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Silly TV-aholic, you can't just discuss Lost's TV ratings.

Yeah, and Trix are for kids!

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Originally posted by filmkr27:
I wish reaper would move permanently to Thursdays after Smallville.

What would you do with supernatural then?

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no, I think thats just the undercooked chicken from last night.

Good one!

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
YES, it was a great episode. But I still don't get getting rid of the stronger players while you still have 2 tribes.

Joel could still be voted out in a future TC (Fav's have Numbers) if you vote out the very weak Chet.

Joel has been an almost total failure in every challenge, just like Chet. This week, Joel was every bit as loss causing as Chet in the obstacle course and he was a bigger cause for the loss in the Immunity Challenge than Chet. Both are dead wood.

Well, Joel was right about there being a pattern (and what it looked like) during the Immunity Challenge.

As for pairing up those two during the Reward Challenge, whos BRIGHT idea was that? And to use it twice, no less. Thats the person that should have been voted off.

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And how many people will rush out to buy this season's Criminal Minds DVD set versus LOST's DVD set? Whatever LOST loses by fewer repeats it gets many times over in the much higher DVD sales.

I have no idea. I don't follow DVD sales, just TV ratings.

Silly TV-aholic, you can't just discuss Lost's TV ratings. Every other show ever aired can be discussed based on the regular ratings, but with Lost you have to include discussion of DVR viewing, online viewing (mostly illegal, because the legal online viewing isn't high enough to matter), nuts who watch the same episode 12 times in one week, the people standing in electronics stores watching on the big demo TVs, DVDs, VHSs, Laserdiscs, and special radio only presentations.

I see someone GREEN with envy!

ummm....what?

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Well last season it aired had similar competition then it has right now. I won't go into details as I posted the same thing last week as well but if you look at it the competition right now at Thu 9pm is higher then what Lost's competition was last year at Wed 10pm. ABC did not expect a sudden surge in ratings as it is not the kind of show that you can easily pick up back up if you stopped watching it for whatever reason (unless you catch up) Even this season it looks like new viewers tried to start watching the show but could not keep watching as they could not follow the plot and now it is back to the number of viewers it had last season which are the base audience(just like what happened in Season 2).

Yeah, but S2 had much higher ratings than S3.

And you're being a bit premature about assuming S4's ratings will be just as good as S3's. Even if the average is the same, it's going to be a shorter season, and yes, the competition is much weaker, when you factor in the strike shutting down the production of scripted TV. Reality shows can only take so many viewers from Lost.

I don't think it's gone as low as it's going to go, is the general gist of my remarks.

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Originally posted by Holly:

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Originally posted by Chimera:
And how many people will rush out to buy this season's Criminal Minds DVD set versus LOST's DVD set? Whatever LOST loses by fewer repeats it gets many times over in the much higher DVD sales.

I have no idea. I don't follow DVD sales, just TV ratings.

Silly TV-aholic, you can't just discuss Lost's TV ratings. Every other show ever aired can be discussed based on the regular ratings, but with Lost you have to include discussion of DVR viewing, online viewing (mostly illegal, because the legal online viewing isn't high enough to matter), nuts who watch the same episode 12 times in one week, the people standing in electronics stores watching on the big demo TVs, DVDs, VHSs, Laserdiscs, and special radio only presentations.

I see someone GREEN with envy!

ummm....what?

What "what?" You don't understand the phrase, or don't understand why I said it about you?

If it's the first, here's some info on the phrase:

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"Green with envy" was a colorful term used long before Mark Twain wrote these words about jealousy in the late-1800s. Today, the saying means that one is envious or covetous of someone or something.

If one is bitten "by the green-eyed monster," it's thought they are consumed with jealousy. With envy being one of the deadly sins, there's been a lot written about it since the beginning of time.

Color me "Green with envy"
If you go back a few hundred years to the 16th and 17th centuries, great authors such as Shakespeare and Chaucer wrote of characters who were green with envy.

Shakespeare uses green to describe jealousy at least three times in his works. In Othello, Iago refers to the "green-eyed monster." In Anthony and Cleopatra, Shakespeare wrote of the "green sickness," meaning jealousy. And in Merchant of Venice, he used the term "green-eyed jealousy."

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
As for pairing up those two during the Reward Challenge, whos BRIGHT idea was that? And to use it twice, no less. Thats the person that should have been voted off.

Elsewhere I read someone speculate that they were likely paired up because everyone else on the tribe quickly paired up with eachother, leaving them no choice. If you are Ozzy/Erik would you want to pair up with Chet or Joel? If you are Ami, Tracy, Amanda, or Cirie, would you want to pair up with Chet or Joel? No one wants to be tied to a piece of dead wood.

As for them being picked for competition twice, it is hard to say what really happened. there may have been random draws for who went or the competition may have been best 5 out of 8 or the opposing team may have been able to pick the other teams competing players each round. Survivor sometimes edits a lot out of the challenges.

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You dont care but the advertisers care.

GA is charging almost 60% more than CSI.. that's almost 1 million for 1 minute in promos only.

It's all about the money, not ratings.

I've asked this more than once on this forum, and never got an aswer, but... What are the ad rates for a repeat Episode of CSI and Grey's?

I can't imagine an advertiser paying that large sum of money for a repeat of Greys that may be luck to draw 5 million viewers and a 1.4 in the demo.

