You could be right, Gator. But since Fox gave 'Til Death a full season order, maybe it will find its niche. And maybe Brad and Jolie will lighten up!
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: Now that Fox has given ‘Til Death a vote of confidence, how about axing Sunday’s sophomore The War at Home and positioning the more worthy ‘Til Death out of Family Guy?
Marc, I don't agree at all. Family Guy needs to be followed up with another animated show or something like Malcolm in the Middle was the first season or two. I can't imagine Family guy viewers want to watch a bitter, old couple and hopeful young couple argue in painfully unfunny ways. Obviously, that's my humble opinion.
I thought Brad was hilarious on Raymond because he was clearly the least favorite/least appreciated son, so he was justified in lashing out. Lashing out in 'Til Death is just ugly.
Keep in mind that viewers also now can catch the abc soaps on sister soap SOAPNET. That day's soap airs the same night and also rerun all weekend. I'd be curious to know how many viewers amc, oltl and gh actually have after all the airings. Clearly, this has had to of had an impact on the original airing.
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: Hi CouchTomato:
No...I wouldn't worry too much about ABC's soaps. The other networks are also feeling the erosion in daytime and I doubt ABC will do anything drastic. As for yesterday's GH event (which could have done better), here is the results:
-Luke & Laura Still Pack a Ratings Punch: Based on the fast nationals, ABC’s General Hospital, featuring the 25th reunion of Anthony “Luke” Geary and Genie “Laura” Francis rose to 4.0 total million viewers on Thursday, Nov. 16. Comparably, that was General Hospital’s biggest audience since June 2006. It was also the No. 1 daytime show for the week among women 18-49 (1.30 million: up 11 percent from its season to-date average) and female teens (71,000: up 53 percent).
Lisa, not sure where you get your info but abc is #1 in the key demo (week ending 11/5):
DAYTIME DRAMAS: WOMEN 18-49 No. 1 ABC 1.6/10 No. 2 NBC 1.5/9 No. 3 CBS 1.4/9
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Originally posted by Lisa Mikol:
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: Hi CouchTomato:
No...I wouldn't worry too much about ABC's soaps. The other networks are also feeling the erosion in daytime and I doubt ABC will do anything drastic. As for yesterday's GH event (which could have done better), here is the results:
-Luke & Laura Still Pack a Ratings Punch: Based on the fast nationals, ABC’s General Hospital, featuring the 25th reunion of Anthony “Luke” Geary and Genie “Laura” Francis rose to 4.0 total million viewers on Thursday, Nov. 16. Comparably, that was General Hospital’s biggest audience since June 2006. It was also the No. 1 daytime show for the week among women 18-49 (1.30 million: up 11 percent from its season to-date average) and female teens (71,000: up 53 percent).
Thanks, Marc. I appreciate you getting those numbers.
As far as the daytime erosion, I think the quality of daytime shows has deteriorated quite a bit, but ABC's line up in particular has deteriorated in quality. ABC soaps used to be at the top of the ratings. The last few weeks the only show AMC and OLTL are now beating is Passions, and if it wasn't for Genie Francis' return, GH would be down there with them. I think they need to get rid of Brian Frons, as his micromanaging of ABC soaps has seriously hurt them and ABC has seen a huge erosion of their shows since he began his tenure. They also need to replace the current head writer of GH, as a lot of fans have been gradually tuning out due to his character and couple destruction and lack of consistent writing and retconning or changing things constantly, whether they happened twenty years ago or twenty minutes ago. GH is just a mess right now, as all of ABC's soaps are, and they need some major changes or soaps will die out soon.
I dont think an animated series necessarily has to follow Family Guy to succeed, but its got to be a show that at least appeals to the sensibility of the Family Guy audience -- that is a unique, slightly twisted and off-the-wall show. A traditional (and crappy) sitcom will not fill that bill. If they are to fill the slot with animation, they should simply return King of the Hill to the slot following the Simpsons and move American Dad (which I do not love) behind Family Guy.
But any move to get The War at Home of the air is a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. It is appallingly bad. Til Death is only bad.
