Originally posted by Zitrone: Non-flop (of KVille caliber) ABC: PP, PD, SW CBS: ML, BBT NBC: Chuck
I'm glad you edited in Big Bang Theory, but you still need to edit out Moonlight. If you think Moonlight caliber performance is 'success', then you should add Women's Murder Club to the list and maybe New Amsterdam (have to see if it falls tonight) as well.
Originally posted by AL: Pushing Daisies is not successful. Its numbers were dwindling towards the end of its run, and I doubt it would have survived if not for the strike.
Samantha Who got horrible ratings when it was not on after DWTS.
Both shows were stable (even PD after a long fall) until they ran in December at a time everything else on ABC was in repeats and no one was watching that network.
Furthermore for SW, it was doing over 4.0 consistently after DWTS, you might think it was all thanks to the lead-in but not all shows can pull it off (see New Amsterdam).
But my point was, FOX is doing far worse: KVille, B2Y, flop after flop this month...
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Originally posted by Obveeus: I'm glad you edited in Big Bang Theory, but you still need to edit out Moonlight. If you think Moonlight caliber performance is 'success', then you should add Women's Murder Club to the list and maybe New Amsterdam (have to see if it falls tonight) as well.
Is it so hard to read: "Non-flop (of KVille caliber)"? You're right maybe WMC should be there too, although I think it wasn't doing to well in the demo.
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Originally posted by AL: Pushing Daisies is not successful. Its numbers were dwindling towards the end of its run, and I doubt it would have survived if not for the strike.
Samantha Who got horrible ratings when it was not on after DWTS.
Both shows were stable (even PD after a long fall) until they ran in December at a time everything else on ABC was in repeats and no one was watching that network.
Furthermore for SW, it was doing over 4.0 consistently after DWTS, you might think it was all thanks to the lead-in but not all shows can pull it off (see New Amsterdam).
But my point was, FOX is doing far worse: KVille, B2Y, flop after flop this month...
Samantha Who ratings dropped off a cliff as soon as it lost its DWTS lead in. Which proves the show has no legs. It had about 6.5 million viewers on its final airing in December.
And Pushing Daisies ratings went on a consistent downward spiral from its debut on. Here it is:
Weekly Viewing Trends
Date Viewers Demo ----------------------------------------------- 10/03/07 13.03 M 4.3 10/10/07 10.26 M 3.7 10/17/07 9.86 M 3.7 10/24/07 9.67 M 3.2 10/31/07 8.57 M 2.7 11/14/07 8.83 M 3.1 11/21/07 7.48 M 2.2 11/28/07(9pm-S) 9.99 M 3.7 12/12/07 6.84 M 2.4
This is not stability. Except for a spike on an episode in a special time period, the show dropped, and dropped, and dropped. I know the final episode was in December, but still, 6.84 and 2.4 demo rating simply does not cut it.
quote: Originally posted by AL: Pushing Daisies is not successful. Its numbers were dwindling towards the end of its run, and I doubt it would have survived if not for the strike.
Samantha Who got horrible ratings when it was not on after DWTS.
Both shows were stable (even PD after a long fall) until they ran in December at a time everything else on ABC was in repeats and no one was watching that network.
Furthermore for SW, it was doing over 4.0 consistently after DWTS, you might think it was all thanks to the lead-in but not all shows can pull it off (see New Amsterdam).
I agree that SW, while dependent on the DWTS lead-in, is holding that large lead-in better than anything else ABC has tried in the last 5 seasons, and better than almost anything FOX has tried post-Idol.
Samantha Who ratings dropped off a cliff as soon as it lost its DWTS lead in. Which proves the show has no legs. It had about 6.5 million viewers on its final airing in December.
It doesn't matter -- that timeslot needs to be filled with something, and SW has done best there. ABC can split SW seasons into two, always following DWTS Fall and Spring seasons (10-12 episodes each time for a total of 20-24), so it never has to be slotted without DWTS. So this is a moot point.
Oprah's Big Give is saddled by its own good intentions. Trying to meld a cutthroat "Survivor"/"Apprentice" type show onto a program focused on charity and providing for others is incongruent. The producers and even the participants can't pull the knives out completely because it would be unseemly. Thus, the entire show feels hamstrung.
Posts: 20 | Location: Atlanta | Registered: 15 February 2007
Originally posted by Naleyfanforver: Big Brother is really starting to get good seems more and more like the summer series but still can't find anyone that I would like to see win. Past seasons I enjoyed Dr. Will and Evil Dick just no one special this year...
Ooh no, we don't want people like them in the house.
Posts: 343 | Location: Arkansas | Registered: 25 January 2008
I think the real question is: do we call any show that doesn't get canceled right away a success? Do we call it successful if it has a brief first season run, gets bad ratings, gets renewed anyway for a variety of reasons, and then continues to get bad ratings?
Because if that's success, What About Brian was a success. Can't imagine why it's not still on ABC.
Originally posted by Zitrone: Has FOX launched a single successful series this year (or at least not a flop)? SCC is the best they got?
Has CBS launched a single successful series this year?
Has ABC launched a single successful series this year?
Has NBC launched a single successful series this year?
(I won't even bother asking the question for CW)
By the standards of a mini-network, I would contend that MyNetworkTV has launched four successful series this year:
*Jail *Street|Patrol *Celebrity Expose *Whacked Out Videos
All four new series have settled in to being reliable ratings producers for the nascent network, capable of delivering in the 1.5-2.0 million viewer range, and all four are likely to receive 2008-09 renewals shortly.
To this list, I would add:
*Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and Moment of Truth on FOX *Big Bang Theory and Moonlight on CBS *Private Practice and Samantha Who on ABC *Chuck on NBC *Reaper on The CW
as new series that have all demonstrated critical acclaim and A18-49 ratings success sufficient to merit second season orders.
Originally posted by Zitrone: Has FOX launched a single successful series this year (or at least not a flop)? SCC is the best they got?
Has CBS launched a single successful series this year?
Has ABC launched a single successful series this year?
Has NBC launched a single successful series this year?
(I won't even bother asking the question for CW)
By the standards of a mini-network, I would contend that MyNetworkTV has launched four successful series this year:
*Jail *Street|Patrol *Celebrity Expose *Whacked Out Videos
All four new series have settled in to being reliable ratings producers for the nascent network, capable of delivering in the 1.5-2.0 million viewer range, and all four are likely to receive 2008-09 renewals shortly.
To this list, I would add:
*Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and Moment of Truth on FOX *Big Bang Theory and Moonlight on CBS *Private Practice and Samantha Who on ABC *Chuck on NBC *Reaper on The CW
as new series that have all demonstrated critical acclaim and A18-49 ratings success sufficient to merit second season orders.
SPOILER (without giving away in case anyone cares) for those who haven't watched Oprah's big give -- but I will say that I was thrilled to see the person who left last night -- i've think with her negative energy from day one that it seems to go against the purpose of the show.
Also, it will be interesting tomorrow when Dancing with the Stars and American Idol actually overlap in the 9p hour for the FIRST TIME.
