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Originally posted by Chimera:
I'm frankly shocked that LOST would drop from a 5.4 to a 4.7 in the demo in a just one week. That to me is a much bigger concern than losing a million overall viewers.

Lost doesnt need any promotion but I didn't saw a Lost promo all week Mad
 
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Maybe you would be most pleased if you started your own blog and then you wouldnt have to worry about Marc's opinions on his own website. Just a thought.

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Originally posted by AL:
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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
Just no pleasin' some people.

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Originally posted by AL:
Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


No, I could easily be pleased! Smiler

I should probably just ignore it, but I wish I could understand what a makes a "winner", and what makes a "loser". Not to mention "Honorable Mention". 5th Grader and Lyrics consistently get rated as "winners", with the reason given that they perform at levels much much higher than FOX had last year in the same time period. But for some reason those are the only 2 shows on TV that get listed as winners based on ratings compared to last year in the same time period. For example, Medium on Monday night at 10 this past week had 9.22 million viewers and 2.9 in 18-49. Last year in the comparable time period, Black Donnellys had 5.42 million viewers and a 2.0 among adults 18-49. This rise is similar to the FOX shows on Thursdays this season compared to last season, yet Marc whines in his column weekly how Medium should be doing better.

It would just be nice if shows were judged comparing apples to apples, and using the same barometer. But as I have said before, Marc's rules are as follows:

FOX: for some reason he still judges FOX like they are a "4th network", even though FOX is obviously now part of the Big 4. A show on FOX that gets 7-8 million viewers is doing very well according to Marc, while a show on ABC, CBS, or NBC that gets 9 million viewers is not doing well.

ABC: If the show is one of his favorites, the ratings don't matter. It is a winner. Brothers and Sisters gets weak ratings, when judged by it lead in, yet it is always a winner. I have a feeling ABC might move this show in the fall, and then it will die. Because it is a ratings dud.

CBS: If its on CBS, its a winner. The 18-49 ratings don't matter. The drops from previous seasons don't matter. For example, this week CSI is a winner, even though it finished in 4th place in the demo. It had 11.45 million viewers and a 2.9 from rating. Last year in the comparable week (and also a repeat), CSI did 15.77 million viewers and a 4.3 demo rating. A significant drop. But this does not matter. It is a winner. After all, it is on CBS.

NBC: Even though NBC is in 2nd place this season in the demo ratings, based on Marc's analysis, you would think they were buried deep in last. For example, week after week Biggest Loser performs solidly in the demo considering they are up against AI, yet never a kudos.


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Originally posted by RussTC3:
Lost went over by 2 minutes, which will likely result in an increase once the finals are released by about 100,000-150,000 viewers.
I'd love to see the half hour breakdown for Lost (Marc or Travis) because it would confirm whether or not people turned the episode off because of the foreign dialog.

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Plus it increased by 7% among viewers. Considering the long lay-off and new time slot, I'm not so sure it deserves a loser ranking this week.
I agree that Reaper should not be on the loser list this week.

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We'll see how it fares next week and the week after. We'll have a good idea by then.
It might be hard to get a good idea with the basketball issue and with Smallville falling itno reruns.
 
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I dont think Reaper deserves to be on the loser's list. Those are the shows best numbers in viewership since the October 16th episode.

LOST is fading and fast.

Good-bye Eli Stone.

Lipstick Jungle may stay due to it's women appeal.

Survivor's ratings were good. Last nights episode was good as well. This is my favorite season in awhile.


 
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Originally posted by Obveeus:
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Originally posted by robert:
Ouch for Lost, it "lost" 1 million in a week. At this rate it will have problems remaining above 10 million at 10pm

Respectable once again for ES


Does Eli Stone not have its own folder yet?
Did Lost run over the timeslot last night or is that a real Eli Stone rating?



From Variety.com:
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...ABC's "Eli Stone" right there as well (projected 2.3/7 in 18-49, 7.0 million viewers overall from 10:02 to 11 p.m.).