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Marc, I don't agree at all. Family Guy needs to be followed up with another animated show or something like Malcolm in the Middle was the first season or two. I can't imagine Family guy viewers want to watch a bitter, old couple and hopeful young couple argue in painfully unfunny ways. Obviously, that's my humble opinion.
I thought Brad was hilarious on Raymond because he was clearly the least favorite/least appreciated son, so he was justified in lashing out. Lashing out in 'Til Death is just ugly.
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Originally posted by vlis: Lisa, not sure where you get your info but abc is #1 in the key demo (week ending 11/5):
DAYTIME DRAMAS: WOMEN 18-49 No. 1 ABC 1.6/10 No. 2 NBC 1.5/9 No. 3 CBS 1.4/9
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Originally posted by Lisa Mikol:
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: Hi CouchTomato:
No...I wouldn't worry too much about ABC's soaps. The other networks are also feeling the erosion in daytime and I doubt ABC will do anything drastic. As for yesterday's GH event (which could have done better), here is the results:
-Luke & Laura Still Pack a Ratings Punch: Based on the fast nationals, ABC’s General Hospital, featuring the 25th reunion of Anthony “Luke” Geary and Genie “Laura” Francis rose to 4.0 total million viewers on Thursday, Nov. 16. Comparably, that was General Hospital’s biggest audience since June 2006. It was also the No. 1 daytime show for the week among women 18-49 (1.30 million: up 11 percent from its season to-date average) and female teens (71,000: up 53 percent).
Thanks, Marc. I appreciate you getting those numbers.
As far as the daytime erosion, I think the quality of daytime shows has deteriorated quite a bit, but ABC's line up in particular has deteriorated in quality. ABC soaps used to be at the top of the ratings. The last few weeks the only show AMC and OLTL are now beating is Passions, and if it wasn't for Genie Francis' return, GH would be down there with them. I think they need to get rid of Brian Frons, as his micromanaging of ABC soaps has seriously hurt them and ABC has seen a huge erosion of their shows since he began his tenure. They also need to replace the current head writer of GH, as a lot of fans have been gradually tuning out due to his character and couple destruction and lack of consistent writing and retconning or changing things constantly, whether they happened twenty years ago or twenty minutes ago. GH is just a mess right now, as all of ABC's soaps are, and they need some major changes or soaps will die out soon.
Thanks again, Marc.
Since Genie Francis' return, ABC has been back up in key demos, but prior to her return, it had slipped quite a bit. GH was down to the #5 spot for awhile and OLTL and AMC were below that. It's only been since Genie has been back that the ABC soap line up has been back up winning in those demos overall and GH taking #1 in the 18-49 year old. CBS soaps were beating the ABC line up for awhile. But I'm sure once Genie goes, the ABC line up will slip back down again, as well as GH alone.
Originally posted by vlis: Keep in mind that viewers also now can catch the abc soaps on sister soap SOAPNET. That day's soap airs the same night and also rerun all weekend. I'd be curious to know how many viewers amc, oltl and gh actually have after all the airings. Clearly, this has had to of had an impact on the original airing.
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: Hi CouchTomato:
No...I wouldn't worry too much about ABC's soaps. The other networks are also feeling the erosion in daytime and I doubt ABC will do anything drastic. As for yesterday's GH event (which could have done better), here is the results:
-Luke & Laura Still Pack a Ratings Punch: Based on the fast nationals, ABC’s General Hospital, featuring the 25th reunion of Anthony “Luke” Geary and Genie “Laura” Francis rose to 4.0 total million viewers on Thursday, Nov. 16. Comparably, that was General Hospital’s biggest audience since June 2006. It was also the No. 1 daytime show for the week among women 18-49 (1.30 million: up 11 percent from its season to-date average) and female teens (71,000: up 53 percent).
Soapnet also shows the week's episodes of Young and the Restless and Days of Our Lives, and Young and the Restless has remained stable in the ratings, Days of Our Lives has gone up, while ABC soaps are all down in ratings.
