Originally posted by samcat913: You got it..nothing but failure for their new shows. Cavemen, Carpoolers, DSM, Big Shots, WMC, PD and probably SW (which can't survive without a Dancing Lead-in).
Only PP looks like it can make it into a second season, and it AIN'T a Grey's Anatomy. What a terrible new show track record.
ABC will be a shambles when Dancing returns and will finish the season in 3rd, maybe even 4th place. (NBC has announced a pretty good strike schedule)
This will be worse than a replay of 06-7.
ABC should already prepare to get shut down, with their poor performance in the sweeps and all!
Certainly ABC must envy the new hits on other networks like KVille, Nashville, NGAB, B2U...
"What a terrible new show track record." After all, ABC only could get 5/5 of top new shows.
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Originally posted by samcat913: You got it..nothing but failure for their new shows. Cavemen, Carpoolers, DSM, Big Shots, WMC, PD and probably SW (which can't survive without a Dancing Lead-in).
Only PP looks like it can make it into a second season, and it AIN'T a Grey's Anatomy. What a terrible new show track record.
ABC will be a shambles when Dancing returns and will finish the season in 3rd, maybe even 4th place. (NBC has announced a pretty good strike schedule)
This will be worse than a replay of 06-7.
ABC should already prepare to get shut down, with their poor performance in the sweeps and all!
Certainly ABC must envy the new hits on other networks like KVille, Nashville, NGAB, B2U...
They are in Chicago right now. (Yeah!) Can't wait to find out which places they pick. (Hope it's not a place I've been to and find out about their unsanitary kitchen conditions.)
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Originally posted by PennNova: I would have liked to see Kitchen Nightmares get into the 7 millions, but those are still solid numbers coming off lowly rated repeats as lead-ins. I missed the first 20 minutes of the episode though. Did anyone else see the finale? I'm hoping next season they come to my hometown; I've already seen advertisements by the show's producers.
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Yep. Its a bonefide success for Fox this fall. Easily their best new show.
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Originally posted by xwiseguyx: Kitchen Nightmares was the only new show on that night and overall did OK, not horrible, not great (but given the lead-in, pretty good). The other shows were repeats and probably did numbers along the line of what was expected by Fox.
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Originally posted by Zitrone:
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Originally posted by xwiseguyx: 3.0 demo during the second half of Kitchen Nightmares (the only original programming) is hardly horrible.
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Originally posted by Zitrone: Another night of horrible ratings for Fox.
Right, what about the other three 1/2-hours? Or the fact that the sitcom TD repeats so poorly? Fox under-performs once again, without AI and House this network would be a complete failure.
Originally posted by samcat913: We got it..nothing but failure for our new shows. Cavemen, Carpoolers, Dirty Sexy Money, Big Shots, Woman's Murder Club, Pushing Daisies and probably Samantha Who (which can't survive without a Dancing Lead-in). And everything else that we plan to debut for the next 5 years. Only Private Practice looks like it can make it into a second season, and it AIN'T a Grey's Anatomy. What a terrible new show track record.
We will be a shambles when Dancing returns and will finish the season in 3rd, maybe even 4th place. NBC has announced a pretty good strike schedule
This will be worse than a replay of 06-7.
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Originally posted by Zitrone: "What a terrible new show track record." After all, ABC only could get 5/5 of top new shows.
Season averages are a bit deceiving with ABC's shows this year. They all started out with good numbers, but with the exception of PP and WMC, they loose viewers week after week. That is the problem. PD, DSM, Big Shots, Carpoolers, and Cavemen all consistently drop in the ratings from week to week. Samantha Who? seems unable to get much of an audience without DWTS handing it 20 million viewers.
On the other hand, shows like Chuck, Life, and Moonlight have been able to hold on to more of their audiences and are now posting better numbers than the ABC shows.
Originally posted by Zitrone: "What a terrible new show track record." After all, ABC only could get 5/5 of top new shows.
Season averages are a bit deceiving with ABC's shows this year. They all started out with good numbers, but with the exception of PP and WMC, they loose viewers week after week. That is the problem. PD, DSM, Big Shots, Carpoolers, and Cavemen all consistently drop in the ratings from week to week. Samantha Who? seems unable to get much of an audience without DWTS handing it 20 million viewers.
On the other hand, shows like Chuck, Life, and Moonlight have been able to hold on to more of their audiences and are now posting better numbers than the ABC shows.
Season averages are deceiving for all shows. Three of the shows you mentioned in declines are outright failures and will not be returning next year. The only shows with significant declines that have decent shots at renewal are PD and DSM. Samantha Who's lead in has been dropped in half- over 10 million less at times. Yet that show has maintained better ratings than any other new comedy on ABC in years. Once Dancing Wars gets back as the lead in it will be fine and I would be surprised if ABC didn't reair these episodes later on when the original Dancing is back on the air for more exposure. Private Practice has easily become the number one new show of the year and its margin could be much wider if it weren't for some really dumb programming moves. On the other hand, only Chuck has managed to really get a steady stable audience around. Moonlight has been somewhat consistent and has drug down a once very solid CBS Friday. It will get axed at the end of the year unless CBS has no new shows because I still see them keeping Amazing Race on the schedule and I think that there's a shot that a new hour of comedies will be developed. That leaves only 1 hour worth of time to develop (Tuesday at 10) and even that hour may be filled if Jericho manages to do well behind the younger skewing Big Brother. Life may have stabilized but this show's best shot is still on older skewing Fridays.
