Originally posted by Marc Berman: It's not bad for CSI, but it could hurt ER. And I hate when the networks play around with the length of the shows. Obviously, ABC is trying to get more mileage out of Grey's Anatomy, but all you really get is more commercials.
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Originally posted by Jair27: Marc ¿Why the next Thursday Greys Anatomy, finish in 10:10 PM.?
This is Bad For CSI or ER?.
But DOND has two hours next Thursday ...is a good Lead-in for ER".
Welcome aboard Squizz44. NBC's The Office was respectable at 8.43 million viewers and a 4.2 rating/10 share among adults 18-49, but 30 Rock sunk to just 5.19 million viewers and a 2.4/ 6 in the demo.
Originally posted by vlis: Genie's stay is pretty much over.
Lisa, abc daytine has had the lead in the key demos for some time now. Here are the #'s for a week in August: Fringe Ratings Report: ABC Daytime Programming Week of August 21-25, 2006
ABC'S DRAMA AND FULL LINEUPS RANK NO. 1* FOR THE WEEK AND SEASON TO DATE AMONG WOMEN 18-49
ABC'S DRAMA LINEUP SHOWED THE MOST GROWTH OF ANY NETWORK VERSUS THE SAME WEEK LAST YEAR AMONG WOMEN 18-34
"GENERAL HOSPITAL" AND "ONE LIFE TO LIVE" TIE FOR THE NO. 1 DRAMA FOR THE WEEK AMONG FEMALE TEENS
ABC IS THE ONLY NETWORK TO POST GROWTH IN BOTH THE DRAMA AND FULL LINEUPS VERSUS LAST WEEK AMONG FEMALE TEENS
ABC POSTED THE MOST GROWTH OF ANY NETWORK IN BOTH ITS FULL AND DRAMA LINEUPS VERSUS LAST YEAR AMONG FEMALE TEENS
"GENERAL HOSPITAL" OUTPERFORMED ITS TIME PERIOD COMPETITOR, CBS' "GUIDING LIGHT," BY 59% AMONG WOMEN 18-49 FOR THE WEEK AND BY 58% SEASON TO DATE
"ONE LIFE TO LIVE" OUTPERFORMED ITS TIME PERIOD COMPETITOR, CBS' "AS THE WORLD TURNS," BY 34% AMONG WOMEN 18-49 FOR THE WEEK AND BY 36% SEASON TO DATE
ABC WINS THE COMMON 1-3PM LIVE TIME PERIOD (THE ONLY TWO HOURS NBC PROGRAMS) THIS WEEK, BEATING CBS BY 3% AND NBC BY 8% AMONG WOMEN 18-49
Week of August 21-25, 2006
ABC's daytime Drama lineup was No. 1 for the week among Women 18-49 with a 1.7 rating and an 11 share, delivering 1.1 million Women 18-49 for the week of August 21, 2006. The lineup outperformed NBC and CBS by 11% among Women 18-49. Among Women 18-34, the lineup was up 5% vs. the same week last year (most growth of any network). Among Female Teens, ABC's drama lineup was up 26% vs. last week (the only network to post growth) and 13% vs. the same week last year (most growth of any network).
ABC's Full daytime schedule was No. 1* among Women 18-49, with a 1.5 rating (* tied with NBC) and a 10 share, delivering an average audience of one million Women 18-49. The lineup outperformed CBS by 4% among Women 18-49. Among Female Teens, the lineup was up 23% vs. last week (the only network to post growth) and 17% vs. the same week last year (most growth of any network). In the 1-3pm live time period (the only two hours NBC programs), ABC was No. 1* with a 1.6 rating (* tied with CBS) and an 11 share - delivering 1.1 million Women 18-49 and outperforming NBC by 8% and CBS by 3%.
ABC had three of the top five shows among Women 18-49:
* In a week of encore performances, "The View" delivered a 1.0 rating and a 7 share, with an average audience of 630,000 Women 18-49. Among Female Teens, "The View" was up 8% versus the prior week and 133% versus the same week last year.
