Originally posted by lost_fan: Last season House tried something similar by airing its finale on may 29th after the weeps were over after a week's break between the final 2 episodes, here are the results
If the 5/15 episode of House had AI as lead-in, that comparison doesn't mean much.
And the last episode of Lost had a Grey's leadin, whats' your point? It is clear to any objective observer that AI lead in did not have much effect on House's ratings, here is the demo comparison of the AI episode that aired on 5/15 with house episode that aired on 5/15
Idol -8.9 A18-49
House -9.2 !18-49
So on 5/15 House was actually growing from Idol! The comparison works perfectly to prove my original point.
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By far? Heroes got very similar ratings this year (at least in the demo), against much tougher competition.
Heroes finale aired in the fall when the HUT levels are much higher. Comparing the ratings of an episode that aired in the first week of december to an episode that aired during the summer in the last week of may is a preposterous argument. A show like House that was doing high 7s in the demo in the fall is now doing high 5's, a show like Grey's which was doing 8-9s in the fall is now doing 6's, similarly DH was doing 7's and now doing 5-6's, The Office stated with a 5+ demo bu the spring episodes were getting 3's. Infact you'd be hard pressed to find a major show esp a drama that has not dropped by more then 1 demo point from fall to spring. Bottomline; HUT levels in the spring are significantly lower then in the fall. If Heroes had aired in the spring it would also have like almost all other dramas dropped in ratings, so that comparison is not valid.
Originally posted by pisher: Translation: "If I like a show, its ratings only fall because of some stupid thing the network does. If I hate a show, its ratings only fall because everyone agrees with me."
Well, I guess a new night and tougher competition counts for nothing!
Btw, does increasing ratings for Lost every 1/2-hour mean that viewers couldn't be bothered to watch the start, like you claimed for DH? Surely your analysis must be the same then:
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Originally posted by pisher: You can really see all those people who didn't care enough about the Lost finale to watch it through tuning in towards the end to get the jist of things, and decide if they want to come back next season--and many won't. As has been the case with seasons, two, three, and four, so shall it be with five. Those who said Lost was on the comeback trail this year were WRONG.
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Good thing ABC had the sense to NOT air Lost against the Idol finale this season...
I watched Lost with about 20 other people. I don't give a fig about the numbers... we were all happy with it.
Honestly, I can't muster the slightest enthusiasm for discussing Lost S4 ratings, because they aren't AFFECTING anything. The show runs two more (shortened) seasons. That's it. If the ratings go down, the show still runs two more seasons. If the ratings go up, the show still runs two more seasons. The ratings would have to go WAY down, or WAY up for that to change. They aren't going to go up or down that much.
Ratings are important to us because they affect what's on TV. If a show we like gets bad ratings, it may be canceled (boo!). If a show we hate gets bad ratings, it may be canceled (yay!).
True, Lost's ratings affect ABC's profit margins, but not so very much--the finale didn't even air in sweeps. So what's it got to do with ad rates? NOTHING.
A show that used to be a huge hit is finishing off as a more modest hit. More importantly, a show that was sagging in the middle is straightening up and flying right now that it has a defined endpoint.
Originally posted by lost_fan: Explain the reason behind house's dramatic drop in ratings. Did they introduce time travel too?
House finale (and the three previous episodes) was aired outside of its normal time slot, on a new night and after the long strike hiatus, against very strong competition (2 1/2 Men, DWTS). House had great ratings all year long and shows that a series in its fourth year can stay strong even with the increase in DVR usage:
Date Viewers Demo ----------------------------------------------- 09/25/07 18.31 M 7.8 10/02/07 17.44 M 7.2 10/09/07 18.03 M 7.4 10/23/07 18.11 M 7.6 10/30/07 17.30 M 7.0 11/06/07 18.17 M 7.7 11/13/07 16.95 M 7.0 11/20/07 16.89 M 6.8 11/27/07 16.97 M 7.0 01/29/08 22.56 M 8.7 02/03/08(S) 29.05 M 12.9 02/05/08 23.16 M 9.0
New Nite and Time - Mondays 9pm 04/28/08 14.64 M 5.8 05/05/08 13.48 M 5.1 05/12/08 15.02 M 5.9 05/19/08(SF) 16.36 M 5.8
That the best you can do? I think even you realize how stupid your argument is; you are blaming House's ratings drop entirely on the reason that it changed timeslot once since last year, but you are blaming Lost's similar drop entirely on quality despite the fact it has switched timeslots 3 times since last year's season finale. Do you see how absurd your train of thought is, if we were to follow your logic then that makes house's .9 demo drop a lot worse considering lost dropped by .9 as well despite having to change slots 3 times since last year's finale, imagine how low House would be if it had to change slots 3 times in the space of a few months when it lost .9 of its demo as a result of one change.
