new shows are guaranteed to make it in any way shape or form. I think they're on their way to becoming NBC's rival in the demo.

In spite of my newly found avatar, I have to disagree. NBC is in a league of their own at this point. CBS will still finish in 2nd for the season (even though they had the Super Bowl it will still be close), but until ABC finds programs that repeat well, they will not be able to pull away from CBS (I do think they will finish 2nd next season) and challenge FOX for first.

I'm also surprised Dumont's not here elequently pushing up MNTV and their theatricals.

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Originally posted by tvfan300:
Shhhhhhh! Don't wake them up.

quote:

Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Ironicially, so are the CW's.

quote:

Originally posted by tvfan300:

quote:

Originally posted by Justin:
Well, this is turning into: "NETWORK BATTLE, FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN!" Golly!

The NBC representatives are noticeably absent.

Any line-up that includes CANE is not the best line-up.

JMHO.

And Cavemen and Carpoolers are true stinkers. ABC had better put all its eggs in promoting the Wednesday night dramas because it would be utterly pointless to make the Tuesday 8pm comedies anything more than an afterthought.

quote:

Originally posted by mushu_jj:
I disagree. Aside from Cavemen and Carpoolers, ABC's is more likely to succeed. CBS' don't fit their crowd. They better get an influx of lots of non-CBS viewers otherwise they'll be competing with NBC in the demo (at least in the fall).

quote:

Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
No way Mushu - CBS has the best new lineup! Cane, Moonlight, Big Bang and of course Viva Laughlin are excellent choices for the fall season.

quote:

Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Oh Justin, just admit it. CBS is sinking. Their programs are starting to age and quite frankly a 16 % drop is pretty significant. CBS needs a new hit drama and a new hit comedy, but none of their new shows are guaranteed to make it in any way shape or form. I think they're on their way to becoming NBC's rival in the demo.

quote:

Originally posted by Justin:
Oh wow, have a cow!!! GEEZZ!

quote:

Originally posted by raes:
The -8% is a typo. It's actually -18, almost -19%. What, you think a low rated Sunday movie actually decreased CBS year to year loss?

Talking about the difference of .6 between 3.0 and 3.6 in the first three networks' demo, will any media buyers care much? Granted it's a 16% difference, but how many million viewers does it represent? Would other more narrow demo numbers be more important in such a close field, and if so, what are those demos? Or do they only look at individual shows, not the network as a whole?

quote:

Originally posted by Justin

CBS was at -16, now is at -8!

quote:

Originally posted by dumont:
FOX Maintains 0.1 A18-49 Lead After 25 Days of the May Sweep:

2007 A18-49 vs first 25 nights 2006 A18-49
(results weighted for extra hour on Sundays)

1. FOX 3.6 vs 4.2 (-14%)
2. ABC 3.5 vs 3.3 (+6%)
3. CBS 3.0 vs 3.7 (-8%)
4. NBC 2.3 vs 3.2 (-28%)
5. CW 1.3 vs. 1.2 (+8% to The WB)
6. MNT 0.4 vs 1.2 (-67% from UPN, first 22 nights only)
TOTAL 6 NETS: 14.0 vs. 16.6 (-16%)

FOX continues to hold on to first place by a slim 0.1 lead over ABC in A18-49 after 25 days of the May Sweep.

ABC and The CW are the only two broadcast networks to show year-over-year improvement in both A18-49 after 25 days of the May Sweep.

quote:

Originally posted by TravisYanan:
Any line-up that includes CANE is not the best line-up.

Common, Travis. Why don't you like Cane? I agree that it is a terrible title but is it really that bad?

Perhaps they should just go ahead and move Dancing to 8pm and launch Cashmere Mafia right away in the fall. Then use Oprah as the lead in after Dancing is done.

quote:

Originally posted by TravisYanan:
Any line-up that includes CANE is not the best line-up.

JMHO.

