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that kind of money per each ad? If so, that's CRAZY!!
Tuned in for AI last night to see who the 12 would be. Paula is number 1 on Itunes? I really like the irish tatoo girl very pretty voice.
Is it too soon to ask who got voted off apprentice? Was it Omerosso (sp)?
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quote: Originally posted by robert: quote: Originally posted by lost_fan: quote: Originally posted by robert:
I' surprised at Lost;s numbers. They're still mediocre but at least it didn't fell after that horrible episode last week. Much better was yesterday's episode
If 5.4 in demo is just "mediocre" (especially when the leadin is only a 1.9) then that makes every show on CBS a flop of epic proportions, doesn't it?
Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show
Never thought of it in those terms. Yes, it has a little stronger Demo Rating, but Lost draws about the same number of EYES as Shark, Cold Case, Rules of Engagement, The Amazing Race, and An off night of Without a Trace. But on ABC, its what... the #5 show for the net? Behind Greys, DH, EM:HE and DWtS
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| Posts: 15769 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Chimera: quote: Originally posted by robert: quote: Originally posted by lost_fan: quote: Originally posted by robert:
I' surprised at Lost;s numbers. They're still mediocre but at least it didn't fell after that horrible episode last week. Much better was yesterday's episode
If 5.4 in demo is just "mediocre" (especially when the leadin is only a 1.9) then that makes every show on CBS a flop of epic proportions, doesn't it?
Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show
There's only a handful (or at most two handfuls) of shows getting that much in all of television, let alone just on CBS. And haven't you always said that the demo number is more important? There's no guarantee that CBS will have more than 4 shows getting those types of numbers when they bring back new episodes...
You've got it wrong. I've always said i don't care about demos |
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quote: Originally posted by Chimera: quote: Originally posted by robert: quote: Originally posted by lost_fan: quote: Originally posted by robert:
I' surprised at Lost;s numbers. They're still mediocre but at least it didn't fell after that horrible episode last week. Much better was yesterday's episode
If 5.4 in demo is just "mediocre" (especially when the leadin is only a 1.9) then that makes every show on CBS a flop of epic proportions, doesn't it?
Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show
There's only a handful (or at most two handfuls) of shows getting that much in all of television, let alone just on CBS. And haven't you always said that the demo number is more important? There's no guarantee that CBS will have more than 4 shows getting those types of numbers when they bring back new episodes...
On CBS, 2.5 men, CSI, WAT, CM, CSI-NY, CSI:Miami, NCIS, and maybe even Cold Case will top 12 million, should top 13 million and only two (2.5 Men and CC) will not top 14 million. The Viewers will hungry and ready for fresh episodes of their favorites and they will premiere while everything else is still in repeats.
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| Posts: 15769 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Ike: quote: Originally posted by robert:
Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show
Incorrect. Quite the opposite. CBS would gladly trade in those extra 3-8 million viewers for higher demos. Based on the averages from 2006-07, GA was able to charge $419k for ads while CSI was only able to charge about $248k -- despite CSI having higher total viewer averages. Why? Because GA kills CSI in demos. WaT: $190k. B&S: $182k. Criminal Minds: $121k. CSI: Miami: $180k. CSI: NY: $140k. The Unit: only $98k. Heroes: $296k. Bones: $130k. Look at the ratings from last season. All these are roughly proportional to DEMO ratings. Now try to tell me again that demos don't matter more than total viewers. Oh wait... you can't.  And don't try to tell me it's about buzz because My Name is Earl was raking in $151k due to its young demos, despite having no more buzz.
Oh yeah i can. I'm not a CBS employee so i don't care about thosE money figures For me every person is equal. 15 million that watch CM are ALLWAYS more than 13 million that watch LOst. Or my mother that is 51 and watches CM is less of a person than myself that i'm 26 and watch Lost? |
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quote: Originally posted by Naleyfanforver:
that kind of money per each ad? If so, that's CRAZY!!
It's not crazy -- it's the television business. Those figures seem accurate to me. |
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It will be interesting to see what next year's rates will be, but I would bet money that Grey's is deep in Make Goods. They raised their rates and their numbers fell significantly from last season. Just about every other show on TV took cuts in ad rates. quote: Originally posted by Ike: quote: Originally posted by robert:
Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show
Incorrect. Quite the opposite. CBS would gladly trade in those extra 3-8 million viewers for higher demos. Based on the averages from 2006-07, GA was able to charge $419k for ads while CSI was only able to charge about $248k -- despite CSI having higher total viewer averages. Why? Because GA kills CSI in demos. WaT: $190k. B&S: $182k. Criminal Minds: $121k. CSI: Miami: $180k. CSI: NY: $140k. The Unit: only $98k. Heroes: $296k. Bones: $130k. Look at the ratings from last season. All these are roughly proportional to DEMO ratings. Now try to tell me again that demos don't matter more than total viewers. Oh wait... you can't. And don't try to tell me it's about buzz because My Name is Earl was raking in $151k due to its young demos, despite having no more buzz.
