Oh, poor Men in Trees. Looks like ABC has raped it beyond repair.

I'm very surprised by Moment of Truth's viewers. It does quite well by itself. The viewership number is pretty good for FOX, as is the demo numbers. Very good numbers! I'm impressed. And saddened. THIS is what pulls in the network's best ratings after AI and House?! Very sad.

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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
Your comment was extremely flawed, so I corrected.

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Originally posted by A.C.:
ABC is also giving DIRTY SEXY MONEY-the worst best show of the new season a relaunch this fall. Yeah!!!

He made a mistake: DSM is not the worst new show, it's the second worst show after VL of course

Oh, robert, ever so positive. It's like you hate all shows on TV. Oh, and DSM is a good comedy.

But neither will ever be as bad as CSI Miami.

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Originally posted by robert:
He made a mistake: DSM is not the worst new show, it's the second worst show after VL of course

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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
But neither will ever be as bad as CSI Miami.

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Originally posted by robert:
He made a mistake: DSM is not the worst new show, it's the second worst show after VL of course

DSM would kill to have the quality and numbers CSI Miami has. The acting on DSM is so bad that it makes David Caruso worthy of an Emmy

Wednesday original finals and network averages

SHOW/NET                     HH   A18-49     Viewers  A18-34

ABC                       4.0/7    2.1/6   5,930,000
CBS                       4.4/7    1.8/5   6,365,000
NBC                      6.6/11    2.6/7   9,981,000
FOX                     11.3/18   7.2/20  18,852,000
CW                        1.9/3    1.3/4   2,618,000   1.4/4

WIFE SWAP                 3.9/7    2.4/7   6,179,000
SUPERNANNY                4.1/6    2.3/6   5,941,000
MEN IN TREES              4.1/7    1.7/5   5,669,000

BIG BROTHER               3.6/6    1.9/5   5,310,000

DEAL OR NO DEAL          6.7/11    2.5/7  10,191,000
LAW AND ORDER: CI         5.4/8    2.0/5   7,904,000
LAW AND ORDER            7.9/13    3.3/9  11,849,000

MOMENT OF TRUTH          6.8/11   4.2/12  10,577,000
AMERICAN IDOL           15.8/24  10.3/26  27,127,000

AMERICA'S NEXT TOP MODEL  2.6/4    1.9/5   3,651,000   2.0/6

TOP CHEF (75 minutes)     1.5/3    1.1/3   2,256,000
SOUTH PARK                2.0/3    1.8/5   3,074,000

Sorry for the lack of nationals for Sunday through Tuesday... I actually didn't receive them. Shrug!

Top Chef returned far weaker than I expected. Not enough time between seasons. The last one ended on October 3rd. Love the series, but for its longevity, it needs a break until Summer 2009.

Nothing on earth makes David Caruso look worthy of an Emmy. And CSI:Miami is NO WHERE near DSM in quality. Cast, script, and potential. CSI:M is the third best of a second-rate franchise.

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
But neither will ever be as bad as CSI Miami.

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Originally posted by robert:
He made a mistake: DSM is not the worst new show, it's the second worst show after VL of course

DSM would kill to have the quality and numbers CSI Miami has. The acting on DSM is so bad that it makes David Caruso worthy of an Emmy

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Originally posted by TravisYanan:
Wednesday original finals and network averages

SHOW/NET                     HH   A18-49     Viewers  A18-34

ABC                       4.0/7    2.1/6   5,930,000

WIFE SWAP                 3.9/7    2.4/7   6,179,000
SUPERNANNY                4.1/6    2.3/6   5,941,000
MEN IN TREES              4.1/7    1.7/5   5,669,000

Top Chef returned far weaker than I expected. Not enough time between seasons. The last one ended on October 3rd. Love the series, but for its longevity, it needs a break until Summer 2009.

Re: ABC's shows, Men In Trees is clearly the weakest link and should be moved back to Fridays. Revised Wednesday lineup should be:

8pm Wife Swap
9pm Primetime Specials
10pm SuperNanny

Re: Top Chef -- it should have been launched the same night as the finale of Project Runway, which had record high ratings. Not wait a week later... It's in my DVR but have yet to watch it.

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Originally posted by whatsonpop:
Nothing on earth makes David Caruso look worthy of an Emmy. And CSI:Miami is NO WHERE near DSM in quality. Cast, script, and potential. CSI:M is the third best of a second-rate franchise.

