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Don't you mean 3 shows and those are DH,GA and Lost

Don't you think it would dump any two of those to keep DWTS?

Probably not all three.

Probably.

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Eli Stone is obviously still in big trouble, but I thought that last night's ep was VERY good, IMO the first episode since the pilot that stopped sitting on their increasingly stale premise and indicated some real forward movement for the series. Unfortunately, as with so many shows, they probably took too long to "find their groove" or whatever.

Partly agree, partly disagree. I agree that last night was good, and that it moved the story forward even more. But I disagree that it was the first good one since the premiere. I think only the 2nd episode was sub-par, and the reason for the show's ratings drop is that they had their "bad" episode so early in the run. I think the show found its groove on episode 3, and has been chugging along ever since.

I think if there's one thing I would change about ES, it would be the musical numbers involving members of the show singing. It's one thing to have George Michael sing and another to have the show's regulars sing. I mean, the quality of the singing is fine, as several of them havea background in musicals, but I just don't think they're necessary. Eli's visions can guide him without having Victor Garber sing to him. That might be what's keeping some viewers away, and the musical number typically is shown early in each episode.

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Originally posted by lost_fan:

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Originally posted by robert:
But Lost and CM for example are not shows in danger of cancelation. Then why is everyone insisting that Lost is more succesfull than a show that is watched by more viewers. That's what bother me and i'll never agree with that.
We can also talk about demos, i don't have something against that, but i'm tired of everyone justifing Lost's numbers by the fact that it has good demos. OK so it brings more money to ABC. Why do you care about that? Do you recieve part of that money?

When you are making claims like 'ABC is not happy with the show' people will make counter arguments highlighting its financial power a large section of which stems from its performance among the 18-49s. If you don't want to talk about then you should not be making that argument in the first place. Lost is clearly a more successful show because Lost probably generates more money then CM through DVD and merchandise sales and licensing alone without even counting the ad $ (in which case lost also outperforms CM by more then 2to1)

Well do you really think ABC is happy with the numbers for Lost? I'm not saying the show isn't bringing money for them but i doubt those are the numbers they were expecting this season when almost everyone is in repeats due to the strike

I think the producer company of LOST buena vista sees more of those DVD's and merchandise money then ABC;-)

Disney Joining NBC, CBS in Putting Classics Online
from broadcastingcable.com

Disney plans to stream some of its classic shows -- and possibly films -- online, CEO Bob Iger told investors at its annual shareholder meeting. Unlike similar efforts by CBS and NBC, however, Disney has not decided whether to make the shows free or to form a subscription service for access.

“There is quite a demand out there for access to a wide range of archived products, and we have looked for new ways that we could distribute it, and one way that seems pretty evident that is very exciting to us is the Internet,” Iger said. “We have started to use aspects of Disney.com to distribute some of that product, but we believe that over time, in the near future, you will see a lot more of that product available in varying ways on Disney.com, either for free or as some kind of subscription service.”

Disney owns the rights a number of classic shows, including Davy Crockett and Zorro, which could be streamed on its Web site. Iger said the company is building a section of the site that will eventually be used as a repository for the programs.

“We are developing what I will call ‘classic Disney’ for Disney.com,” he added. “In the near future, you will gain access to a lot of that great stuff.”

NBC and CBS unveiled their own plans to stream classic shows online last month. CBS streams Star Trek and The Twilight Zone on a “TV Classics” section of CBS.com, while NBC streams shows such as Battlestar Galactica and The A-Team on its Web sites as well as on Hulu.

Iger did not give a timeline for when the company would make the classic programming available, but he said it would be “sooner rather than later.”

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Originally posted by lost_fan:

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Originally posted by robert:
But Lost and CM for example are not shows in danger of cancelation. Then why is everyone insisting that Lost is more succesfull than a show that is watched by more viewers. That's what bother me and i'll never agree with that.
We can also talk about demos, i don't have something against that, but i'm tired of everyone justifing Lost's numbers by the fact that it has good demos. OK so it brings more money to ABC. Why do you care about that? Do you recieve part of that money?

When you are making claims like 'ABC is not happy with the show' people will make counter arguments highlighting its financial power a large section of which stems from its performance among the 18-49s. If you don't want to talk about then you should not be making that argument in the first place. Lost is clearly a more successful show because Lost probably generates more money then CM through DVD and merchandise sales and licensing alone without even counting the ad $ (in which case lost also outperforms CM by more then 2to1)

I agree. ABC is very happy with Lost. It is just two shows that have kept them ticking this strike season.

Don't you mean 3 shows and those are DH,GA and Lost

No, I'm sure mushu meant that its one of only 2 shows that kept ABC competitive during the strike season, the other being Extreme Makeover: Home Edition.

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Why is everyone talking about LOST? Who cares about LOST, it's boring! How come no one is talking about the good Survivor last night. It did well in ratings back up into the 12 millions! If you didnt watch last night, it was one of the best episodes in awhile.

Loser's List From Me: Lipstick Jungle, Eli Stone, New Amsterdam

Winner's List From Me: Survivor, American Idol, and my least favorite show, LOST.

Because reality tv is poison for good written television shows like LOST.
I am all for DEATH TO REALITY TV

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ABC agreed to set an end date because they understand that the ratings along with the merchandise sales would go down if the show dragged on to its 8th season or something not because it not profitable for them.