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Originally posted by whatsonpop:
Maybe you would be most pleased if you started your own blog and then you wouldnt have to worry about Marc's opinions on his own website. Just a thought.

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Originally posted by AL:
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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
Just no pleasin' some people.

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Originally posted by AL:
Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


No, I could easily be pleased! Smiler

I should probably just ignore it, but I wish I could understand what a makes a "winner", and what makes a "loser". Not to mention "Honorable Mention". 5th Grader and Lyrics consistently get rated as "winners", with the reason given that they perform at levels much much higher than FOX had last year in the same time period. But for some reason those are the only 2 shows on TV that get listed as winners based on ratings compared to last year in the same time period. For example, Medium on Monday night at 10 this past week had 9.22 million viewers and 2.9 in 18-49. Last year in the comparable time period, Black Donnellys had 5.42 million viewers and a 2.0 among adults 18-49. This rise is similar to the FOX shows on Thursdays this season compared to last season, yet Marc whines in his column weekly how Medium should be doing better.

It would just be nice if shows were judged comparing apples to apples, and using the same barometer. But as I have said before, Marc's rules are as follows:

FOX: for some reason he still judges FOX like they are a "4th network", even though FOX is obviously now part of the Big 4. A show on FOX that gets 7-8 million viewers is doing very well according to Marc, while a show on ABC, CBS, or NBC that gets 9 million viewers is not doing well.

ABC: If the show is one of his favorites, the ratings don't matter. It is a winner. Brothers and Sisters gets weak ratings, when judged by it lead in, yet it is always a winner. I have a feeling ABC might move this show in the fall, and then it will die. Because it is a ratings dud.

CBS: If its on CBS, its a winner. The 18-49 ratings don't matter. The drops from previous seasons don't matter. For example, this week CSI is a winner, even though it finished in 4th place in the demo. It had 11.45 million viewers and a 2.9 from rating. Last year in the comparable week (and also a repeat), CSI did 15.77 million viewers and a 4.3 demo rating. A significant drop. But this does not matter. It is a winner. After all, it is on CBS.

NBC: Even though NBC is in 2nd place this season in the demo ratings, based on Marc's analysis, you would think they were buried deep in last. For example, week after week Biggest Loser performs solidly in the demo considering they are up against AI, yet never a kudos.


OK. I did not realize that I needed to agree with the opinions of everyone on the forum. Thanks for letting me know. I will make sure to agree with all of Marc's opinions from now on. Have a great day! Wink
 
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Originally posted by Chimera:
I'm frankly shocked that LOST would drop from a 5.4 to a 4.7 in the demo in a just one week. That to me is a much bigger concern than losing a million overall viewers.


This was the first episode that aired following the change to Daylight Savings Time and it had an effect. The show may jump up a bit next week as it is the last show of the current pod of episodes, but I believe moving forward other shows will be effected. I don't believe shows will be coming back with new episodes as strong as last fall due to the strike and the time of year. I expect low end results for GA, DH and other top rated shows.


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Originally posted by yankeesrj12:
I dont think Reaper deserves to be on the loser's list. Those are the shows best numbers in viewership since the October 16th episode.

LOST is fading and fast.

Good-bye Eli Stone.

Lipstick Jungle may stay due to it's women appeal.

Survivor's ratings were good. Last nights episode was good as well. This is my favorite season in awhile.


Hey stop! According to whatsonpop we are not supposed to disagree with Marc's analysis. So stop now, or you might just get in trouble from whatsonpop. Wink
 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mushu_jj:

Reaper: Somewhat disappointing but Supernatural pulled those sorts of numbers for weeks behind Smallville so I'm not all that surprised. I do think that it would've pulled that number had it stayed in its 8pm Tuesday slot too. The show is really funny and honestly should've been paired with either Smallville from the beginning this year or with EHC and AiA. The three of them just seem like they would've meshed well together.
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In fairness to Reaper, it did improve over its season average by a little over 90,000 viewers.