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
But neither will ever be as bad as CSI Miami.

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Originally posted by robert:
He made a mistake: DSM is not the worst new show, it's the second worst show after VL of course

DSM would kill to have the quality and numbers CSI Miami has. The acting on DSM is so bad that it makes David Caruso worthy of an Emmy

LOL, i just love when CSI haters are jealous of this franchises's success. Second rate, huh? Those second-rate shows are all hits. Sorry about that.
If CSI is second-rate i wonder what is hould call DSM or PD, sixth-rate i suppose.

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Originally posted by robert:
BTW when i first red today the news about CW's 90210 spin-off i was vey negative. But reading the media coverage of the news now i think this project might be a winning bet for CW. But only if CW is very clever about this project. And we all know who runs CW i'm afraid

The same guy who runs CBS--Les Moonves.

For all the wailing that I see here about Dawn Ostroff and her poor decision-making and lousy scheduling abilities, the truth is that every decision that gets made at The CW, even down to the level of promotion a show receives, where and how it's promoted, etc., has to be signed off on by none other than Mr. CBS himself.

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Originally posted by Native NYer:

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Originally posted by robert:
BTW when i first red today the news about CW's 90210 spin-off i was vey negative. But reading the media coverage of the news now i think this project might be a winning bet for CW. But only if CW is very clever about this project. And we all know who runs CW i'm afraid

The same guy who runs CBS--Les Moonves.

For all the wailing that I see here about Dawn Ostroff and her poor decision-making and lousy scheduling abilities, the truth is that every decision that gets made at The CW, even down to the level of promotion a show receives, where and how it's promoted, etc., has to be signed off on by none other than Mr. CBS himself.

I'm not so sure about that.

I'm talking about quality not ratings. PS - not a CSI hater. Just a CSI:M hater. The show sucks. Period.

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by whatsonpop:
Nothing on earth makes David Caruso look worthy of an Emmy. And CSI:Miami is NO WHERE near DSM in quality. Cast, script, and potential. CSI:M is the third best of a second-rate franchise.

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
But neither will ever be as bad as CSI Miami.

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Originally posted by robert:
He made a mistake: DSM is not the worst new show, it's the second worst show after VL of course

DSM would kill to have the quality and numbers CSI Miami has. The acting on DSM is so bad that it makes David Caruso worthy of an Emmy

LOL, i just love when CSI haters are jealous of this franchises's success. Second rate, huh? Those second-rate shows are all hits. Sorry about that.
If CSI is second-rate i wonder what is hould call DSM or PD, sixth-rate i suppose.

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by Native NYer:

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Originally posted by robert:
BTW when i first red today the news about CW's 90210 spin-off i was vey negative. But reading the media coverage of the news now i think this project might be a winning bet for CW. But only if CW is very clever about this project. And we all know who runs CW i'm afraid

The same guy who runs CBS--Les Moonves.

For all the wailing that I see here about Dawn Ostroff and her poor decision-making and lousy scheduling abilities, the truth is that every decision that gets made at The CW, even down to the level of promotion a show receives, where and how it's promoted, etc., has to be signed off on by none other than Mr. CBS himself.

I'm not so sure about that.

I am. And I'm in a position to know.

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Originally posted by Native NYer:

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by Native NYer:

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Originally posted by robert:
BTW when i first red today the news about CW's 90210 spin-off i was vey negative. But reading the media coverage of the news now i think this project might be a winning bet for CW. But only if CW is very clever about this project. And we all know who runs CW i'm afraid

The same guy who runs CBS--Les Moonves.

For all the wailing that I see here about Dawn Ostroff and her poor decision-making and lousy scheduling abilities, the truth is that every decision that gets made at The CW, even down to the level of promotion a show receives, where and how it's promoted, etc., has to be signed off on by none other than Mr. CBS himself.

I'm not so sure about that.

I am. And I'm in a position to know.

Then why CBS is doing so well and CW so bad?

There are a million ways to answer your question, robert.

Different economic and business models, different demographic targets, different station lineups, legacy programming, The CW programs only prime time and really only 5 nights and no other dayparts. The two nets aren't the same, even though they're answerable to the same person. Kelly Kahl schedules The CW and CBS and a lot of the back office stuff is combined, as well.