Originally posted by vlis: Lisa, not sure where you get your info but abc is #1 in the key demo (week ending 11/5):
DAYTIME DRAMAS: WOMEN 18-49 No. 1 ABC 1.6/10 No. 2 NBC 1.5/9 No. 3 CBS 1.4/9
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Originally posted by Lisa Mikol:
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: Hi CouchTomato:
No...I wouldn't worry too much about ABC's soaps. The other networks are also feeling the erosion in daytime and I doubt ABC will do anything drastic. As for yesterday's GH event (which could have done better), here is the results:
-Luke & Laura Still Pack a Ratings Punch: Based on the fast nationals, ABC’s General Hospital, featuring the 25th reunion of Anthony “Luke” Geary and Genie “Laura” Francis rose to 4.0 total million viewers on Thursday, Nov. 16. Comparably, that was General Hospital’s biggest audience since June 2006. It was also the No. 1 daytime show for the week among women 18-49 (1.30 million: up 11 percent from its season to-date average) and female teens (71,000: up 53 percent).
Thanks, Marc. I appreciate you getting those numbers.
As far as the daytime erosion, I think the quality of daytime shows has deteriorated quite a bit, but ABC's line up in particular has deteriorated in quality. ABC soaps used to be at the top of the ratings. The last few weeks the only show AMC and OLTL are now beating is Passions, and if it wasn't for Genie Francis' return, GH would be down there with them. I think they need to get rid of Brian Frons, as his micromanaging of ABC soaps has seriously hurt them and ABC has seen a huge erosion of their shows since he began his tenure. They also need to replace the current head writer of GH, as a lot of fans have been gradually tuning out due to his character and couple destruction and lack of consistent writing and retconning or changing things constantly, whether they happened twenty years ago or twenty minutes ago. GH is just a mess right now, as all of ABC's soaps are, and they need some major changes or soaps will die out soon.
Thanks again, Marc.
Since Genie Francis' return, ABC has been back up in key demos, but prior to her return, it had slipped quite a bit. GH was down to the #5 spot for awhile and OLTL and AMC were below that. It's only been since Genie has been back that the ABC soap line up has been back up winning in those demos overall and GH taking #1 in the 18-49 year old. CBS soaps were beating the ABC line up for awhile. But I'm sure once Genie goes, the ABC line up will slip back down again, as well as GH alone.
Hi Lisa,
Here is ABC Rating press release for the week Nov 6-12 2006. Per the release they are number one YTD in the 18-49 demo and basically ratings changes in Daytime are glacier (takes a long time).
ABC Television Network PRESS RELEASE - ENTERTAINMENT - DAYTIME RATINGS
Fringe Ratings Report: ABC Daytime Programming LIVE +SD Week of November 6 - November 12, 2006
ABC'S FULL AND DRAMA LINEUPS RANK NO. 1 FOR THE WEEK AND FOR THE SEASON AMONG WOMEN 18-49
BOTH ABC'S FULL AND DRAMA LINEUP SHOW GROWTH WEEK TO WEEK AMONG WOMEN 18-49
THE VIEW POSTED MORE GROWTH THAN ANY OTHER DAYTIME PROGRAM VERSUS THE SAME WEEK LAST YEAR AMONG WOMEN 18-49 and WOMEN 18-34
FOR THE SIXTH STRAIGHT WEEK, THE VIEW RANKED IN THE TOP FIVE DAYTIME PROGRAMS AMONG WOMEN 18-49
GENERAL HOSPITAL IS UP WEEK TO WEEK IN TOTAL VIEWERS AND FEMALE TEENS
"GENERAL HOSPITAL" OUTPERFORMED ITS TIME PERIOD COMPETITOR, CBS' "GUIDING LIGHT," BY 55% AMONG WOMEN 18-49 FOR THE WEEK
"ONE LIFE TO LIVE" OUTPERFORMED ITS TIME PERIOD COMPETITOR, CBS' "AS THE WORLD TURNS," BY 35 % AMONG WOMEN 18-49
Week of November 6 - November 12, 2006
ABC's daytime Drama lineup was No. 1 for the week among Women 18-49 with a 1.7 rating and a 11 share, delivering 1.1 million Women 18-49 for the week of November 6, 2006. The lineup outperformed NBC by 9% and CBS by 17% among Women 18-49, and was up 5% vs. last week (most growth).
