Originally posted by blackfury: Dollhouse, last week, was a lot better than the prior episodes. I did not realize it was supposed to be a game changer until after the fact. I don't think Fox has much confidence in the show. If they did, they would have put the "game changer" after Idol to give it some real exposure. It's also hard to launch a show on Fridays. I am amazed that people are not watching TV on Fridays given the economy, but oh well, I guess it is better than what the media is saying and I am one of the few whose so broke that I am actually watching tv on that night.
i agree Dollhouse has never gotten a chance. Every show that would get this treatment by a network would fail. They could have aired it at 8 and then Terminator after Dollhouse, i bet Dollhouse would have more viewers now if they did that
No show can survive under this treatment. Even Desperate Housewives. If ABC put that on a friday after a show with little over 3 million viewers it would not be on the air right now.
FOX has pissed Whedon in the neck and i hope he does something about it. telling everybody FOX is gonna stab you in the back
Dollhouse got tons of promotion. Tons! It hasn't panned out. Even with the large amounts of internet viewers, its still not adding up. You have to have a base of actual TV viewers yet and it just doesn't. Fox didn't care for what they saw creatively and so it was pushed to Friday. Its not like they were really out of options. For God's sake, they have Lie to Me, perhaps the blandest procedural ever airing on Wednesdays. I'm sure they would've lost no sleep trying that elsewhere if it meant a big genre hit with Dollhouse. Ya its lead in sucks but the competition is next to nothing. Desperate Housewives has an audience. It would pull well over 3 million on a Friday.
As for Wheedon, he's produced no major hits. Not one. Buffy doesn't count. It aired on the WB and UPN where 3 million was a hit. Fox just as well let him walk.
Originally posted by Mredman: FOX has pissed Whedon in the neck and i hope he does something about it. telling everybody FOX is gonna stab you in the back
I only speak English, so I really have no idea what you just said. Did you mean to suggest that FOX has been unfair to Whedon by giving him another series and another year of high income?
You don't agree with most people posting here, then.
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Every show that would get this treatment by a network would fail.
Then every show would fail, because most shows don't get treated this well. They gave him a big budget, plenty of freedom, lots of promotion. And if he'd given him something they could run with, they'd have given him a better timeslot too. But c'mon--you can NOT seriously say the ratings are this low because of the timeslot. There are a number of long-running shows on Friday. Dollhouse isn't one of them BECAUSE IT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH.
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They could have aired it at 8 and then Terminator after Dollhouse, i bet Dollhouse would have more viewers now if they did that
And if the opposite was true, you'd still blame them, because you can't accept that most of this is Whedon's fault, for coming up with an incredibly tough concept to work with, and building it around such a limited actress. Hot, yes. Able to play a wide range of personalities, NO.
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No show can survive under this treatment.
Tell that to The Ghost Whisperer.
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Even Desperate Housewives. If ABC put that on a friday after a show with little over 3 million viewers it would not be on the air right now.
So FOX should have treated Dollhouse like it was Desperate Housewives?
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FOX has pissed Whedon in the neck
Ew!
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and i hope he does something about it.
Like what?
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telling everybody FOX is gonna stab you in the back
So then all the other producers would be like "Screw your money, FOX network! Joss Whedon has opened our eyes! We wouldn't work for you if you paid us--how much? Joss Who?"
Here we are once again, people sticking up for Dollhouse. It wouldn't be a Saturday without that happened, would it?
Come on, Dollhouse is a failure. It wouldn't work if it aired after American Idol, and it isn't working on Fridays. People aren't interested in it, and that's the bottom line.
And I disagree with that comparison to Desperate Housewives. Every Sunday, it brings in 15 million of its own viewers, with a 10 million lead-in. I'm sure it would do similarly the same if it were airing Fridays at 9pm, because its a weel-established show with its own fanbase. That comparison makes absolutely no sense. Seems like desperation to me
Posted 28 March 2009 12:09 PM Hide Post I am not a big believer in the power of Internet hype to influence the Nielsen ratings, but I have to wonder now if all that Episode 6 hype helped prop the show up last week, even in the face of the BSG finale.
I think you may be onto something--given how low the ratings are, even a small increase means something.
They were scared BSG would really decimate the ratings--so they talked up last week's ep online, saying "This is the gamechanger, don't miss it!"
Problem was, it wasn't a gamechanger--sure, some people bought into the hype, but many others were disappointed, and figured "If this is as good as it gets, I'm outta here."
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No excuses this week.
Dude--they're still making excuses for Firefly.
pisher i have a question? have you even seen this show? beacause it pisses me off when someone talks sh17 about something they dont even know about. im gonna be honest the show wasnt really that great until last weeks episode, but ive seen some creative improvement.
Spinning off from the current discussion and on to the point you make about the complicated production line on broadcast. I maintain this is a major problem with broadcast quality.
Huge ensemble casts, then the proliferation of storylines to accomodate them, and producer credits stretching well into the early minutes of the show. Outcome, a diluted, fragmented product that often appears to be the result of creative 'negotiations.'
If you look at most cable shows, whether you like the show or not, their game is much tighter.
But that's also because their talent scouting is tighter. They hire people who convince them they have a strong vision worth respecting.