Have you received, and could you post the final numbers to both nights of A&E's mini series "The Andromeda Strain", that aired this past Monday & Tuesday nights?
Lost really does cliffhangers really well (unlike that dreadful Housewives finale that made me not want to watch it ever again). I truly gasped. And if you check out tvsquad.com, you can check out the two other alternate endings that they had.
I loved Sun's transformation -- she had a superb helicopter scene and I really think she deserves a nomination this year.
I'm really glad that ABC decided to air the season finale outside of the sweeps -- to have to worry about watching two shows at the same time -- had they programmed it again against idol -- would just be annoying and potentially eroding it's audience further. Maybe ABC just needs to do a recap show so that people can catch up because people don't know what they are missing.
Zitrone brought up DH, and it's a good comparison--both huge watercooler dramas on ABC with serialized storylines, both have shown some decline with each subsequent season, both have set endpoints (though ABC hasn't officially announced DH will end with S7, there's little doubt that it will--if not sooner).
They aren't finished averaging the fourth seasons, so let's stick to the first three--
In its first three seasons, Lost went from 16.1 to 15.5 to 14.6--no question some people were tuning out.
In its first three seasons, DH went from 23.7 to 22.2 to 17.5--mind that third step, it's a DILLY.
DH was basically the same show, year after year. It wasn't hitting its viewers with major format changes--one DH ep may be better or worse than another, but the formula is unchanging, and there aren't any mysteries that last more than a season.
So it seems to me that people tuning out Lost are doing so out of frustration--whereas people tuning out DH are doing so out of BOREDOM.
At least you're consistently wrong, because it would just as silly to make that claim for 'Lost'.
I honestly don't claim anything for Lost except that I very rarely finish watching an episode and say "I'm sorry I bothered to watch that."
Which I'm very sorry to say has been a bit of a recurring leitmotif for me and BSG this season.
I'm more bothered by that than you are.
But for me, you see, it's all about the show. Not about the dubious status achieved by watching THE BEST SHOW ON TELEVISION (you're still just sitting in front of a glowing box, instead of doing something). Not meaningless terms like 'quality'. Does it hold me or not? All I care about.
I have a hard time understanding what the hell it is you care about. But of course I don't have to.
Even with DVR numbers added Lost has "lost" over 2 million viewers in a year. I agree, next season the show will have trouble breaking 10 million in the same day data
Whatever happened to "Everything is down, what do you expect, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the show?" Oh right, that only applies to shows you like that might actually get canceled.
First of all i never said that, and secondly one thing is to use that excuse for a rookie show another thing is to use it for the most buzzed show of the season
Originally posted by filmkr27: Lost really does cliffhangers really well (unlike that dreadful Housewives finale that made me not want to watch it ever again). I truly gasped. And if you check out tvsquad.com, you can check out the two other alternate endings that they had.
I loved Sun's transformation -- she had a superb helicopter scene and I really think she deserves a nomination this year.
I'm really glad that ABC decided to air the season finale outside of the sweeps -- to have to worry about watching two shows at the same time -- had they programmed it again against idol -- would just be annoying and potentially eroding it's audience further. Maybe ABC just needs to do a recap show so that people can catch up because people don't know what they are missing.
You have a very wide understanding of the term "cliffhanger".
Originally posted by TravisYanan: Good thing ABC had the sense to NOT air Lost against the Idol finale this season...
I watched Lost with about 20 other people. I don't give a fig about the numbers... we were all happy with it.
That's usually something i hear when the favourite show is doing badly. And 12 million for the season finale of the most buzzed show without any competition is really bad. I mean it pulled 1 million more than the series finale of Shark. That says it all
Originally posted by lost_fan: That the best you can do? I think even you realize how stupid your argument is; you are blaming House's ratings drop entirely on the reason (...)
What ratings drop anyway? Taking one week is meaningless, especially one of those 4 episodes in Spring. I would be curious to see how House average ratings changed from Fall 06 to Fall 07. It actually improved year-to-year some weeks and is still a real hit, two things you sure can't say about Lost.
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It is clear to any objective observer that AI lead in did not have much effect on House's ratings, here is the demo comparison of the AI episode that aired on 5/15 with house episode that aired on 5/15