In fairness to SN, it has only had one episode that scored under 2.95 million viewers.

Out of the 2008 part of the season, to compare for the 9pm hour.

The lead in for the last 5 originals (4 Supernatural/ 1 Reaper).

The average lead in audience for Supernatural was 3.52 million viewers.

The average lead in for Reaper's 1 episode was 3.79 million.

Now if you factor out the SN rerun that was part of that leadin average for SN, and just use the original Smallville numbers the average was 3.83 (a variance of 40,000 viewers from what Reaper had).

Average performance of SN in 2008 is 2.97 compared to Reapers 2.81 a variance of 160,000 viewers (4 times the amount of the difference in lead in).

The total audience in viewers in the 9pm hour for the 4 episodes of SN has been 46.43 million viewers. The total audience level for 9pm this week is 43.03.

Now of course these numbers from Reaper are just the first week, they could improve or decline. They are also fast Nationals and not final numbers and could also change (either going up or down).

I do agree that I feel this show is a better match audience was (and tone) to Smallville then Supernatural is. I have long thought Supernatural (out of the limited shows CW has to choose from might play better on Tuesday as a lead out).

But I was actually a little disappointed that Reaper didn't get out a little better, with the weeker competition (of a normal Thursday), and with a lead in that is about a million more then what it had previously.

But it stil has a a week or two to grow and give an indication to CW on how it might due on another night.




 
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Originally posted by Riff Rafferty:
I didn't watch this.


Why did you feel the need to post this?
 
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Originally posted by Chimera:
I'm frankly shocked that LOST would drop from a 5.4 to a 4.7 in the demo in a just one week. That to me is a much bigger concern than losing a million overall viewers.

Lost doesnt need any promotion but I didn't saw a Lost promo all week Mad


Heavily promoted premiere had 16 million viewers now it's pulling in 11 million the same as a CSI repeat.

Obviously it does need promotion.
 
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Originally posted by pisher:
It'll go up a bit for the 'finale' next week, which promises CHARACTER!!!DEATH!!!!


Thanks for the spoiler asshole. Roll Eyes
 
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That's not exactly a spoiler. The previews after last night's episode clearly tells that. Also its been known for quite a while. Also the language isn't really necessary

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Originally posted by pisher:
It'll go up a bit for the 'finale' next week, which promises CHARACTER!!!DEATH!!!!


Thanks for the spoiler asshole. Roll Eyes
 
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Big difference. He's responding. Your post is one big long whine. He is stating his opinion. You go into paragraph after paragraph describing why marc is biased and unfair. I could hear your girly tears through your post. It gets old day after day when people complain about Marc's opinions. In all fairness, it's not just you. We are all biased towards the shows we like. Marc is no different. This just happens to be his website. I come here to analyze ratings not Marc.

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Originally posted by AL:
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Originally posted by yankeesrj12:
I dont think Reaper deserves to be on the loser's list. Those are the shows best numbers in viewership since the October 16th episode.

LOST is fading and fast.

Good-bye Eli Stone.

Lipstick Jungle may stay due to it's women appeal.

Survivor's ratings were good. Last nights episode was good as well. This is my favorite season in awhile.


Hey stop! According to whatsonpop we are not supposed to disagree with Marc's analysis. So stop now, or you might just get in trouble from whatsonpop. Wink


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Originally posted by tvchtw:
That's not exactly a spoiler. The previews after last night's episode clearly tells that. Also its been known for quite a while. Also the language isn't really necessary

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Originally posted by lost_fan:
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Originally posted by pisher:
It'll go up a bit for the 'finale' next week, which promises CHARACTER!!!DEATH!!!!


Thanks for the spoiler asshole. Roll Eyes


Many of us consider previews to be spoilers and it does not matter if you knew it for a long time. Most people neither did nor want to know before it is revealed on the show.
 
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