Originally posted by TV-aholic: Yea, that criminal taking money from check cashing places was real "Riviting", last week.
Yep. A show about police doing somewhat police work is much more riveting than one of these shows that portrays criminals as if they were comic book super-villian characters. The CSIs, Fringe, Eleventh Hour, Numbers, etc... type shows are just propaganda machines designed to make people believe that the bad guys are really sophisticated and that you better dump millions into FBI/CIA/Homeland Security/etc.. type defenses if you want to survive over the next few years.
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CSI is good though.
I find it so funny that people are complaining about CSI only because it is now beating greys People, the show is in its ninth season and has been a top 5 show in all of them (less the first season) and now you complain about it? Gimme a break! What a dumb argument...The show is good and that's why people watch it period.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: I agree and another thing is its 1973. There's not way this show would be anywhere near the same as CSI and its clones and maintain some sort of legitimacy concerning the 70s. I really like the show. This past week it almost reminded me of NYPD Blue, where you not only got the case, but you also got some real characters too with real lives.
Agreed. The best police shows are ones like NYPD Blue, Hill Street Blues, and Barney Miller where the cases and characters are realistic.
Yeah very realistic. Anyway those are cop shows, it's a totally different genre from the CSI's, Numbers or The Mentalist. These are investigative shows. Even a 3 year old could see the difference
Yes there is a difference but its pretty obvious that a lot of people can't tell the difference because they complain there aren't tons of flashy graphics, blood, and sex in Life on Mars and that's exactly what you get with the CSIs. They use "science" as an excuse for that stuff every week. Not that I really care but it should be pointed out that those shows are not realistic at all.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: Yea, that criminal taking money from check cashing places was real "Riviting", last week.
Yep. A show about police doing somewhat police work is much more riveting than one of these shows that portrays criminals as if they were comic book super-villian characters. The CSIs, Fringe, Eleventh Hour, Numbers, etc... type shows are just propaganda machines designed to make people believe that the bad guys are really sophisticated and that you better dump millions into FBI/CIA/Homeland Security/etc.. type defenses if you want to survive over the next few years.
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CSI is good though.
I find it so funny that people are complaining about CSI only because it is now beating greys People, the show is in its ninth season and has been a top 5 show in all of them (less the first season) and now you complain about it? Gimme a break! What a dumb argument...The show is good and that's why people watch it period.
Nobody is complaining about CSI because it beat Greys. We're comparing CSI to Life on Mars and yes, people can be critical of a show that has spawned countless other mindless procedurals. Good is a personal opinion. People watch Dancing with the Stars too and I wouldn't call that good either. I watch a lot of programs that few people do but that doesn't mean the show isn't good. The ratings=quality argument has been trounced numerous times before.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: Yea, that criminal taking money from check cashing places was real "Riviting", last week.
Yep. A show about police doing somewhat police work is much more riveting than one of these shows that portrays criminals as if they were comic book super-villian characters. The CSIs, Fringe, Eleventh Hour, Numbers, etc... type shows are just propaganda machines designed to make people believe that the bad guys are really sophisticated and that you better dump millions into FBI/CIA/Homeland Security/etc.. type defenses if you want to survive over the next few years.
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CSI is good though.
I find it so funny that people are complaining about CSI only because it is now beating greys People, the show is in its ninth season and has been a top 5 show in all of them (less the first season) and now you complain about it? Gimme a break! What a dumb argument...The show is good and that's why people watch it period.
Nobody is complaining about CSI because it beat Greys. We're comparing CSI to Life on Mars and yes, people can be critical of a show that has spawned countless other mindless procedurals. Good is a personal opinion. People watch Dancing with the Stars too and I wouldn't call that good either. I watch a lot of programs that few people do but that doesn't mean the show isn't good. The ratings=quality argument has been trounced numerous times before.
you call csi mindless but im sure it takes a lot more creativity and thinking to make a show like csi (self-contained) then a serialized show that is not contained...a good example is greys anatomy...all they do is sleep with one another...my god, why hasn't anyone there gotten some kind of std????
the fact is that ppl like csi, it has changed the landscape of tv so much that cbs duplicated the show b/c audiences like it...they opinion that the show is well done and good...
look at bones on fox...critics say its more like a cbs drama...and low and behold it is one of fox' only bright spots this fall...
csi is not mindless...that is your opinion...but many more would say it is a well crafted and potent show...imo i would say a show like greys anatomy is mindless...
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: What horrible news. My thoughts and prayers go to the Hudson family as well.
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Originally posted by T Dog: It's been the lead story all evening here in Chicago. Police have arrested a suspect, but he has yet to be charged and the 7 year-old the suspect allegedly abducted hasn't been found. My thoughts and prayers go out to Ms. Hudson and to the missing kid - I hope he's found safe and sound.