Whedon mainly hasn't shown a strong vision--he did with Buffy, at first--he'd had years to think about why the movie hadn't worked, and he didn't have a lot of money to play around with--he had to be focused at WB, which was almost like a cable network back then.
So what has he done since? A spinoff of his one hit. A SciFi/Western that didn't seem to get either genre very well. A really high concept piece about a woman who is many women, played by a woman who can really only be ONE woman.
Truth is, he doesn't go to cable because cable wouldn't take him. Not unless he got his game tight again, the way it was back when he and Greenwalt were developing Buffy.
Originally posted by Marc Berman: Why would that not work if TGIF did well on the night for years?
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Originally posted by tv avenger: I think abc should scrap their entire fri night of scripted and or reality shows for next season and do what works for Lifetime on sat. night and that is a night of original movies. Marc please dont say abc should fill the night with Disney channel fodder because seriously it wont work.
Because the only people interested in them are kids. Because ABC has already tried airing Disney programming in prime time and failed. Because kids have already seen them on Disney and no way enough adults want to watch those terrible shows.
I don't think Disney would do much good airing the 20th rerun of a Hannah Montana episode on Friday nights. But something new produced in the Disney sitcom style might work well for them.
And I disagree that only kids are interested in these shows. I know of many adult fans who watch Hannah Montana. (And iCarly over on Nick which, while not a Disney Channel show, is in the same genre.) And many more would sample them if they were on a broadcast network rather than a "kids channel."
Originally posted by blackfury: Dollhouse, last week, was a lot better than the prior episodes. I did not realize it was supposed to be a game changer until after the fact. I don't think Fox has much confidence in the show. If they did, they would have put the "game changer" after Idol to give it some real exposure. It's also hard to launch a show on Fridays. I am amazed that people are not watching TV on Fridays given the economy, but oh well, I guess it is better than what the media is saying and I am one of the few whose so broke that I am actually watching tv on that night.
i agree Dollhouse has never gotten a chance. Every show that would get this treatment by a network would fail. They could have aired it at 8 and then Terminator after Dollhouse, i bet Dollhouse would have more viewers now if they did that
No show can survive under this treatment. Even Desperate Housewives. If ABC put that on a friday after a show with little over 3 million viewers it would not be on the air right now.
FOX has pissed Whedon in the neck and i hope he does something about it. telling everybody FOX is gonna stab you in the back
Wow, i've red some crazy stuff here, but this beats everyting. Jost wow!
Dollhouse, Knight Rider and Eleventh Hour have all been picked up by UK cable channels to air in spring. Which is weird becuse according to many posters on this (and other) sites all those shows are set to bite the dust.
I like Dollhouse, I think it's a rather good show but those numbers are terible. I want to be hopeful that Fox will bring it back again next Spring but I highly doubt it. I also think Fox should air the remaining 6 episodes, it can't do much harm seeing as they've already been made and paid for.
That would bug me about American TV that sometimes all episodes produced don't air, how can Networks ever expect viewers to trust new shows that may never get a resolution?
I agree. How sad for Joss. I guess he'll just have to go back to writing big-screen blockbusters. Like "Alien: Resurrection." And "Serenity." And "Titan A.E."
-- "Better Off Ted," Wednesdays at some time or another at some point or another in the near future. Because we can't all live in mansions and not ever work like the people on "Modern Family."
However, I don't think I'd keep watching it if it moved to a major network.
What makes the Disney and Nick shows work is that they have a loyal audience of young viewers who enjoy having their own channels to watch their own shows on--and adults who like the energy of these shows can watch too.
You can't just move iCarly to a network and expect it to click the same way. The network will start meddling and messing around with it, and it'll end up being the same old crap.
And the reason I know this is that it already happened. On the special episode "iCarly Saves TV."
I don't know from young people television, old people television, etc--I just watch what I like--if I screw up the demo predictive curves, all the better.
Dollhouse, Knight Rider and Eleventh Hour have all been picked up by UK cable channels to air in spring. Which is weird becuse according to many posters on this (and other) sites all those shows are set to bite the dust.
Nothing weird about it--happens all the time. The British programmers can't wait to find out what gets renewed.
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I like Dollhouse, I think it's a rather good show but those numbers are terible. I want to be hopeful that Fox will bring it back again next Spring but I highly doubt it. I also think Fox should air the remaining 6 episodes, it can't do much harm seeing as they've already been made and paid for.
They've said they will, but they do have something to lose--advertisers.
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That would bug me about American TV that sometimes all episodes produced don't air, how can Networks ever expect viewers to trust new shows that may never get a resolution?
What would bug me about British TV is that nearly all of it is bloody awful these days.
Used to be nearly all of my fave shows were British, but lately it all seems like they're trying to do American shows in a British way or British Shows in an American way--and not really succeeding on either front.
You mean like the way you type stuff in the English language without really knowing much about that?
??? that makes no sense, and has nothing to do with what we are talking about?? next time think your smart ass comments out before you post them..
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So you saw creative improvement last week.
And this week, the ratings hit an all time low, and it couldn't even improve on SCC.
So maybe this is another of those things you don't know 'sh17' about?
first of all Dollhouse beat Scc in total viewers. shows go up and down all the time, its normal. try not to be so negative, thats my advice from me-you
-- "Better Off Ted," Wednesdays at some time or another at some point or another in the near future. Because we can't all live in mansions and not ever work like the people on "Modern Family."
