I wish reaper would move permanently to Thursdays after Smallville.

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As for New Amsterdam... Monday is the true test.

I don't think FOX will decide on Monday, either. But if it falls much further the following Monday....

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Because they don't watch TV. They watch us watching TV.

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I' surprised at Lost;s numbers. They're still mediocre but at least it didn't fell after that horrible episode last week. Much better was yesterday's episode

If 5.4 in demo is just "mediocre" (especially when the leadin is only a 1.9) then that makes every show on CBS a flop of epic proportions, doesn't it?

Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show

As for New Amsterdam... Monday is the true test. The viewership drops hugely from American Idol and even half-hour to half-hour. But the second half-hour numbers aren't completely atrocious. It's 9 million. Now if this was the show's core audience, it could be bring in respectable numbers on Monday, where it stands alone. If it got even 8 million, it would beat Prison Break and SCC. I'm not going to say it's toast yet. It still has a chance.

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Originally posted by lost_fan:

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Originally posted by robert:
I' surprised at Lost;s numbers. They're still mediocre but at least it didn't fell after that horrible episode last week. Much better was yesterday's episode

If 5.4 in demo is just "mediocre" (especially when the leadin is only a 1.9) then that makes every show on CBS a flop of epic proportions, doesn't it?

Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show

Perhaps. But it's still doing very well as it is.

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Perhaps. But it's still doing very well as it is.

Well enough to last until its scheduled cancellation date.

For now.

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Originally posted by robert:
I' surprised at Lost;s numbers. They're still mediocre but at least it didn't fell after that horrible episode last week. Much better was yesterday's episode

If 5.4 in demo is just "mediocre" (especially when the leadin is only a 1.9) then that makes every show on CBS a flop of epic proportions, doesn't it?

Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show

Perhaps. But it's still doing very well as it is.

Trust me, 12-13 million is not "very well" for Lost. Just acceptable nothing more

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Originally posted by robert:
I' surprised at Lost;s numbers. They're still mediocre but at least it didn't fell after that horrible episode last week. Much better was yesterday's episode

If 5.4 in demo is just "mediocre" (especially when the leadin is only a 1.9) then that makes every show on CBS a flop of epic proportions, doesn't it?

Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show

There's only a handful (or at most two handfuls) of shows getting that much in all of television, let alone just on CBS. And haven't you always said that the demo number is more important?

There's no guarantee that CBS will have more than 4 shows getting those types of numbers when they bring back new episodes...

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Trust me, 12-13 million is not "very well" for Lost. Just acceptable nothing more

Are we really going to have this argument all over again? You have to look at everything in context, and the context now is that its viewer and demo numbers make it more than acceptable. It's in the top 10 in both, and yes, let's not forget DVR live+7, DVD sales, games, international success, etc, etc, etc.

I have not heard similar silly talk about a show as big of a hit as LOST being called just barely acceptable. I really don't understand why that is...

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Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show

Incorrect. Quite the opposite. CBS would gladly trade in those extra 3-8 million viewers for higher demos. Based on the averages from 2006-07, GA was able to charge $419k for ads while CSI was only able to charge about $248k -- despite CSI having higher total viewer averages. Why? Because GA kills CSI in demos. WaT: $190k. B&S: $182k. Criminal Minds: $121k. CSI: Miami: $180k. CSI: NY: $140k. The Unit: only $98k. Heroes: $296k. Bones: $130k. Look at the ratings from last season. All these are roughly proportional to DEMO ratings.

Now try to tell me again that demos don't matter more than total viewers. Oh wait... you can't.

And don't try to tell me it's about buzz because My Name is Earl was raking in $151k due to its young demos, despite having no more buzz.

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There's only a handful (or at most two handfuls) of shows getting that much in all of television, let alone just on CBS.

There's not even half a handful that cost as much to produce as Lost, or have the kind of massive media hype Lost has enjoyed.

It's still a popular show, sure.

It's not about to be canceled.

But ABC is not happy with these numbers.

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Originally posted by robert:
I' surprised at Lost;s numbers. They're still mediocre but at least it didn't fell after that horrible episode last week. Much better was yesterday's episode

If 5.4 in demo is just "mediocre" (especially when the leadin is only a 1.9) then that makes every show on CBS a flop of epic proportions, doesn't it?

Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show

Do you remember that CBS was FOURTH in the demo in the February Sweeps?

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Yes, I did. I was bored to tears. Which was actually an improvement from being "bored to death" from the pilot.

I said this about the NA pilot yesterday and several people were telling me "How dare you decide that you are bored with a show after only 5 minutes." It looks like I decided correctly, and have saved myself another 115 minutes to do something else. I DVDed last night's episode just in case, but based on what I'm hearing, I don't think I'll bother to watch.

I'd read some reviews that the second episode was better / showed good indications of things to come, so I decided to watch it (I'd seen the pilot ages ago). I usually agree with the people I saw the reviews from, but not in this case. Waste o' time.

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But the rest of the show is a crap heap of "seen it all before". Plus, the crime stories are not that interesting.

And again, this is from somebody who watched every episode of Veronica Mars. Sorry, go on. Wink

Hahah, hilarious. The crime stories (outside of the major / seasonal ones) were never what I liked about Veronica Mars. They occasionally had some good ones, but how does a PI looking for a missing lab monkey compare with, say, a detective a looking for a murderer? Oh, right... poorly.

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Lost would kill for those 15-20 million viewers that CBS gets for many of their show

Incorrect. Quite the opposite. CBS would gladly trade in those extra 3-8 million viewers for higher demos. Based on the averages from 2006-07, GA was able to charge $419k for ads while CSI was only able to charge about $248k -- despite CSI having higher total viewer averages. Why? Because GA kills CSI in demos. WaT: $190k. B&S: $182k. Criminal Minds: $121k. CSI: Miami: $180k. CSI: NY: $140k. The Unit: only $98k. Heroes: $296k. Bones: $130k. Look at the ratings from last season. All these are roughly proportional to DEMO ratings.

ITA! Very well said, Ike.