ABC's Full daytime schedule was No. 1 in among Women 18-49 with a 1.7 rating and an 11 share, delivering an average audience of 1.1 million Women 18-49. The lineup outperformed NBC by 7% and CBS by 17% among Women 18-49, and was up 4% vs. last week (most growth).
ABC had three of the top five shows among Women 18-49:
* "The View" was the No. 5*-ranked program of the week with a 1.6 rating an 11 share, delivering an average audience of 1 million Women 18-49. The talker is up 19% versus the same week last year (the most growth of any daytime program) and up 3% versus the prior week. The talker beat combined half-hours of "the Price is Right" by 20%, "As The World Turns" by 26%, "Guiding Light" by 28% and "Passions" by 17% among Women 18-49. Among Women 18-34, "The View" was up 15% vs. the same week last year and 11% vs. the prior week.
Among Total Viewers, "The View" delivered 1.2 rating and an 8 share, delivering 3.3 million Total Viewers for the week. The talker was up 13% versus the same week last year and up 1% versus the prior week.
* "General Hospital" was the No. 2-ranked program of the week with a 1.9 rating and a 12 share, delivering 1.3 million Women 18-49. Additionally, "General Hospital" outdelivered "Days of our Lives by 4% and its time period rival, "Guiding Light," by 55% for the week among Women 18-49. Among Female Teens, "GH" was up 16% versus last week. Among Total Viewers, "GH" is up 1% week to week.
* "One Life to Live" was the No. 4-ranked program of the week with a 1.7 rating and an 11 share, delivering 1.1 million Women 18-49. "OLTL" outperformed time period competitors "As the World Turns" by 35% and "Passions" by 25% for the week. "OLTL" is up 6% vs. the prior week. Among Women 18-34, "OLTL" is 2% vs. the prior week. Among Total Viewers, the drama is up 4% the prior week and 2% vs. same week last year.
* "All My Children" was the No. 6*-ranked program, with a 1.5 rating a 10 share, delivering one Million Women 18-49. "AMC" was up 10% vs. last week. Among Women 18-34, the drama was up 11% week to week. Among Total Viewers, "AMC" was up 2% week to week.
Season-to-date, ABC Daytime's drama lineup ranks No. 1, with a 1.7 rating and an 11 share, delivering 1.1 million Women 18-49 - outperforming CBS by 14% and NBC by 10% in actuals. In the Full lineup, ABC Daytime is No. 1 with a 1.7 rating and an 11 share, delivering 1.1 million Women 18-49, and is up 1% season to-date. The Full Lineup is outperforming CBS by 18% and NBC by 7% in actuals.
Following are the Daytime drama and full Daytime ratings averages for the week:
DAYTIME DRAMAS: TOTAL VIEWERS WOMEN 18-49 No. 1 CBS 4,100,000 No. 1 ABC 1.7/11 No. 2 ABC 3,207,000 No. 2 NBC 1.6/10 No. 3 NBC 2,505,000 No. 3 CBS 1.5/9
FULL DAYTIME: TOTAL VIEWERS WOMEN 18-49 No. 1 CBS 4,372,000 No. 1 ABC 1.7/11 No. 2 ABC 3,232,000 No. 2 NBC 1.6/10 No. 3 NBC 2,505,000 No. 2 CBS 1.4/9
*All information is based on Live + Same Day data.
**The following preemptions/interruptions were due to the press conference held by President Bush on 11/8: *AMC was preempted entirely. The View was rescheduled into the AMC time period in 12.49% NSI Coverage. *GH was interrupted in 52.526% NSI coverage due to special report. *OLTL was interrupted in Phoenix (1.549%), Denver (1.286%),Salt Lake City (0.754%), and Albuquerque (0.595%).
Zedman2--I am aware of all that, but GH (as well as all ABC soaps) experienced a big drop this summer in ratings that continued until Genie's return was announced. It was after her return was announced in September (which I believe is around when they consider the season starting) that their ratings started going back up again. Right now I think GH is the only one of ABC's soaps that is up as well (and again, that's only been since the announcement and then return of Genie Francis). OLTL and AMC are now being beaten by Guiding Light and the only soap they are beating is Passions, whereas before they were beating Guiding Light and a few other shows as well.