* "General Hospital" was the No. 2-ranked program of the week, with a 1.8 rating and an 11 share, delivering 1.2 Women 18-49. The drama beat "Days of our Lives" by 1% among Women 18-49. Also, "General Hospital" outdelivered its time period rival, "Guiding Light," by 59% for the week and is outdelivering the drama by 58% season to date among Women 18-49. Among Women 18-34, the drama was up 11% versus the same week last year (most growth of any program). Among Female Teens, "GH" was the no. 1 ranked drama for the week (tied with "One Live to Live" and "Days of our Lives.") "GH" was up 23% versus last week and 40% versus the same week last year among Female Teens.
* "One Life to Live" was the No. 3*-ranked program of the week, with a 1.7 rating (* tied with "Days of Our Lives") and an 11 share, delivering 1.1 million Women 18-49. "OLTL" outperformed time period competitors "As the World Turns" by 34% and "Passions" by 36% for the week. For the season, the drama is outperforming "As the World Turns" by 36% and "Passions" by 31% among Women 18-49. Among Women 18-34, the drama was up 8% versus the same week last year. Among Female Teens, "OLTL" was the No. 1 ranked drama for the week (tied with "General Hospital" and "Days of our Lives.") Also, the drama was up 37% versus the prior week among Female Teens.
* "All My Children" was the No. 5*-ranked program, with a 1.5 rating (* tied with "Bold And the Beautiful") and a 10 share, delivering one million Women 18-49. "AMC" was up 5% versus the prior week. Among Female Teens, the drama was up 15% versus last week and 11% versus the same week last year.
Season to date, ABC Daytime's drama lineup ranks No. 1, with a 1.8 rating and an 11 share, delivering 1.2 million Women 18-49 - outperforming CBS by 18% and NBC by 14% in actuals. In the Full lineup, ABC Daytime is No. 1, with a 1.7 rating and an 11 share, delivering 1.1 million Women 18-49, outperforming CBS by 14% and NBC by 6% in actuals.
Following are the Daytime drama and full Daytime ratings averages for the week:
DAYTIME DRAMAS: TOTAL VIEWERS WOMEN 18-49 No. 1 CBS 3.980,000 No. 1 ABC 1.7/11 No. 2 ABC 3,133,000 No. 2 NBC 1.5/10 No. 3 NBC 2,511,000 No. 2 CBS 1.5/10
FULL DAYTI: TOTAL VIEWERS WOMEN 18-49 No. 1 CBS 4,260,000 No. 1 ABC 1.5/10 No. 2 ABC 2,894,000 No. 1 NBC 1.5/10 No. 3 NBC 2,511,000 No. 3 CBS 1.4/10
As far as quality for GH, the emmy's speak for themselves. They have won for best show 5 times since 97 including the last 2 years.
Daytime Emmys
Show 2006 "Outstanding Drama Series" 2005 "Outstanding Drama Series" 2000 "Outstanding Drama Series" 1999 "Outstanding Drama Series" 1997 "Outstanding Drama Series"
I know that the ABC line-up, particularly the demos, had significant drop offs this summer, no matter what spin ABC is trying to put on it. I also know that Y & R and B&B's ratings have remained steady, ATWT's ratings I believe have gone up, and Days has made some improvement, while GH has dropped significantly, as well as ABC daytime as a whole.
As far as Emmys go, receiving a daytime Emmys ceased to prove anything when Natalia Livingstone won for best supporting actress on GH and a few years earlier and the girl sounds like she's reading lines off a cue card and does not emote and has the worst acting tics ever. GH won those Emmys because they slapped together some clips that looked good for the voting academy to vote on, because the voters don't watch every episode or even a lot of episode. The show puts together a couple of shows to be voted on and they just happened to have a few good ones. Just because they can put together a few good shows to submit for emmys doesn't speak for the quality of the show, because 11 months out of the year the show is a complete mess. They write for plot points, not characters, and retcon things from one month to the next, and destroy characters to prop a few of the writers chosen favorites. The show is a complete mess right now and I would bet money that when Genie leaves, the ratings will drop back down to where they were before her return was announced, which was hovering around 2.3/2.4.