ABC doesn't know what's going to happen with a show's ratings and ancillary stuff over the course of several years, any more than you do. Well, maybe a little more than you do.

They let it go because they hoped to increase interest in it once people knew there would be a definite end. It's been known to happen. A show says "This is the last season" and people come back to see the story end. Well, it usually works better with last EPISODES.

You have no idea how much money they are making. But anybody with a brain knows that corporations don't let go of a property until they've squeezed every last penny from it. So if they were making huge money last season, they'd have never agreed to limiting the number of eps. Q.E.D.

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If they let it end by the 6th season and it ends well ABC stands a chance profit even more as we all know they will be releasing umpteenth versions of box sets and people will buy them if they know that show ended well. They just released the video game which did quite well and they stand a chance to get into other forms of licensing. All of which would be diluted if they dragged the show to the 8th season.

[quote]Criminal minds is franchise based show. It can go on forever.

And in so doing, go on consistently making money, year after year. All the more because they don't have to shoot it in HAWAII.

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The comparison does not work.

I'm not the one who started this comparing profits of shows we don't have profit figures for thingy!

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Harry Potter books only have 7 books but they would still make a lot of money for warner bros and Rowling it would live on for hundreds of years as classic storytelling,

Oh yeah. Hundreds of years. Thousands. Millions.

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where as something like the The Famous Five novels which have like 25 books barely anyone even cares about anymore.

So I can't compare Lost and Criminal Minds, but you can compare Harry Potter to Famous Five, and both of them to TV shows?

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Apples and Oranges.

Oranges have better ancillary profits, because more people drink orange juice than cider.

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Because reality tv is poison for good written television shows like LOST.

Not that I have much room to talk, but kind of funny when you read it.

Can someone give me an average across the hour for New Amsterdam, please?

Thanks,
John

So we still haven't talked about AI eliminations one bit -- I'm mildly surprised that Cheekeze stayed over either Danny or Miami-Vice guy, and that bland/forgetable Kristi Cook stayed over Asia.

Thoughts?

see page 1 here

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Originally posted by John T. Folden:
Can someone give me an average across the hour for New Amsterdam, please?

Thanks,
John

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Originally posted by John T. Folden:
Can someone give me an average across the hour for New Amsterdam, please?

Thanks,
John

Instead of giving you the fish, I'll teach you how to fish:

add the half hour numbers and then divide by 2.

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by lost_fan:

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Originally posted by robert:
But Lost and CM for example are not shows in danger of cancelation. Then why is everyone insisting that Lost is more succesfull than a show that is watched by more viewers. That's what bother me and i'll never agree with that.
We can also talk about demos, i don't have something against that, but i'm tired of everyone justifing Lost's numbers by the fact that it has good demos. OK so it brings more money to ABC. Why do you care about that? Do you recieve part of that money?

When you are making claims like 'ABC is not happy with the show' people will make counter arguments highlighting its financial power a large section of which stems from its performance among the 18-49s. If you don't want to talk about then you should not be making that argument in the first place. Lost is clearly a more successful show because Lost probably generates more money then CM through DVD and merchandise sales and licensing alone without even counting the ad $ (in which case lost also outperforms CM by more then 2to1)

Well do you really think ABC is happy with the numbers for Lost? I'm not saying the show isn't bringing money for them but i doubt those are the numbers they were expecting this season when almost everyone is in repeats due to the strike

I think the producer company of LOST buena vista sees more of those DVD's and merchandise money then ABC;-)

Isn't buena vista now part of Disney-ABC TV? At least the television part of the old buena vista is, I beieve.

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Originally posted by John T. Folden:
Can someone give me an average across the hour for New Amsterdam, please?

Thanks,
John

Instead of giving you the fish, I'll teach you how to fish:

add the half hour numbers and then divide by 2.

OK, I'll be nice and give you the fish too: 10.572 million viewers, 3.65 in the demo.

Both numbers will go down in the final nationals, since American Idol ran over by a few minutes.

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Originally posted by lost_fan:
Lost is clearly a more successful show because Lost probably generates more money then CM through DVD and merchandise sales and licensing alone without even counting the ad $ (in which case lost also outperforms CM by more then 2to1)

For got to read the rest....

But Lost is only on 16 times a year. Criminal Minds is on 50 weeks a year, plus encore airings on some Saturdays and hole fillers. So CM will generate more money through the year than LOST can.


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Yes but the encore airings of probably don't generate enough ad revenue to make a significant dent (I mean an original episode gets 121k so an encore would get even lower). We obviously cannot go into detail about this as we donot have the necessary numbers but from the number we do have Lost Season 3 dvd was the fastest selling TV DVD (other then planet earth) of last season and had done about $50million worth business in US alone by the end of its 7th week and is on track on making atleast another 15-20 by the time everything is said and done. This site has weekly dvd numbers http://www.the-numbers.com/ With Criminal Minds I doubt they even bother releasing a DVD (if they do it certainly doesn't do well enough as I have not seen it on the sales charts).

I have season 1 of Criminal Minds on DVD and season 1 of Lost. waiting to they get cheaper then buy the other seasons.
If you go to amazon you will see CM is bought by quite a few.