Pull up some ratings from early September and prior to that and you will see what I'm talking about. The only reason ABC daytime is up right now is due to Genie Francis returning and the press they are getting for that (because ABC sure didn't promote it all that well). Once she leaves, I am sure we will see their ratings drop again. During the summer, ABC's entire daytime line-up fell in the demos and they were being beaten by CBS's line-up. I think NBC even beat them for a week or more, pushing ABC's line up to #3.
Lisa, abc daytine has had the lead in the key demos for some time now. Here are the #'s for a week in August: Fringe Ratings Report: ABC Daytime Programming Week of August 21-25, 2006
ABC'S DRAMA AND FULL LINEUPS RANK NO. 1* FOR THE WEEK AND SEASON TO DATE AMONG WOMEN 18-49
ABC'S DRAMA LINEUP SHOWED THE MOST GROWTH OF ANY NETWORK VERSUS THE SAME WEEK LAST YEAR AMONG WOMEN 18-34
"GENERAL HOSPITAL" AND "ONE LIFE TO LIVE" TIE FOR THE NO. 1 DRAMA FOR THE WEEK AMONG FEMALE TEENS
ABC IS THE ONLY NETWORK TO POST GROWTH IN BOTH THE DRAMA AND FULL LINEUPS VERSUS LAST WEEK AMONG FEMALE TEENS
ABC POSTED THE MOST GROWTH OF ANY NETWORK IN BOTH ITS FULL AND DRAMA LINEUPS VERSUS LAST YEAR AMONG FEMALE TEENS
"GENERAL HOSPITAL" OUTPERFORMED ITS TIME PERIOD COMPETITOR, CBS' "GUIDING LIGHT," BY 59% AMONG WOMEN 18-49 FOR THE WEEK AND BY 58% SEASON TO DATE
"ONE LIFE TO LIVE" OUTPERFORMED ITS TIME PERIOD COMPETITOR, CBS' "AS THE WORLD TURNS," BY 34% AMONG WOMEN 18-49 FOR THE WEEK AND BY 36% SEASON TO DATE
ABC WINS THE COMMON 1-3PM LIVE TIME PERIOD (THE ONLY TWO HOURS NBC PROGRAMS) THIS WEEK, BEATING CBS BY 3% AND NBC BY 8% AMONG WOMEN 18-49
Week of August 21-25, 2006
ABC's daytime Drama lineup was No. 1 for the week among Women 18-49 with a 1.7 rating and an 11 share, delivering 1.1 million Women 18-49 for the week of August 21, 2006. The lineup outperformed NBC and CBS by 11% among Women 18-49. Among Women 18-34, the lineup was up 5% vs. the same week last year (most growth of any network). Among Female Teens, ABC's drama lineup was up 26% vs. last week (the only network to post growth) and 13% vs. the same week last year (most growth of any network).
ABC's Full daytime schedule was No. 1* among Women 18-49, with a 1.5 rating (* tied with NBC) and a 10 share, delivering an average audience of one million Women 18-49. The lineup outperformed CBS by 4% among Women 18-49. Among Female Teens, the lineup was up 23% vs. last week (the only network to post growth) and 17% vs. the same week last year (most growth of any network). In the 1-3pm live time period (the only two hours NBC programs), ABC was No. 1* with a 1.6 rating (* tied with CBS) and an 11 share - delivering 1.1 million Women 18-49 and outperforming NBC by 8% and CBS by 3%.
ABC had three of the top five shows among Women 18-49:
* In a week of encore performances, "The View" delivered a 1.0 rating and a 7 share, with an average audience of 630,000 Women 18-49. Among Female Teens, "The View" was up 8% versus the prior week and 133% versus the same week last year.
* "General Hospital" was the No. 2-ranked program of the week, with a 1.8 rating and an 11 share, delivering 1.2 Women 18-49. The drama beat "Days of our Lives" by 1% among Women 18-49. Also, "General Hospital" outdelivered its time period rival, "Guiding Light," by 59% for the week and is outdelivering the drama by 58% season to date among Women 18-49. Among Women 18-34, the drama was up 11% versus the same week last year (most growth of any program). Among Female Teens, "GH" was the no. 1 ranked drama for the week (tied with "One Live to Live" and "Days of our Lives.") "GH" was up 23% versus last week and 40% versus the same week last year among Female Teens.