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| Posts: 15769 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by lopez: Do you remember that CBS was FOURTH in the demo in the February Sweeps?
Just Barely and with an almost-all repeat schedule.
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| Posts: 15769 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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quote: For me every person is equal. 15 million that watch CM are ALLWAYS more than 13 million that watch LOst. Or my mother that is 51 and watches CM is less of a person than myself that i'm 26 and watch Lost?
But robert, as I said to someone else above, it's the television business -- the dollar figures are the reason the shows are on the air -- if they can't sell advertising for a show, it would be off the air even if millions more people watched it than a shows that can pull in hefty advertising. It's not about you or your mom being less of a person. |
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quote: Originally posted by robert: quote: Originally posted by Ike: quote: Originally posted by robert:
Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show
Incorrect. Quite the opposite. CBS would gladly trade in those extra 3-8 million viewers for higher demos. Based on the averages from 2006-07, GA was able to charge $419k for ads while CSI was only able to charge about $248k -- despite CSI having higher total viewer averages. Why? Because GA kills CSI in demos. WaT: $190k. B&S: $182k. Criminal Minds: $121k. CSI: Miami: $180k. CSI: NY: $140k. The Unit: only $98k. Heroes: $296k. Bones: $130k. Look at the ratings from last season. All these are roughly proportional to DEMO ratings. Now try to tell me again that demos don't matter more than total viewers. Oh wait... you can't. And don't try to tell me it's about buzz because My Name is Earl was raking in $151k due to its young demos, despite having no more buzz.
Oh yeah i can. I'm not a CBS employee so i don't care about thosE money figures For me every person is equal. 15 million that watch CM are ALLWAYS more than 13 million that watch LOst. Or my mother that is 51 and watches CM is less of a person than myself that i'm 26 and watch Lost?
You dont care but the advertisers care. GA is charging almost 60% more than CSI.. that's almost 1 million for 1 minute in promos only. It's all about the money, not ratings.  |
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quote: Originally posted by Chimera: quote: For me every person is equal. 15 million that watch CM are ALLWAYS more than 13 million that watch LOst. Or my mother that is 51 and watches CM is less of a person than myself that i'm 26 and watch Lost?
But robert, as I said to someone else above, it's the television business -- the dollar figures are the reason the shows are on the air -- if they can't sell advertising for a show, it would be off the air even if millions more people watched it than a shows that can pull in hefty advertising. It's not about you or your mom being less of a person.
But Lost and CM for example are not shows in danger of cancelation. Then why is everyone insisting that Lost is more succesfull than a show that is watched by more viewers. That's what bother me and i'll never agree with that. We can also talk about demos, i don't have something against that, but i'm tired of everyone justifing Lost's numbers by the fact that it has good demos. OK so it brings more money to ABC. Why do you care about that? Do you recieve part of that money? |
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quote: Originally posted by lopez: quote: Originally posted by robert: quote: Originally posted by Ike: quote: Originally posted by robert:
Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show
Incorrect. Quite the opposite. CBS would gladly trade in those extra 3-8 million viewers for higher demos. Based on the averages from 2006-07, GA was able to charge $419k for ads while CSI was only able to charge about $248k -- despite CSI having higher total viewer averages. Why? Because GA kills CSI in demos. WaT: $190k. B&S: $182k. Criminal Minds: $121k. CSI: Miami: $180k. CSI: NY: $140k. The Unit: only $98k. Heroes: $296k. Bones: $130k. Look at the ratings from last season. All these are roughly proportional to DEMO ratings. Now try to tell me again that demos don't matter more than total viewers. Oh wait... you can't. And don't try to tell me it's about buzz because My Name is Earl was raking in $151k due to its young demos, despite having no more buzz.
Oh yeah i can. I'm not a CBS employee so i don't care about thosE money figures For me every person is equal. 15 million that watch CM are ALLWAYS more than 13 million that watch LOst. Or my mother that is 51 and watches CM is less of a person than myself that i'm 26 and watch Lost?
You dont care but the advertisers care. GA is charging almost 60% more than CSI.. that's almost 1 million for 1 minute in promos only. It's all about the money, not ratings.
Please tell me where do i have to go to pick up those dollars you're talking about |
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quote: Originally posted by lopez: You dont care but the advertisers care. GA is charging almost 60% more than CSI.. that's almost 1 million for 1 minute in promos only. It's all about the money, not ratings.
