Originally posted by the128boy: This should put to rest the ridiculous reasoning behind "well, cold case, csi:ny, criminal minds, and ncis all came back weaker because of the months-long strike"... so what??
Not necessarily. The take away here is that comedies make better spring returns than dramas.
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Originally posted by TravisYanan: Thursday original finals and network averages. I don't think Step It Up & Dance did well enough to warrant continuing coverage...
SHOW/NET HH A18-49 Viewers A18-34
ABC 3.7/6 1.6/4 5,439,000
CBS 9.7/16 4.5/12 15,422,000
NBC 4.7/8 3.4/9 7,313,000
FOX 9.3/15 5.5/14 15,514,000
CW 1.2/2 0.7/2 1,753,000 0.6/2
ELI STONE 4.0/7 1.8/5 5,879,000
SURVIVOR 6.8/11 3.9/11 11,587,000
CSI 12.5/19 5.9/15 20,094,000
WITHOUT A TRACE (10:01pm) 9.7/16 3.8/10 14,493,000
MY NAME IS EARL 4.4/7 3.1/9 7,086,000
30 ROCK 3.7/6 2.7/7 5,771,000
THE OFFICE 5.4/8 4.9/12 9,334,000
SCRUBS (9:31pm) 4.1/6 3.4/8 6,579,000
E.R. (10:01pm) 5.2/9 3.1/8 7,523,000
AMERICAN IDOL 12.0/19 7.0/19 20,133,000
DON'T FORGET THE LYRICS 6.6/10 4.0/10 10,895,000
STEP IT UP & DANCE 0.5/1 0.3/1 633,000
YES! The Office up a tick in the finals. The means it bested the last original ep before the strike, to become the second highest ep this season. Only .2 behind the record.
This should put to rest the ridiculous reasoning behind "well, cold case, csi:ny, criminal minds, and ncis all came back weaker because of the months-long strike"... so what??
A few strong shows have seen larger numbers post-strike while older shows continue to age. This should surprise no one.
What do you mean by "older shows"? The Office is also an "older show"
CSI NY is doing like before the strike and CM and NCIS came back weaker beacuuse they're up against AI not beacause of the strike.
And look at that: with all the records you're talking about poor The Office still doesn't even come close to those CBS shows you hate so much. Well maybe CBS will come down as you say and in 4-5 years or so The Office might tie some of those shows
Not saying the franchise isn't worthy of praise, but like all programs, there comes a point when a show needs a break and continuing to air it twice a year is only going to keep the declines going. If CBS wants to win Thursdays in the demo next fall, they're going to need some fresh blood on Thursdays. Unfortunately, there are no shows they could just transplant at this point and have a guaranteed 5.0 plus demo needed to give the night back to them.
I don't necessarily disagree with that point. CBS definitely needs to find a successor for the 8:00, Thursday timeslot. However, without a successor show in the wings, a network would really be deemed to be "run by chimps" if they were to pull a show out of that important of a slot, when it continues to win in said timeslot (demo and viewers) against regularly scheduled competition.
Originally posted by robert: CSI NY is doing like before the strike and CM and NCIS came back weaker beacuuse they're up against AI not beacause of the strike.
And looking at it year to year.....
CM is doing similar to a year ago this time, and NCIS posted numbers like it did the other nite late last spring as well.
COLD CASE is down and NY would have to be classed as weaker since last year it was facing LOST and MEDIUM origs, not L&O repeats and no LOST.
Year to year's only tell you so much, but so do fall/spring comparisons with IDOL in the picture.
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Not saying the franchise isn't worthy of praise, but like all programs, there comes a point when a show needs a break and continuing to air it twice a year is only going to keep the declines going. If CBS wants to win Thursdays in the demo next fall, they're going to need some fresh blood on Thursdays. Unfortunately, there are no shows they could just transplant at this point and have a guaranteed 5.0 plus demo needed to give the night back to them.
I don't necessarily disagree with that point. CBS definitely needs to find a successor for the 8:00, Thursday timeslot. However, without a successor show in the wings, a network would really be deemed to be "run by chimps" if they were to pull a show out of that important of a slot, when it continues to win in said timeslot (demo and viewers) against regularly scheduled competition.
I've been thinking a bit along mushu's lines but the hour of greater concern as they look at the night is 10pm.
WAT is hanging tough for now but which do you like to hang tough next year - SURVIVOR or WAT?
And if they try a new show next year at 10pm, and I'm guessing they are tempted but won't, SURVIVOR becomes more key.
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Originally posted by robert: CSI NY is doing like before the strike and CM and NCIS came back weaker beacuuse they're up against AI not beacause of the strike.
And look at that: with all the records you're talking about poor The Office still doesn't even come close to those CBS shows you hate so much. Well maybe CBS will come down as you say and in 4-5 years or so The Office might tie some of those shows
Well, that's according to you. I've seen some blame the lower numbers because of the strike. So you're point is irrelevant to my post.
As for The Office beating CBS's CSI:NY, NCIS, and Criminal Minds in 4-5 years. Yeah, it'll beat them, because they will all have been cancelled by then due to poor ratings. :-)
Originally posted by TravisYanan: Thursday original finals and network averages. I don't think Step It Up & Dance did well enough to warrant continuing coverage...