Originally posted by Zitrone: "What a terrible new show track record." After all, ABC only could get 5/5 of top new shows.
Season averages are a bit deceiving with ABC's shows this year. They all started out with good numbers, but with the exception of PP and WMC, they loose viewers week after week. That is the problem. PD, DSM, Big Shots, Carpoolers, and Cavemen all consistently drop in the ratings from week to week. Samantha Who? seems unable to get much of an audience without DWTS handing it 20 million viewers.
On the other hand, shows like Chuck, Life, and Moonlight have been able to hold on to more of their audiences and are now posting better numbers than the ABC shows.
I suppose ABC shows should have started at abysmal levels like Life or ML to be deemed success of the season (not that Life or ML has improved since, mind you).
SW has dropped for sure, but not only did it lose DWTS, it also doesn't much of a lead-in at all now and has changed timeslot. Besides, not all shows can get ratings so high even with huge lead-ins (see BS). So yes it has suffered in ratings with weird programming but it also now airs in the Christmas/repeat period. Same goes for PD, the only original hour on ABC this last episode after a two-weeks break, a change of time-slot the previous week (when with a lead-in for the first time, it increased to 10m viewers) and an airing on Thanksgiving before that. Hardly significant at all, even if ABC is to blame. For that one week, when every other network would like to have a new show reaching PD numbers.
Who knows how much they would get without the strike? The only objective data is the season average, and as far as new shows go, ABC is a clear winner.
I'd like to see what numbers B2U would get now paired with repeats of TD. Life is still around 6m viewers, and ML doesn't do much better.
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Originally posted by Zitrone: "What a terrible new show track record." After all, ABC only could get 5/5 of top new shows.
Season averages are a bit deceiving with ABC's shows this year. They all started out with good numbers, but with the exception of PP and WMC, they loose viewers week after week. That is the problem. PD, DSM, Big Shots, Carpoolers, and Cavemen all consistently drop in the ratings from week to week. Samantha Who? seems unable to get much of an audience without DWTS handing it 20 million viewers.
On the other hand, shows like Chuck, Life, and Moonlight have been able to hold on to more of their audiences and are now posting better numbers than the ABC shows.
You are very wise. Zitrone should listen to your words of wisdom.
Originally posted by Zitrone: "What a terrible new show track record." After all, ABC only could get 5/5 of top new shows.
Season averages are a bit deceiving with ABC's shows this year. They all started out with good numbers, but with the exception of PP and WMC, they loose viewers week after week. That is the problem. PD, DSM, Big Shots, Carpoolers, and Cavemen all consistently drop in the ratings from week to week. Samantha Who? seems unable to get much of an audience without DWTS handing it 20 million viewers.
On the other hand, shows like Chuck, Life, and Moonlight have been able to hold on to more of their audiences and are now posting better numbers than the ABC shows.
You are very wise. Zitrone should listen to your words of wisdom.
Originally posted by Zitrone: "What a terrible new show track record." After all, ABC only could get 5/5 of top new shows.
Season averages are a bit deceiving with ABC's shows this year. They all started out with good numbers, but with the exception of PP and WMC, they loose viewers week after week. That is the problem. PD, DSM, Big Shots, Carpoolers, and Cavemen all consistently drop in the ratings from week to week. Samantha Who? seems unable to get much of an audience without DWTS handing it 20 million viewers.
On the other hand, shows like Chuck, Life, and Moonlight have been able to hold on to more of their audiences and are now posting better numbers than the ABC shows.
I suppose ABC shows should have started at abysmal levels like Life or ML to be deemed success of the season (not that Life or ML has improved since, mind you).
SW has dropped for sure, but not only did it lose DWTS, it also doesn't much of a lead-in at all now and has changed timeslot. Besides, not all shows can get ratings so high even with huge lead-ins (see BS). So yes it has suffered in ratings with weird programming but it also now airs in the Christmas/repeat period. Same goes for PD, the only original hour on ABC this last episode after a two-weeks break, a change of time-slot the previous week (when with a lead-in for the first time, it increased to 10m viewers) and an airing on Thanksgiving before that. Hardly significant at all, even if ABC is to blame. For that one week, when every other network would like to have a new show reaching PD numbers.
Who knows how much they would get without the strike? The only objective data is the season average, and as far as new shows go, ABC is a clear winner.
I'd like to see what numbers B2U would get now paired with repeats of TD. Life is still around 6m viewers, and ML doesn't do much better.
Perhaps Samcat should start listening to your "words of wisdom".