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Originally posted by Walter: Jennifer Hudson's mother and brother found dead.
Originally posted by Obveeus: What will attract more viewers: Tune in to watch cannibalism (Supernatural) or tune in to watch a lap dance (2&1/2Men). SPN fans are going to be disappointed if they really expect this to help their ratings.
Well, I guess I didn't make it clear in my original message -- what I meant was, the simple fact that SPN was singled out as the worst show of the week by the PTC would hopefully bring in fans who feel the way that many of us feel about the PTC, not the reason it was chosen. I hope that makes sense. Though personally, I'd prefer just about anything, even cannibalism, to a lap dance on 2.5 Men. I'm sure Kripke was thrilled to be singled out by the PTC, especially for the reason stated.
Speaking of Kripke, who most of the fans think is an awesome showrunner -- he gave us a little treat immediately after Thursday's episode. It was a continuation of a scene that appeared in the episode, when Jared decided to see what would happen if he didn't give Jensen the cue to end the part of a scene where Sam returns to the Impala to find Dean lying on the front seat jamming to "Eye of the Tiger" - the resulting video is hilarious. I appreciate it when an actor isn't afraid to do something like this and then agrees to let the fans in on the fun - without having to wait for the DVD gag reel, anyway. If interested, you can see it here Jensen Eye of the Tiger
Yep. A show about police doing somewhat police work is much more riveting than one of these shows that portrays criminals as if they were comic book super-villian characters. The CSIs, Fringe, Eleventh Hour, Numbers, etc... type shows are just propaganda machines designed to make people believe that the bad guys are really sophisticated and that you better dump millions into FBI/CIA/Homeland Security/etc.. type defenses if you want to survive over the next few years.
I agree somewhat with your overall point, but I don't think Fringe belongs on that list--Fringe isn't about serial killers or terrorists, and the main villain is actually a giant corporation. They don't treat basic civil rights as an obstacle to good police work, and it's very much a 'little people against the machine' kind of ethos.
It's got something of the conspiracy mind-set of The X-Files, but it's much more focused and specific in its paranoia. Government and law enforcement can be protectors, but also oppressors--at least we have some control over them, which is not nearly so true with regards to multinational corporations. There's a fight going on between people of conscience, and those who just want power. And really, there always is, in any field of human endeavor worth talking about.
Fring is also very silly at points, and a long way yet from being a great show, but I'd say that of just about anything on the networks right now.
Yep. A show about police doing somewhat police work is much more riveting than one of these shows that portrays criminals as if they were comic book super-villian characters. The CSIs, Fringe, Eleventh Hour, Numbers, etc... type shows are just propaganda machines designed to make people believe that the bad guys are really sophisticated and that you better dump millions into FBI/CIA/Homeland Security/etc.. type defenses if you want to survive over the next few years.
I agree somewhat with your overall point, but I don't think Fringe belongs on that list--Fringe isn't about serial killers or terrorists, and the main villain is actually a giant corporation. They don't treat basic civil rights as an obstacle to good police work, and it's very much a 'little people against the machine' kind of ethos.
It's got something of the conspiracy mind-set of The X-Files, but it's much more focused and specific in its paranoia. Government and law enforcement can be protectors, but also oppressors--at least we have some control over them, which is not nearly so true with regards to multinational corporations. There's a fight going on between people of conscience, and those who just want power. And really, there always is, in any field of human endeavor worth talking about.
Fring is also very silly at points, and a long way yet from being a great show, but I'd say that of just about anything on the networks right now.
I think Fringe is a time period hit. Remember how mediocre it did in week one without the House lead in? I don't think its the next House or even the next Bones for Fox.
At present, I'd tend to agree, but that's better than being the opposite.
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Remember how mediocre it did in week one without the House lead in?
Bones did just a little better for its premiere, and that can be accounted for entirely by the fact that network audiences overall are dropping.
Bottom line, Fringe was always going to be a tough sell, and as I've mentioned a bunch of times, The X-Files never came close to being a hit of any kind in its first season. Fringe's premiere did win the night in the demo.
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I don't think its the next House or even the next Bones for Fox.
Agreed on the first, for sure--as for the second, that's going to depend on them writing more consistent scripts, and building on the pretty decent character work they've done so far.
But also it's going to depend on what people are in the mood to see, and there's nothing anybody can do about that.
I like it, but if it only lasted one or two seasons, that wouldn't bother me much. I'm more worried about it lasting longer.
But in any event, you do realize we weren't talking about its ratings, right? My point was that it'll never be 24--though I'm hoping it'll get better ratings than 24 this year. I'm hoping 24's endless day of mindless torture has finally run out.
People, the show is in its ninth season and has been a top 5 show in all of them (less the first season) and now you complain about it? Gimme a break! What a dumb argument...The show is good and that's why people watch it period.
