Originally posted by meggie: So, all you super CW fans still going to claim that the CW needs to cancel Gossip Girl? SPN didn't do a whole lot better last night.
But it's still better. Plus, Gossip Girl doesn't have the killer competition that SN has.
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See my post above about how the hours total audience is less.
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Originally posted by wenart25: Um...I have to disagree. SN timeslot is not easier. IT got tougher with NBC putting the Office at 9pm. Here is SN competition...
CSI, GA, Don't forget the Lyrics and the Office, which was an hour long last night. That is over 47 million viewers altogether...that SN has to deal with.
It is not an easier time slot.
Peace!!
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: Another interesting night. Let's see what happens next week without Seinfeld before we declare 30 Rock a hit. Greys and Ugly Betty continue their decline but CSI's demo drop is almost equally alarming. ER is nearly run out of gas and Big Shots is a major flop. Supernatural definitely underperformed because the timeslot is much easier than before, and I'm not buying this it was free on i-Tunes nonsense. Its down by just as much as anything else. Smallville's ability to keep viewers interested after all these seasons deserves kudos. Fox continues to see year to year gains.
Originally posted by BuffyMars: Even a down ER is still a player and not time to quit. The quality of the show is very good. And with the weakest of all the lead ins, it still almost won in 18-49. I don't see why Betty, 30 Rock and Earl are worth positively noting, but ER, with better 18-49 numbers, is told to quit.
As for Supernatural, that's very disappointing
Because ER is in its 14th season and NBC is paying obscene amounts of money for the ratings its getting. That's why it should quit.
I'd say its about the same. Both underperformed. SN just underperformed last.
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Originally posted by meggie: So, all you super CW fans still going to claim that the CW needs to cancel Gossip Girl? SPN didn't do a whole lot better last night.
But it's still better. Plus, Gossip Girl doesn't have the killer competition that SN has.
Supernatural could handle it last year just fine. I don't know how its so hard to understand that it underperformed? Where did the viewers go? Its not like they're migrating in mass amounts to Greys or CSI. Its timeslot is tough, but its been lots tougher before and so for that, it is a loser last night.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: DOND had more viewers in that slot last year. Greys and CSI are both down. The hour is much easier.
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Originally posted by hermitme:
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: Supernatural definitely underperformed because the timeslot is much easier than before, .
I'm not sure where you're coming that the competition was easier. The Office was added on, so, no, the competition got harder.
Some of the bigger shows may be down somewhat, but those ratings are still big and big enough to hurt a smaller show on a little network. Plus, The Office. The Office isn't a big ratings horse, but that is another show added to the mix. The time slot is definitley not any easier.
The Office is doing as well as it needs to in order to hang around another year. But not well enough to become a major hit, which would, IMO, be a bad thing for what is, ultimately, a show about lovable losers.
Hopefully it can stay there for five full seasons, then OUT. I can't imagine how they're going to keep the Pam/Jim thing going that long, let alone longer.
As a Dwight/Angela shipper, I am, of course, saddened by their relationship's demise. Personally, I thought Garbage was a much cuter cat than Sprinkles. And very docile for a feral barncat.
It's not a comptition among the shows on the same network. GG is a disaster. SN is doing OK, maybe not fantastic but there's no need to drag it down with it.
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Originally posted by Suzaku: Gossip Girl was given much more press than Supernatural. In the end how much money you put into the show should yield the equivalent results. No one expected Supernatural to pull more than 3 million viewers in that timeslot, however most people expected Gossip Girl to pull around 4 million.
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Originally posted by meggie: So, all you super CW fans still going to claim that the CW needs to cancel Gossip Girl? SPN didn't do a whole lot better last night.
You know, I kinda thought that, yes, Seinfeld inflated these numbers somewhat. But then I read how over-rated he is, so now I know he had nothing to do with it.
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Originally posted by spotupj: NBC's got to be pretty happy about the 30 Rock start... can't complain about a series high. But we'll see how much of that was Seinfeld.
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Apparently 1/3 of the viewers are not sick of it. And 1/3 is still enough to make it a competitive show in the 18-49 demo.
Regardless of whether it should be cancelled or not, do we really need to hear every weak that it is time to call it quits? Can we just say it once and have it apply to the whole season?
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: ER isn't a loser, but it needs to retire already. Its bringing in about 1/3 of the audience it had at its peak. Viewers are simply sick of it.
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Originally posted by Frazier: I don't understand why ER has been labeled a loser every Thursday the past couple seasons. Even when it had a weaker lead-in last season, it still had the stable demo numbers it still has. It seems like ER has a stable solid core following in a competitive timeslot, so why get rid of it especially when its numbers are still better than the most of NBC's other shows?
UGLY BETTY seems to be putting up the numbers it had at the end of last season, so it seems like the audience has stabilized. Which is probably disappointing to ABC after the hype of the Emmys.
Originally posted by TravisYanan: I wonder if the Thursday shows (10pm specifically) suffer more from DVR delayed viewing than other nights. The whole hour is down. It would make sense... why stay up late on a work/school/whatever-night when you can wait one day and watch over the weekend?
I think many people do what I did last night...watch one 9 pm show live (Supernatural for me), and watch a DVR'd 9 pm show at 10 pm (Grey's Anatomy for me). Then they save their DVR'd 10 pm show (Big Shots for me) for later viewing. I didn't watch Big Shots until after midnight (Mad Men trumped Big Shots at the 11 pm hour), but many I think might wait until Friday or the weekend to catch up their DVR recordings.
I think SN will settle in around 3mil. Bad for it that it had demo stealers in playoff baseball and an hour long office. It might slowly uptick, but it will not be substantial. Probably ranging from 2.9-3.1 mil over the course of the season. But once the office decreases to 30 minutes, perhaps the tune out will not happen as much.
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Originally posted by Barrybgb: 2.97 million for SN?. Are you kiddind?. I just don't know what to say. I thought for sure it would do better than that. Being on at 9 is a killer, but will that continue to be livable for the CW as you say?. That's a 960,000 drop from the last year's premiere's final number(3.93 million). Do you think things will get any better once The Office is no longer an hour?. Supernatural is the CW's best show, not that there is a lot to choose from, so they should do whatever they can.
4.56 million is still pretty positive for Smallville. If it stays steady and consistent, there is no doubt in my mind that there will be a season 8. What else has the CW got?.
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Who knows what happened last night. However I thought that Supernatural should have premiered along with Smallville on the same night. I never understood why they don't premiere the shows on the particular day at the same night. Hopefully next week there would be uptick of viewers for the show.
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