Originally posted by Lisa Mikol: Zedman2--I am aware of all that, but GH (as well as all ABC soaps) experienced a big drop this summer in ratings that continued until Genie's return was announced. It was after her return was announced in September (which I believe is around when they consider the season starting) that their ratings started going back up again. Right now I think GH is the only one of ABC's soaps that is up as well (and again, that's only been since the announcement and then return of Genie Francis). OLTL and AMC are now being beaten by Guiding Light and the only soap they are beating is Passions, whereas before they were beating Guiding Light and a few other shows as well.
Pull up some ratings from early September and prior to that and you will see what I'm talking about. The only reason ABC daytime is up right now is due to Genie Francis returning and the press they are getting for that (because ABC sure didn't promote it all that well). Once she leaves, I am sure we will see their ratings drop again. During the summer, ABC's entire daytime line-up fell in the demos and they were being beaten by CBS's line-up. I think NBC even beat them for a week or more, pushing ABC's line up to #3.
Until the week of July 17-21 2006, ABC's soap lineup was number one for 79 straight weeks in the demo. Since the streak ended they have been number one or number two in the demo by one or two tenths of a point. Comparatively, all ratings are down for all three networks in daytime vrs prior years but Genie Francis return isn't driving ABC's numbers as they are consistently number one.
Prior to Genie's return being announced, GH's overall ratings had dropped to where they were getting 2.3 to 2.5 and had fallen to #3 in the 18-49 year old demo. This occurred after the summer of sleaze. Also, while all soaps are down from what they once were (which is not entirely because of cable tv and women working, but also because the quality of soaps isn't as good as it used to be, mostly with the writing), most of the other soaps have remained steady in the ratings this past year while all ABC soaps are down this year.
Originally posted by Marc Berman: That's it for Genie? Too bad!
Tell me about it. The thing is, Genie wants to stay on, but TIIC of GH do not feel there is room for her on the show. She's an icon and her character helped save GH from cancellation in the 70s, so it's very idiotic that she isn't being offered whatever she wants to stay.
Not sure how you can say the show is a complete mess.....there has been some great stuff...drama and comedy all rolled into one.
-I think some of the good points have been: -Alexis cancer story -Lucky's drug addiction/relationship with Maxie -the whole Luke/Tracy relationship -Sonny/Carly/Jax -Jason/Sam -Robin/Patrick
As I said in an earlier post, 5 episodes a week, 52 weeks a year, there are bound to be some ups/downs. Guza does a fine job with the writing.
As for your comment on the emmys, I guess Y&R and the others could not even pull together a clip from their hours of 'great' television!
Originally posted by vlis: Not sure how you can say the show is a complete mess.....there has been some great stuff...drama and comedy all rolled into one.
-I think some of the good points have been: -Alexis cancer story -Lucky's drug addiction/relationship with Maxie -the whole Luke/Tracy relationship -Sonny/Carly/Jax -Jason/Sam -Robin/Patrick
As I said in an earlier post, 5 episodes a week, 52 weeks a year, there are bound to be some ups/downs. Guza does a fine job with the writing.
As for your comment on the emmys, I guess Y&R and the others could not even pull together a clip from their hours of 'great' television!
Alexis' cancer story has been more about Sam and very little about Alexis. While Lucky's drug addiction story has gotton slightly better, it was poorly executed and very unrealistic in the way it was written. It was also very much rushed in the beginning and inserting Jason into this storyline made the entire thing lead to showing how terrible Lucky is compared to Jason's "can do no wrong" greatness. The Sonny/Carly/Jax stuff is horrible. Jason and Sam are horrible and boring and repetitive. Robin and Patrick are hardly ever on and barely get any screen time.
I think Guza is a terrible writer. In his tenure, he has destroyed many long term characters by writing for his plot points and to prop his favorites and keep his "Sopranos-lite" going with his mobsters and particularly his golden boy Jason as good guys while portraying the cops and DAs as corrupt and inept. He focuses on only a few characters who have not been off the frontburner for years. Every story has to involve Sonny, Carly or Jason in some way shape or form. This summer it was Carly in every story. Now it's Sonny. Both are written as loathesome characters who we are told constantly about how wonderful they are when their actions say otherwise. And they are forced upon us. I don't watch Y&R and have stopped watching the other ABC soaps, but GH does manage to only put a couple of good episodes together a year for emmy clips and the rest of the year is pretty much crap, and they have been called on this by many in the soap press.
