Originally posted by TVGroupie: Someone mentioned The CW cutting down its pilot orders... are you referring to reality pilots? How can their be any scripted possibilities with the strike (unless they were ordered previously?)
I guess I'm asking because I would much rather see a familiar lineup of Smallville, OTH, SN, and any other scripted show than more of CROWNED and FARMER WANTS... Surely they've learned that duplicating ANTM's reality success isn't as easy as it looks.
I don't believe the articles mention which projects were dropped, but here are the links:
Originally posted by Chimera: Speaking of traditional multi-cam comedies, ABC seems to be making a bit more effort in developing and hopefully picking them up. Two projects with Cedric the Entertainer and Damon Wayans are in the mix for next season, and Cedric's comedy has been ordered to pilot. I can see an hour of these series together, either on Tuesdays or Fridays @ 8pm next season.
This doesn't sound like a very good idea. Cedric and Damon Wayans are: 1. not funny (at least Cedric, the Wayans brothers can be but are very unequal) 2. not family-friendly 3. not really popular 4. black (not a problem if they don't take the leading role, but that's unlikely in Cedric's case)
That's two flops waiting to happen.
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Originally posted by TVGroupie: Someone mentioned The CW cutting down its pilot orders... are you referring to reality pilots? How can their be any scripted possibilities with the strike (unless they were ordered previously?)
Originally posted by robert: Hey guys i've just said OTH performs better than SN, but let's be calm both shows will come back next season. That's if Ostroff still has a judgment beacause we all know she pretty much hates OTH
Why Ostroff should hate OTH? What proofs you have for say that? She said it? With SN and Smallville is the show that keeps alive the network...
Originally posted by Marc Berman: The Biggest Loser (NBC) 8:00 p.m. – Viewers: 6.45 million (#3), A18-49: 2.5/ 7 (#2) 8:30 p.m. – Viewers: 7.57 million (#3), A18-49: 3.2/ 8 (#2) 9:00 p.m. – Viewers: 10.06 million (#2), A18-49: 4.1/10 (#2) 9:30 p.m. – Viewers: 11.68 million (#2), A18-49: 4.9/12 (#1)
Hey TV-aholic: You are adding the weekly data to The Biggest Loser forum now that it has a forum, right? It will be good practice for the moment when Marc adds all those other forums still in waiting (like Cops, America's Most Wanted, Terminator, etc...)
Originally posted by Chimera: Speaking of traditional multi-cam comedies, ABC seems to be making a bit more effort in developing and hopefully picking them up. Two projects with Cedric the Entertainer and Damon Wayans are in the mix for next season, and Cedric's comedy has been ordered to pilot. I can see an hour of these series together, either on Tuesdays or Fridays @ 8pm next season.
This doesn't sound like a very good idea. Cedric and Damon Wayans are: 1. not funny (at least Cedric, the Wayans brothers can be but are very unequal) 2. not family-friendly 3. not really popular 4. black (not a problem if they don't take the leading role, but that's unlikely in Cedric's case)
That's two flops waiting to happen.
Have you heard of a little show called The Cosby Show? It was sort of a huge hit back in the 80s. Also, Damon Wayans' own My Wife and Kids was fairly successful a few years back and only failed because creatively it slipped. But I would never dismiss a show based your statement #4, and your statements #1-3 are subjective and a matter of preference: many people do find them funny, family-friendly, and popular.
Originally posted by dreamer14: Why Ostroff should hate OTH?
One Tree Hill is clearly not hated by CW or Ostroff. I honestly believe that the mid-season placement of the show was, in part, designed to make the 4 year transition within the show less abrupt. It was a very good idea. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like the 'new' One Tree Hill is attracting many new fans yet. However, at least the old fans seem to have returned to check out the transition beyond college.
Originally posted by robert: Hey guys i've just said OTH performs better than SN, but let's be calm both shows will come back next season. That's if Ostroff still has a judgment beacause we all know she pretty much hates OTH
Why Ostroff should hate OTH? What proofs you have for say that? She said it? With SN and Smallville is the show that keeps alive the network...
