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Originally posted by TV-aholic:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
In the long run, I agree, CSI is more profitable. In the short run, GA is more desirable.

And I think that's the image of each network.

I've have always seen ABC (in the last 25 years or so) as a Network that has Hot shows that burn out Quickly. CBS may not have the "Hot Shows", but has been more stable and consistant with its programming.

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What are the ad rates for a repeat Episode of CSI and Grey's?

I'm not a media buyer, but I believe most advertisers buy schedules, not just episodes. In those schedules are a mix of shows, both originals and repeats. So, those figures are all factored into the cost of the buy -- but if you insist on having "Grey's Anatomy" in there, the price of the buy will go up. I know there's a lot of wheeling and dealing about certain shows.

To make a long story short, I think those ad rates would be for somebody walking in off the street who said "I want to buy one spot in 'Grey's'/'CSI'," but advertisers with multiple shows on their schedules don't actually pay that exact rate.

Therefore, in answer to your question: I believe there is no set ad rate for repeats (because nobody is going to walk in off the street and want to buy just one repeat)

Any media buyers on this forum who can confirm/deny my second-hand knowledge of their business?

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:

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I think CSI:NY will fall to 12 million viewer levels, if not lower. I think WAT will struggle some going against Lost and get even more older skewing. Cold Case will have a hard time topping 12 million with Big Brother as a lead in. Criminal Minds going head to head against Idol will also likely lose viewers.

1) CSI-NY will do well and will do about 13.4 - 14 million viewers when the new epsidoes returns.

2)Criminal Minds was drawing about 14 million last year vs. AI and will do about the same this spring.

3) We may see a spike for Cold Case since it will have some new episodes with NO DH epsidoes against it. Once DH returns with fresh wpisodes, it will settle back in the 12 million range (as long as Golf runovers don't kill it).

4) WAT will have about 3-4 weeks of nothing against it while it has fresh episodes, so it should do just fine. Will settle into its 14-15 million range after LOST returns.

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There are 7-8 shows on CBS that do better (in viewers) than Lost

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Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show

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Originally posted by robert:
There are 7-8 shows on CBS that do better (in viewers) than Lost

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Originally posted by vlis:
name that tune

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Originally posted by robert:
There are 7-8 shows on CBS that do better (in viewers) than Lost

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There's not even half a handful that cost as much to produce as Lost, or have the kind of massive media hype Lost has enjoyed.

Actually the costs of the show are relatively low. They have been getting tax breaks and other incentives from the Hawaii government since they threated to move the show out of Hawaii towards the end of Season 1. In season 3 the average cost of episodes was around $2.5 million whereas cost of an average episode of Pushing Daisies is $2.61million and ABC is content with pushing Daisies' 2.5-3demo that they gave it another season, they are positively ecstatic with Lost's 5+ demo and lower costs. Cost-wise it is at par perhaps even slightly cheaper then similar shows like Heroes.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Ya CBS has always had a lot of steady performers that do mediocre or poorly in the demos but has a pretty long shelf life. ABC still has quite a few successful sitcoms in syndication from the 90s. They really don't have much however, in terms of dramas out there. This even backs up into the 80s. Nevertheless, both networks have been successful and one could say the biggest ABC show of the past 20 years has been Millionaire, which is in syndication still kicking strong. NBC has actually had the best balance of the two. Fox has been more worried about making sure they're the net parents want to keep their kids away from.

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Originally posted by vlis:
name that tune

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Originally posted by robert:
There are 7-8 shows on CBS that do better (in viewers) than Lost

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Originally posted by vlis:
never mind; just remebered they all start of "csi"

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Originally posted by vlis:
name that tune

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Originally posted by robert:
There are 7-8 shows on CBS that do better (in viewers) than Lost

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:

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Originally posted by robert:
There are 7-8 shows on CBS that do better (in viewers) than Lost

I have 7 that do as well if not better: 2.5 Men, the three CSIs, WAT, CM, NCIS.

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You could be right but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Getting back on the air quick will help the CBS shows but I think damage has been done during this strike to them and TV in general. I'm expecting drops. Hope not, even for those shows I don't care about (basically the shows we're talking about, but am not being overly optimistic.

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Dexter?