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Originally posted by robert:
Firstly i think CSIM is actually more original than Lost which was a Survivor rip-off in the begining. Secondly 12-13 million is , no matter how you try to spin it, far from great for one of the most hyped shows i can remember

lol Robert, give it up. You are now acting Hillary Clinton, trying to avoid losing by throwing everything against the wall and hoping something would stick.

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Originally posted by robert:
But Lost and CM for example are not shows in danger of cancelation. Then why is everyone insisting that Lost is more succesfull than a show that is watched by more viewers. That's what bother me and i'll never agree with that.
We can also talk about demos, i don't have something against that, but i'm tired of everyone justifing Lost's numbers by the fact that it has good demos. OK so it brings more money to ABC. Why do you care about that? Do you recieve part of that money?

When you are making claims like 'ABC is not happy with the show' people will make counter arguments highlighting its financial power a large section of which stems from its performance among the 18-49s. If you don't want to talk about then you should not be making that argument in the first place. Lost is clearly a more successful show because Lost probably generates more money then CM through DVD and merchandise sales and licensing alone without even counting the ad $ (in which case lost also outperforms CM by more then 2to1)

Well do you really think ABC is happy with the numbers for Lost? I'm not saying the show isn't bringing money for them but i doubt those are the numbers they were expecting this season when almost everyone is in repeats due to the strike

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Yes I agree but then at the same time, I don't think they necessarily went to cable. I think things like cable news have benefited from the strike. Sure some people probably went to cable, but I think a lot of them just weren't watching in general.

You know, thats a great question for Marc.

Is the overall TV viewing (Broadcast & Cable) up or down from 5 years ago, 10 years, 15, 20 & 25 years ago?

I would be interested to see if its cable taking from Broadcast or "X-Box" and the Internet taking from TV.

Why is everyone talking about LOST? Who cares about LOST, it's boring! How come no one is talking about the good Survivor last night. It did well in ratings back up into the 12 millions! If you didnt watch last night, it was one of the best episodes in awhile.

Loser's List From Me: Lipstick Jungle, Eli Stone, New Amsterdam

Winner's List From Me: Survivor, American Idol, and my least favorite show, LOST.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
And what again is so original about CSI:Miami? Oh ya... . Last I checked TVLand, Fonzie was wearing those on Happy Days.

Well, Fonzie was not KNOWN for his sunglasses and I don't think he hardly was ever shown wearing any after season #2.

I think Chuck Cunningham too them with him when he left.

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by lost_fan:

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Originally posted by robert:
But Lost and CM for example are not shows in danger of cancelation. Then why is everyone insisting that Lost is more succesfull than a show that is watched by more viewers. That's what bother me and i'll never agree with that.
We can also talk about demos, i don't have something against that, but i'm tired of everyone justifing Lost's numbers by the fact that it has good demos. OK so it brings more money to ABC. Why do you care about that? Do you recieve part of that money?

When you are making claims like 'ABC is not happy with the show' people will make counter arguments highlighting its financial power a large section of which stems from its performance among the 18-49s. If you don't want to talk about then you should not be making that argument in the first place. Lost is clearly a more successful show because Lost probably generates more money then CM through DVD and merchandise sales and licensing alone without even counting the ad $ (in which case lost also outperforms CM by more then 2to1)

Well do you really think ABC is happy with the numbers for Lost? I'm not saying the show isn't bringing money for them but i doubt those are the numbers they were expecting this season when almost everyone is in repeats due to the strike

I think given the current situation, yes they are happy. Its right at where they were last year. Its kept their Thursday and their entire lineup up during the strike. Would they like higher numbers? Probably, but they really don't have many other options right now and Thursdays even during the strike have been competitive, at least more competitive than the Wed. 10pm slot Lost aired in last spring. I think Lost will do as well yet when it moves to 10pm, maybe even better.

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
And what again is so original about CSI:Miami? Oh ya... . Last I checked TVLand, Fonzie was wearing those on Happy Days.

Well, Fonzie was not KNOWN for his sunglasses and I don't think he hardly was ever shown wearing any after season #2.

I think Chuck Cunningham too them with him when he left.

Well, ABC Studios would be the one to benefit and Criminal Minds DVD sales, not CBS.

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Originally posted by lost_fan:

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Originally posted by robert:
But Lost and CM for example are not shows in danger of cancelation. Then why is everyone insisting that Lost is more succesfull than a show that is watched by more viewers. That's what bother me and i'll never agree with that.
We can also talk about demos, i don't have something against that, but i'm tired of everyone justifing Lost's numbers by the fact that it has good demos. OK so it brings more money to ABC. Why do you care about that? Do you recieve part of that money?

When you are making claims like 'ABC is not happy with the show' people will make counter arguments highlighting its financial power a large section of which stems from its performance among the 18-49s. If you don't want to talk about then you should not be making that argument in the first place. Lost is clearly a more successful show because Lost probably generates more money then CM through DVD and merchandise sales and licensing alone without even counting the ad $ (in which case lost also outperforms CM by more then 2to1)

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Originally posted by robert:
Firstly i think CSIM is actually more original than Lost which was a Survivor rip-off in the begining. Secondly 12-13 million is , no matter how you try to spin it, far from great for one of the most hyped shows i can remember

lol Robert, give it up. You are now acting Hillary Clinton, trying to avoid losing by throwing everything against the wall and hoping something would stick.

I think she's just hangin in there and judging by the results of Super Tuesday II, she's not out of it yet but enough of that stuff. This isn't a political forum.