I've asked this more than once on this forum, and never got an aswer, but... What are the ad rates for a repeat Episode of CSI and Grey's? I can't imagine an advertiser paying that large sum of money for a repeat of Greys that may be luck to draw 5 million viewers and a 1.4 in the demo.
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| Posts: 15769 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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dont think so:
day date network show Repeat Viewers 18-49
week 1 Monday 09/24/07 cbs Rules of Engagement 12,230 4.5
week 2 Monday 10/01/07 cbs Rules of Engagement 10,090 3.7
week 3 Monday 10/08/07 cbs Rules of Engagement 10,680 3.8
week 4 Monday 10/15/07 cbs Rules of Engagement 10,810 4.0
week 5 Monday 10/22/07 cbs Rules of Engagement 10,822 3.9
week 6 Monday 10/29/07 cbs Rules of Engagement 10,565 4.0
week 7 Monday 11/05/07 cbs Rules of Engagement 10,768 4.0
week 8 Monday 11/12/07 cbs Rules of Engagement 11,464 4.3
week 9 Monday 11/19/07 cbs Rules of Engagement 11,480 4.2
week 10 Monday 11/26/07 cbs Rules of Engagement 11,577 3.8
week 11 Monday 12/03/07 cbs Rules of Engagement R 9,780 3.2
week 12 Monday 12/10/07 cbs Rules of Engagement r 9,340 3.2
week 14 Monday 12/24/07 cbs Rules of Engagement r 4,540 1.5
week 15 Monday 12/31/07 cbs Rules of Engagement r 4,970 1.4
week 16 Monday 01/07/08 cbs Rules of Engagement r 7,860 2.8
week17 Monday 01/14/08 cbs Rules of Engagement r 8,420 2.7
week 18 Monday 01/21/08 cbs Rules of Engagement r 8,480 3.1
week 19 Monday 01/28/08 cbs Rules of Engagement r 5,160 1.7
day date network show Viewers 18-49
week 6 Sunday 11/04/07 cbs Amazing Race 13,718 4.3
week 7 Sunday 11/11/07 cbs Amazing Race 10,480 3.2
week 8 Sunday 11/18/07 cbs Amazing Race 11,863 3.8
week 9 Sunday 11/25/07 cbs Amazing Race 11,798 3.6
week 10 Sunday 12/02/07 cbs Amazing Race 11,263 3.5
week 11 Sunday 12/09/07 cbs Amazing Race 11,947 3.9
week 13 Sunday 12/23/07 cbs Amazing Race 8,970 2.8
week 14 Sunday 12/30/07 cbs Amazing Race 9,690 2.9
week 15 Sunday 01/06/08 cbs Amazing Race 11,990 3.9
week 16 Sunday 01/13/08 cbs Amazing Race 11,650 3.8
week 18 Sunday 01/20/08 cbs Amazing Race 9,750 3.1
day date network show Repeat Viewers 18-49
week 1 Sunday 09/30/07 cbs SHARK 11,340 2.6
week 2 Sunday 10/07/07 cbs SHARK 11,280 2.5
week 3 Sunday 10/14/07 cbs Shark 11,060 2.6
week 4 Sunday 10/21/07 cbs Shark 11,000 2.4
week 5 Sunday 10/28/07 cbs Shark 10,260 2.3
week 6 Sunday 11/04/07 cbs Shark 11,164 2.4
week 7 Sunday 11/11/07 cbs Shark 11,460 2.6
week 8 Sunday 11/18/07 cbs Shark 12,651 2.7
week 9 Sunday 11/25/07 cbs Shark 10,075 2.5
week 11 Sunday 12/09/07 cbs Shark 9,835 2.4
week 14 Sunday 12/30/07 cbs Shark r 6,860 1.6
week 15 Sunday 01/06/08 cbs Shark r 8,000 2.0
week 18 Sunday 01/20/08 cbs Shark r 7,440 1.5
week 18 Sunday 01/27/08 cbs Shark 11,034 2.0
week 19 Sunday 02/03/08 cbs Shark r 4,120 0.6
quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic: quote: Originally posted by robert: quote: Originally posted by lost_fan: quote: Originally posted by robert:
I' surprised at Lost;s numbers. They're still mediocre but at least it didn't fell after that horrible episode last week. Much better was yesterday's episode
If 5.4 in demo is just "mediocre" (especially when the leadin is only a 1.9) then that makes every show on CBS a flop of epic proportions, doesn't it?
Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show
Never thought of it in those terms. Yes, it has a little stronger Demo Rating, but Lost draws about the same number of EYES as Shark, Cold Case, Rules of Engagement, The Amazing Race, and An off night of Without a Trace. But on ABC, its what... the #5 show for the net? Behind Greys, DH, EM:HE and DWtS
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