And Cavemen and Carpoolers are true stinkers. ABC had better put all its eggs in promoting the Wednesday night dramas because it would be utterly pointless to make the Tuesday 8pm comedies anything more than an afterthought.

quote:

Originally posted by mushu_jj:
I disagree. Aside from Cavemen and Carpoolers, ABC's is more likely to succeed. CBS' don't fit their crowd. They better get an influx of lots of non-CBS viewers otherwise they'll be competing with NBC in the demo (at least in the fall).

quote:

Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
No way Mushu - CBS has the best new lineup! Cane, Moonlight, Big Bang and of course Viva Laughlin are excellent choices for the fall season.

quote:

Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Oh Justin, just admit it. CBS is sinking. Their programs are starting to age and quite frankly a 16 % drop is pretty significant. CBS needs a new hit drama and a new hit comedy, but none of their new shows are guaranteed to make it in any way shape or form. I think they're on their way to becoming NBC's rival in the demo.

quote:

Originally posted by Justin:
Oh wow, have a cow!!! GEEZZ!

quote:

Originally posted by raes:
The -8% is a typo. It's actually -18, almost -19%. What, you think a low rated Sunday movie actually decreased CBS year to year loss?

Talking about the difference of .6 between 3.0 and 3.6 in the first three networks' demo, will any media buyers care much? Granted it's a 16% difference, but how many million viewers does it represent? Would other more narrow demo numbers be more important in such a close field, and if so, what are those demos? Or do they only look at individual shows, not the network as a whole?

quote:

Originally posted by Justin

CBS was at -16, now is at -8!

quote:

Originally posted by dumont:
FOX Maintains 0.1 A18-49 Lead After 25 Days of the May Sweep:

2007 A18-49 vs first 25 nights 2006 A18-49
(results weighted for extra hour on Sundays)

1. FOX 3.6 vs 4.2 (-14%)
2. ABC 3.5 vs 3.3 (+6%)
3. CBS 3.0 vs 3.7 (-8%)
4. NBC 2.3 vs 3.2 (-28%)
5. CW 1.3 vs. 1.2 (+8% to The WB)
6. MNT 0.4 vs 1.2 (-67% from UPN, first 22 nights only)
TOTAL 6 NETS: 14.0 vs. 16.6 (-16%)

FOX continues to hold on to first place by a slim 0.1 lead over ABC in A18-49 after 25 days of the May Sweep.

ABC and The CW are the only two broadcast networks to show year-over-year improvement in both A18-49 after 25 days of the May Sweep.

why don't i like it?

because i saw it.

it's not as bad/unwatchable as swingtown, but there's the problem if it not being interesting. it never gave me a reason to give a flying nun. it's tedious, drawn out, coincidental... need i go on?

quote:

Originally posted by tvfan300:

quote:

Originally posted by TravisYanan:
Any line-up that includes CANE is not the best line-up.

Common, Travis. Why don't you like Cane? I agree that it is a terrible title but is it really that bad?

quote:

Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Perhaps they should just go ahead and move Dancing to 8pm and launch Cashmere Mafia right away in the fall. Then use Oprah as the lead in after Dancing is done.

That may happen after the first week of Caveman/Carpoolers. I might have to watch the first ep of Caveman just to see how bad it is.

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launch Cashmere Mafia right away

As Cashmere is not as good as Lipstick (JMHO, natch), ABC would be really, really wise to get their show out of the gate first.

All right. Just went out of your way to pick on that show. That last paragraph sounds like a description of October Road.

quote:

Originally posted by TravisYanan:
why don't i like it?

because i saw it.

it's not as bad/unwatchable as swingtown, but there's the problem if it not being interesting. it never gave me a reason to give a flying nun. it's tedious, drawn out, coincidental... need i go on?

quote:

Originally posted by tvfan300:

quote:

Originally posted by TravisYanan:
Any line-up that includes CANE is not the best line-up.

Common, Travis. Why don't you like Cane? I agree that it is a terrible title but is it really that bad?