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Originally posted by lost_fan:
Lost is clearly a more successful show because Lost probably generates more money then CM through DVD and merchandise sales and licensing alone without even counting the ad $ (in which case lost also outperforms CM by more then 2to1)

For got to read the rest....

But Lost is only on 16 times a year. Criminal Minds is on 50 weeks a year, plus encore airings on some Saturdays and hole fillers. So CM will generate more money through the year than LOST can.


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Hahah, hilarious.

Thank you sir, I endeavour to give satisfaction.

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The crime stories (outside of the major / seasonal ones) were never what I liked about Veronica Mars.

They sure took up a lot of time, though.

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They occasionally had some good ones, but how does a PI looking for a missing lab monkey compare with, say, a detective a looking for a murderer? Oh, right... poorly.

From a story perspective, who's looking for what is beside the point. Somebody's looking for something. It's a procedural, working with a formula that has certain demands, that are either met well or poorly. And in the case of both VM and NA, it was the latter. Now, if somebody happens to like looking at Kristen Bell, that poorly planned procedural plotline is going to seem a lot less of a problem than if he's watching some Melancholy Dane.

It's not the SAME thing, and I never said it was. I would certainly say VM was, in its early days, more fun to watch than NA, if only because it took itself less seriously (in the early days).

But NA doesn't suck because the mysteries suck, though that doesn't help. It sucks because the characters suck. And for most of its run, VM had the same problem.

Forever Knight was good cheesy fun to watch, even though the mysteries were rarely that good. Because the performances were fun to watch. There were interesting relationships going on, of all different types.

Not the case with NA.

And for most of its, not with VM, although they STARTED with interesting relationships. They just started to overthink it.

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Originally posted by vlis:
never mind; just remebered they all start of "csi"

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name that tune

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Originally posted by robert:
There are 7-8 shows on CBS that do better (in viewers) than Lost

So? Godd for CBS that they can produce 3 similar shows and still get great numbers. Poor Lost is dong so-so now, think how "weel" a Lost spin-off would do

What? I agree Lost's numbers are down but the show continues to do well week after week. Give it up already would ya? It grows out of its lead in by 7 million every week. Just because Lost hasn't sprung off 2 copycat nearly identical spinoffs doesn't make it a loser. I think spinning of the CSIs was a major waste of resources and just increased the amount of procedurals for CBS. Sure they pull pretty good numbers, but there's no originality there. Same with the Private Practice spinoff, which as much as I've enjoyed, its really just a knock off too. Lost is one of the most mind-boggling shows on all of network TV. Great suspense to it. If you don't like it, that's fine. Don't watch it, but don't say because a show hasn't had a spinoff that it isn't doing well.

Firstly i think CSIM is actually more original than Lost which was a Survivor rip-off in the begining. Secondly 12-13 million is , no matter how you try to spin it, far from great for one of the most hyped shows i can remember

robert, I think what you are not getting is that the hype is not coming from the network but from the fans. Yes, it may get 12-13 million viewers right now, but those viewers watch and rewatch, and disect every frame of the show, and talk about it online, discuss theories, buy the DVDs, look for easter eggs, buy the games, etc, etc, etc. As I said before, ABC only heavily advertised the season premiere -- after that, the only knowledge I have from my television that LOST is on next week is from the end of the show "preview." How is that hype? What you are perceiving as hype is in fact genuine enthusiasm for the show, something extremely rare in these days. And name one of the shows you mentioned above as having equal or higher viewer numbers, that comes close to that? The only one that even comes close is Survivor, and it's not close enough. The rest are just people being in a routine and killing time. And you seem to be upset about the fact that a show with seemingly lower viewership can be more "popular" -- that's the reason.

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Originally posted by robert:
Well do you really think ABC is happy with the numbers for Lost? I'm not saying the show isn't bringing money for them but i doubt those are the numbers they were expecting this season when almost everyone is in repeats due to the strike

Yes, I think ABC is more then happy with these numbers. It hasn't lost viewers then the same time last year (it is up slightly year to year). ABC went in expecting hoping for the same numbers as last year's spring, beyond that every additional viewer is just an added bonus. It does not matter whether other shows are in repeats or not, it is not the kind of show that most people who are looking to pass time during the strike can tune into (and keep watching). There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that strike boasts any shows' ratings. No other drama that has original episodes has shown significant year to year gains during the strike months other shows like Law and Order, FNL and Medium are getting around the same as they were last year. Even American Idol which is a show that stands the most to gain out of strike hasn't shown any improvement in its number and is infact down year to year. In time where most shows have been down year to year ( some by significant amounts), Lost is a winner for holding its audience from the previous season and you can bet ABC is happy with that.

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Firstly i think CSIM is actually more original than Lost which was a Survivor rip-off in the begining. Secondly 12-13 million is , no matter how you try to spin it, far from great for one of the most hyped shows i can remember

You can't make critics to a show because it is hyped. If it's hyped, good for the show, the media likes it. It's not like the show HAS do deliver better numbers because the media likes it. If your show isn't hyped, don't start making critics to the ones who are, just do the usual thing: say it is underrated and try to get some useless awards.

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:

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Originally posted by lost_fan:
Lost is clearly a more successful show because Lost probably generates more money then CM through DVD and merchandise sales and licensing alone without even counting the ad $ (in which case lost also outperforms CM by more then 2to1)

For got to read the rest....

But Lost is only on 16 times a year. Criminal Minds is on 50 weeks a year, plus encore airings on some Saturdays and hole fillers. So CM will generate more money through the year than LOST can.


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And how many people will rush out to buy this season's Criminal Minds DVD set versus LOST's DVD set? Whatever LOST loses by fewer repeats it gets many times over in the much higher DVD sales.