And we agreed on this forum that overall a show like CSI brings more money to CBS than GA to ABC. And CSI will bring money to CBS even in 2020. I doubt GA or even Lost will do that

Lost will it will become a cult classic like Twin Peaks, X-files and Buffy and Angel.
On the other hand i think Criminal Minds is much better then CSI. CSI has gone a bit stale

If you think New Amsterdam's ratings are bad, just wait until Canterbury's Law ratings comes in. I'm guessing Canterbury's will be one and out.

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If you think New Amsterdam's ratings are bad, just wait until Canterbury's Law ratings comes in. I'm guessing Canterbury's will be one and out.

But...but...she is a lawyer that isn't afraid to break the rules! How could anyone not like that?

I agree, the promos look awful.

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And how many people will rush out to buy this season's Criminal Minds DVD set versus LOST's DVD set? Whatever LOST loses by fewer repeats it gets many times over in the much higher DVD sales.

I have no idea. I don't follow DVD sales, just TV ratings.

Silly TV-aholic, you can't just discuss Lost's TV ratings. Every other show ever aired can be discussed based on the regular ratings, but with Lost you have to include discussion of DVR viewing, online viewing (mostly illegal, because the legal online viewing isn't high enough to matter), nuts who watch the same episode 12 times in one week, the people standing in electronics stores watching on the big demo TVs, DVDs, VHSs, Laserdiscs, and special radio only presentations.

I see someone GREEN with envy!

ummm....what?

What "what?" You don't understand the phrase, or don't understand why I said it about you?

If it's the first, here's some info on the phrase:

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"Green with envy" was a colorful term used long before Mark Twain wrote these words about jealousy in the late-1800s. Today, the saying means that one is envious or covetous of someone or something.

If one is bitten "by the green-eyed monster," it's thought they are consumed with jealousy. With envy being one of the deadly sins, there's been a lot written about it since the beginning of time.

Color me "Green with envy"
If you go back a few hundred years to the 16th and 17th centuries, great authors such as Shakespeare and Chaucer wrote of characters who were green with envy.

Shakespeare uses green to describe jealousy at least three times in his works. In Othello, Iago refers to the "green-eyed monster." In Anthony and Cleopatra, Shakespeare wrote of the "green sickness," meaning jealousy. And in Merchant of Venice, he used the term "green-eyed jealousy."

Yes, I was asking about a common idomatic phrase... because apparently I don't speak English, have never read Shakespeare, and don't know how to use Google.

What I meant was why in the world would fan's inablility to discuss the regular ratings of a TV show be a source of envy? Why would rating of a TV show be worth being envious at all?

Now it may end up sucking really bad, but the previews of CL have me wanting to watch this show. It LOOKS pretty good.
I will give it a sample this Monday Night.

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Originally posted by WelcomeToK-VilleBlueBloodUndercover:
If you think New Amsterdam's ratings are bad, just wait until Canterbury's Law ratings comes in. I'm guessing Canterbury's will be one and out.

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Originally posted by pisher:
I'm sure there's some truth in what you say below.

But in that case, how come Lost ends in season six (and really, allowing for the shorter seasons, more like season five)?

Anybody want to bet Criminal Minds will be over in six seasons?

Yes, Lost has an overarching story to tell, and CM doesn't.

And everybody knows that if it had gone on making ABC huge money, they would never have agreed to let it go as soon as they did.

And as I've said before, it's a GOOD thing the ratings went down. As long as they don't go too far down. And as long as the show doesn't drag its heels too much in terms of story developments and revelations, I don't think it'll fall far enough to make ABC end it early.

But I still wish they'd end it next season.

ABC agreed to set an end date because they understand that the ratings along with the merchandise sales would go down if the show dragged on to its 8th season or something not because it not profitable for them. If they let it end by the 6th season and it ends well ABC stands a chance profit even more as we all know they will be releasing umpteenth versions of box sets and people will buy them if they know that show ended well. They just released the video game which did quite well and they stand a chance to get into other forms of licensing. All of which would be diluted if they dragged the show to the 8th season.

Criminal minds is franchise based show. It can go on forever. The comparison does not work. Harry Potter books only have 7 books but they would still make a lot of money for warner bros and Rowling it would live on for hundreds of years as classic storytelling, where as something like the The Famous Five novels which have like 25 books barely anyone even cares about anymore. Apples and Oranges.

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But Lost and CM for example are not shows in danger of cancelation. Then why is everyone insisting that Lost is more succesfull than a show that is watched by more viewers. That's what bother me and i'll never agree with that.
We can also talk about demos, i don't have something against that, but i'm tired of everyone justifing Lost's numbers by the fact that it has good demos. OK so it brings more money to ABC. Why do you care about that? Do you recieve part of that money?

When you are making claims like 'ABC is not happy with the show' people will make counter arguments highlighting its financial power a large section of which stems from its performance among the 18-49s. If you don't want to talk about then you should not be making that argument in the first place. Lost is clearly a more successful show because Lost probably generates more money then CM through DVD and merchandise sales and licensing alone without even counting the ad $ (in which case lost also outperforms CM by more then 2to1)

I agree. ABC is very happy with Lost. It is just two shows that have kept them ticking this strike season.

Don't you mean 3 shows and those are DH,GA and Lost