SHOW/NET HH A18-49 Viewers A18-34
ABC 3.7/6 1.6/4 5,439,000
CBS 9.7/16 4.5/12 15,422,000
NBC 4.7/8 3.4/9 7,313,000
FOX 9.3/15 5.5/14 15,514,000
CW 1.2/2 0.7/2 1,753,000 0.6/2
ELI STONE 4.0/7 1.8/5 5,879,000
SURVIVOR 6.8/11 3.9/11 11,587,000
CSI 12.5/19 5.9/15 20,094,000
WITHOUT A TRACE (10:01pm) 9.7/16 3.8/10 14,493,000
MY NAME IS EARL 4.4/7 3.1/9 7,086,000
30 ROCK 3.7/6 2.7/7 5,771,000
THE OFFICE 5.4/8 4.9/12 9,334,000
SCRUBS (9:31pm) 4.1/6 3.4/8 6,579,000
E.R. (10:01pm) 5.2/9 3.1/8 7,523,000
AMERICAN IDOL 12.0/19 7.0/19 20,133,000
DON'T FORGET THE LYRICS 6.6/10 4.0/10 10,895,000
STEP IT UP & DANCE 0.5/1 0.3/1 633,000
YES! The Office up a tick in the finals. The means it bested the last original ep before the strike, to become the second highest ep this season. Only .2 behind the record.
This should put to rest the ridiculous reasoning behind "well, cold case, csi:ny, criminal minds, and ncis all came back weaker because of the months-long strike"... so what??
A few strong shows have seen larger numbers post-strike while older shows continue to age. This should surprise no one.
What do you mean by "older shows"? The Office is also an "older show"
The Office doesn't air on the geezer net, therefore its not older skewing. Honestly, I bet the Office makes more money in a half hour for NBC than Criminal Minds, CSI:NY, and Cold Case do for CBS (of course, you'd have to only look at 50% of what they bring in since they're hour long programming).
Originally posted by robert: CSI NY is doing like before the strike and CM and NCIS came back weaker beacuuse they're up against AI not beacause of the strike.
And look at that: with all the records you're talking about poor The Office still doesn't even come close to those CBS shows you hate so much. Well maybe CBS will come down as you say and in 4-5 years or so The Office might tie some of those shows
Well, that's according to you. I've seen some blame the lower numbers because of the strike. So you're point is irrelevant to my post.
As for The Office beating CBS's CSI:NY, NCIS, and Criminal Minds in 4-5 years. Yeah, it'll beat them, because they will all have been cancelled by then due to poor ratings. :-)
NCIS will likely still be around as will Criminal Minds. Not so sure though about CSI:NY and Cold Case.
Originally posted by robert: CSI NY is doing like before the strike and CM and NCIS came back weaker beacuuse they're up against AI not beacause of the strike.
And look at that: with all the records you're talking about poor The Office still doesn't even come close to those CBS shows you hate so much. Well maybe CBS will come down as you say and in 4-5 years or so The Office might tie some of those shows
Well, that's according to you. I've seen some blame the lower numbers because of the strike. So you're point is irrelevant to my post.
As for The Office beating CBS's CSI:NY, NCIS, and Criminal Minds in 4-5 years. Yeah, it'll beat them, because they will all have been cancelled by then due to poor ratings. :-)
NCIS will likely still be around as will Criminal Minds. Not so sure though about CSI:NY and Cold Case.
Do you honestly think they can survive that long solely with their total viewership numbers? I'm not disagreeing... i guess. I just can't imagine even CBS keeping them on the air if they get say, 9 mil and a 1.8 in the demo.
Which i think those levels are coming sooner rather than later.
And again, i'm not a CBS hater, i just think they are making mistakes right now. They need to 1) not let go of Christine or Big Bang, 2) invest in more comedies, and 3)sacrifice some of their weeker procedurals for the benefit of the stronger ones.
They remind me of NBC a few years ago. They are definately becoming too complacent with being #1.
30 Rock (Viewers: #3, 5.72 million; A18-49: #3, 2.7/ 7),
Isn't it wonderful that we are getting a 3rd season of this.
I don't get why NBC continues to air this show. its Demo isn't even that good.
wow. I'm glad we decide how good a show is based in its ratings. Forget the fact that it has a loyal fan base, critical acclaim, and is actually a hilarious show.
wow. I'm glad we decide how good a show is based in its ratings. Forget the fact that it has a loyal fan base, critical acclaim, and is actually a hilarious show.
Yeah, it's so stupid to talk about ratings on a forum devoted to talking about ratings. Don't people realize that Marc only started pifeedback as a haven for the disgruntled fans of overrated flops?
wow. I'm glad we decide how good a show is based in its ratings. Forget the fact that it has a loyal fan base, critical acclaim, and is actually a hilarious show.
He didn't knock the show, he knocked the ratings.
Either way, NBC is justified in renewing the show based on the uptick in ratings from the first season, their poor development state and compatibility with the other comedy shows on the net... That says more about the state of NBC than the performance of the show, which is decidedly poor.
If the show were actually funny it would be a plus for everyone, but you can't have everything...
Honestly, I bet the Office makes more money in a half hour for NBC than Criminal Minds, CSI:NY, and Cold Case do for CBS (of course, you'd have to only look at 50% of what they bring in since they're hour long programming).