When you have a show breaking 4 million viewers and you renew it at the last moment you certinly don't love the show. When you give it a 1 million lead-in you certinly don't love the show. When you put an episode against AI you certinly don't love the show And i agree the midseason replacment turned out to be a good idea but the reason why OTH didn't return in october was not beacause of an Ostroff's brilliant idea to wait longer, but beacause she didn't want something like OTH to interfere with the launching of her pet show GG
Originally posted by Chimera: Speaking of traditional multi-cam comedies, ABC seems to be making a bit more effort in developing and hopefully picking them up. Two projects with Cedric the Entertainer and Damon Wayans are in the mix for next season, and Cedric's comedy has been ordered to pilot. I can see an hour of these series together, either on Tuesdays or Fridays @ 8pm next season.
This doesn't sound like a very good idea. Cedric and Damon Wayans are: 1. not funny (at least Cedric, the Wayans brothers can be but are very unequal) 2. not family-friendly 3. not really popular 4. black (not a problem if they don't take the leading role, but that's unlikely in Cedric's case)
That's two flops waiting to happen.
First, Damon Wayns is funny and is the funniest within the Wayans family. (love to see a Handi-man series ). And DW's last sitcom was a family comedy. You might be confusing Marlon and Shawn (WB's The Wayan Bros.) with Damon Wayon (My Wife & Kids, Major Payne, Blankman)
Cedric is a good comedian, but does need the right project to show it off.
Both a re just as popular as anyone else getting a sitcom these days. Perhaps even more popular.
And Being black has nothing to do with it (good or bad). If its funny, viewers will watch.
Hey TV-aholic: You are adding the weekly data to The Biggest Loser forum now that it has a forum, right? It will be good practice for the moment when Marc adds all those other forums still in waiting (like Cops, America's Most Wanted, Terminator, etc...)
Yes I will.
I will get caught up on the next time its finals are released. Thanks for getting it started!
Originally posted by Chimera: Speaking of traditional multi-cam comedies, ABC seems to be making a bit more effort in developing and hopefully picking them up. Two projects with Cedric the Entertainer and Damon Wayans are in the mix for next season, and Cedric's comedy has been ordered to pilot. I can see an hour of these series together, either on Tuesdays or Fridays @ 8pm next season.
This doesn't sound like a very good idea. Cedric and Damon Wayans are: 1. not funny (at least Cedric, the Wayans brothers can be but are very unequal) 2. not family-friendly 3. not really popular 4. black (not a problem if they don't take the leading role, but that's unlikely in Cedric's case)
That's two flops waiting to happen.
1. Cedric and Wayans can be very funny 2. What on Earth means family-friendly for you? You seem like those "tv watchers" trying to stop Married with Children in the 90s 3. Cedric and Wayans are popular 4. I cannot even comment on that actually, it's just painful to read and totally false
I think it's a bit paranoid to talk like Ostroff 'hates' OTH.
Fact is, she had nothing to do with developing it. It was developed at WB, and she comes from UPN. So if it does well, it doesn't go to her credit. In fact, other than Top Model and the Wrasslin' programs, the CW's biggest successes have all come from WB, and NONE have been developed at CW, which has got to rankle a bit, but that doesn't mean she hates them. Like all network execs, she's more interested in the projects she had a hand in starting. Nearly all of which just happen to suck a whole lot, and have flopped a whole lot.
OTH doing well doesn't do anything to help Ostroff keep her job. She's not trying to hurt it, but of course she's going to try and help shows like Gossip Girl (and before it, Veronica Mars), which she handpicked herself. If (or should I say WHEN) those shows tank, her position at CW is undercut.
Whether OTH does well or not, it's clearly not going to run much longer, it was an established (albeit minor) success before she had anything to do with it, and she's not going to spend a lot of time and money promoting it. It's going to sink or swim on its own fairly dubious merits. Which just happen to seem relatively more meritorious on CW. Hell, if it had stayed on WB, it probably would have been canceled by now. CW is a lot more desperate for ratings.
Personally though, I think her job is safe for now. Nobody else wants to run CW.
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