* "One Life to Live" was the No. 3*-ranked program of the week, with a 1.7 rating (* tied with "Days of Our Lives") and an 11 share, delivering 1.1 million Women 18-49. "OLTL" outperformed time period competitors "As the World Turns" by 34% and "Passions" by 36% for the week. For the season, the drama is outperforming "As the World Turns" by 36% and "Passions" by 31% among Women 18-49. Among Women 18-34, the drama was up 8% versus the same week last year. Among Female Teens, "OLTL" was the No. 1 ranked drama for the week (tied with "General Hospital" and "Days of our Lives.") Also, the drama was up 37% versus the prior week among Female Teens.
* "All My Children" was the No. 5*-ranked program, with a 1.5 rating (* tied with "Bold And the Beautiful") and a 10 share, delivering one million Women 18-49. "AMC" was up 5% versus the prior week. Among Female Teens, the drama was up 15% versus last week and 11% versus the same week last year.
Season to date, ABC Daytime's drama lineup ranks No. 1, with a 1.8 rating and an 11 share, delivering 1.2 million Women 18-49 - outperforming CBS by 18% and NBC by 14% in actuals. In the Full lineup, ABC Daytime is No. 1, with a 1.7 rating and an 11 share, delivering 1.1 million Women 18-49, outperforming CBS by 14% and NBC by 6% in actuals.
Following are the Daytime drama and full Daytime ratings averages for the week:
DAYTIME DRAMAS: TOTAL VIEWERS WOMEN 18-49 No. 1 CBS 3.980,000 No. 1 ABC 1.7/11 No. 2 ABC 3,133,000 No. 2 NBC 1.5/10 No. 3 NBC 2,511,000 No. 2 CBS 1.5/10
FULL DAYTI: TOTAL VIEWERS WOMEN 18-49 No. 1 CBS 4,260,000 No. 1 ABC 1.5/10 No. 2 ABC 2,894,000 No. 1 NBC 1.5/10 No. 3 NBC 2,511,000 No. 3 CBS 1.4/10
As far as quality for GH, the emmy's speak for themselves. They have won for best show 5 times since 97 including the last 2 years.
Daytime Emmys
Show 2006 "Outstanding Drama Series" 2005 "Outstanding Drama Series" 2000 "Outstanding Drama Series" 1999 "Outstanding Drama Series" 1997 "Outstanding Drama Series"
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Originally posted by Lisa Mikol: Zedman2--I am aware of all that, but GH (as well as all ABC soaps) experienced a big drop this summer in ratings that continued until Genie's return was announced. It was after her return was announced in September (which I believe is around when they consider the season starting) that their ratings started going back up again. Right now I think GH is the only one of ABC's soaps that is up as well (and again, that's only been since the announcement and then return of Genie Francis). OLTL and AMC are now being beaten by Guiding Light and the only soap they are beating is Passions, whereas before they were beating Guiding Light and a few other shows as well.
Pull up some ratings from early September and prior to that and you will see what I'm talking about. The only reason ABC daytime is up right now is due to Genie Francis returning and the press they are getting for that (because ABC sure didn't promote it all that well). Once she leaves, I am sure we will see their ratings drop again. During the summer, ABC's entire daytime line-up fell in the demos and they were being beaten by CBS's line-up. I think NBC even beat them for a week or more, pushing ABC's line up to #3.
Until the week of July 17-21 2006, ABC's soap lineup was number one for 79 straight weeks in the demo. Since the streak ended they have been number one or number two in the demo by one or two tenths of a point. Comparatively, all ratings are down for all three networks in daytime vrs prior years but Genie Francis return isn't driving ABC's numbers as they are consistently number one.
It's not bad for CSI, but it could hurt ER. And I hate when the networks play around with the length of the shows. Obviously, ABC is trying to get more mileage out of Grey's Anatomy, but all you really get is more commercials.
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Originally posted by Jair27: Marc ¿Why the next Thursday Greys Anatomy, finish in 10:10 PM.?
