Originally posted by mrpotato531: Totally. Given its 2005-06 performance, and the fact that the show was STILL the most watched show on the WB and UPN, 7th Heaven deserved a spot on the CW schedule all along...not just as a last-minute decision in May. But if they really didn't want the show at all, then they should have left it be. Moving it to Sunday no doubt killed the ratings momentum that the series could have probably kept on Monday nights once people realized the show was back.
Denny Crane. Koo Koo for Coco Puffs. Denny Crane.
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Originally posted by heavennoseven: I hate how the CW treated 7H.
While that is clearly the best strategy, the CW was absolutely desperate for exposure...and it helped PCD become the CW's only real original success. The netlet has not reached the point where it can afford to just let a show be watch-it-or-miss-it. Maybe now, but certainly not when the show launched.
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Originally posted by TravisYanan: I have to say I'm impressed by the PCD finale numbers. The show was clearly appointment TV for some, but that was masked by the encore airings. The people who watched showed up for the finale (and since it's encoring after a well-timed Top Model clip show tonight, the original airing should top the repeat this week).
PCD grew in the A18-34 demo from a new Gilmore Girls (and before people say "but 8pm has Idol"... the Big 4 HH rating at 9pm is actually a whole point bigger than the 8pm Big 4 HH rating... so it's not like having Idol out of its way is making the timeslot that much easier). The total Big 4 A18-49 demo also rose 1.1 ratings points in the 9pm hour vs the 8pm.
So, for PCD 2.0, CW needs to simply do this: find a better timeslot, and skip the encores. Make it watch-it-or-miss-it TV (aside from the various backend ways to view it... but one-time-only on broadcast).
Actually, there was at least one night last year where UNIT outperformed NCIS in TA and heavily in 18-49.
I agree this has been a creative failure. The blending of the husbands and wives has been at best inconsistent, and the show awkwardly shifts between the missions and the homefront. I also noticed they have almost made Regina Taylor disappear, and I thought she was a major asset early on in the show. She was the anchor for the domestic front.
To work, I felt this show had to be extremely hard-edged and personal. Although last nite's story improved over some recent eps, it has been way too formulaic to meet the expectations that somehow were created when this show premiered.
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Originally posted by Keith1990: When The Unit premiered I thought CBS had the next JAG. I don't remember the exact ratings but I think NCIS averaged 17 million viewers that night and The Unit kept all 17. Now The Unit couldn't even stay above 10 million viewers. NCIS had more competition and still performed better. The show really lacks creativity this season and I think that's what has turned viewers away. Maybe it is time for CBS to ax the show.
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Originally posted by mrpotato531: Totally. Given its 2005-06 performance, and the fact that the show was STILL the most watched show on the WB and UPN, 7th Heaven deserved a spot on the CW schedule all along...not just as a last-minute decision in May. But if they really didn't want the show at all, then they should have left it be. Moving it to Sunday no doubt killed the ratings momentum that the series could have probably kept on Monday nights once people realized the show was back.
You can't use the 2005-2006 performance as 'the bar' since the show was doing its 'series finale episodes' at the time. Lots of people were tuning in that wouldn't have normally tuned in to the show. The CW didn't choose for 7th Heaven to end or for 7th Heaven to build a series ending style storyline into those 'final' episodes. It makes no sense to blame the CW for ending the show since the CW didn't actually exist yet.
Do you have the 7th heaven ratings for this year on Monday nights? Do you have the ratings for 7th Heaven this year in its first few Sunday airings (originals, not repeats)? If so, look at those numbers and then explain how the show was 'destroyed' by the timeslot change rather than that the show died off naturally both before and after the timeslot change. It looks to me like 7th Heaven didn't bring last year's series ending viewers back to the TV this year and then, *after* the timeslot change, viewers continued to drift away even more.
As for a replacement for Rosie O'Donnell on "The View", how about having another "Rosie": Roseanne. I know Marc will be jumping for joy if they do cast her plus she'll be back at ABC!
Remember when Roseanne had a brief stint as a daytime talk show host? I thought that when it started, it was very interesting but then the show quickly became uninteresting as the season wore on. But Roseanne did show potential and she always has an interesting point of view.
Originally posted by mrpotato531: While that is clearly the best strategy, the CW was absolutely desperate for exposure...and it helped PCD become the CW's only real original success. The netlet has not reached the point where it can afford to just let a show be watch-it-or-miss-it. Maybe now, but certainly not when the show launched.
I agree that the CW needed the multiple airings of PCD this season, but I also agree that they should not repeat that strategy next year. Hopefully, next year, they can produce enough original programming that they can fill their weekdays (and even Sunday!) with first run programming.
Originally posted by SW: It is beginning to look as though Zucker and Reilly might be agents of the other networks.
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Originally posted by Hawk-eye: NBC and CW: 1.7/ 4 each If anybody needs to be smacked it should be NBC - that is just pathetic.
Edited to add: I know NBC was in repeats with the L/o's, but still those are embarrassing numbers.
It's an interesting game the networks have been playing with the few original episodes they have been running in March/April. Basically they've been hopscotching their originals to air opposite reruns on the other nets. On Tuesdays, for example, you see that strategy being played out between CBS and NBC...one net airs originals and beats the other one week; the next week it is the opposite. Same for Thursdays between CBS and ABC, with their scheduling of "CSI" and "Grey's Anatomy". There have been few if any examples of scheduling new show vs new show with these and probably many scripted series on other nights since February. It's like they take turns handing the night's viewers over to one net, then the other.
Where's the sense of competition and programming creativity gone? If they're going to compete in the future, they're going to have to address this issue very soon. How about producing more original episodes per season, or at least some specials? Maybe a mini-series? Or how about a limited run series, such as NBC did with "Revelations" a few season ago. That one actually ran against "Idol" and made some initial ratings noise, before creative problems with the series brought the numbers down.
The nets know the time they have to fill before the May sweeps...they should try to come up with something especially designed for this shorter period of time in March/April in which to try something different. If they're not going to produce more regular series original programming, they could then at least think of this period of time as a mini-summer season, and program it as they are beginning to do with summer originals.
What's the deal with Gilmore Girls? Obviously, ratings won't be anything to pop open any bubbly about next season, but are they really going to go through with the reduced 13-episode season? I don't see how an 8-year old show with ratings like this can be all that profitable for the struggling network.
It'll all make sense when VM and OTH return next week with stellar numbers in the 2.5-2.8 million range.
Travis: If it isn't to much trouble, is it possible to still get the numbers for Blood Ties from Sunday night? I think I posted to late yesterday for you to see my message, sorry I missed you.
7th Heaven averaged around 4.5 million and near a 2.0 on Mondays. Since then, well below 4 million and low 1s among 18-49. Its not bad enough that they brought it back from the dead which confused and angered viewers, but then they switched the timeslot a whopping 2 weeks into the season. Needless to say, any momentum at all was killed and Reba only managed to revive it on Sunday for a short period of time.
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Originally posted by mrpotato531: Totally. Given its 2005-06 performance, and the fact that the show was STILL the most watched show on the WB and UPN, 7th Heaven deserved a spot on the CW schedule all along...not just as a last-minute decision in May. But if they really didn't want the show at all, then they should have left it be. Moving it to Sunday no doubt killed the ratings momentum that the series could have probably kept on Monday nights once people realized the show was back.
You can't use the 2005-2006 performance as 'the bar' since the show was doing its 'series finale episodes' at the time. Lots of people were tuning in that wouldn't have normally tuned in to the show. The CW didn't choose for 7th Heaven to end or for 7th Heaven to build a series ending style storyline into those 'final' episodes. It makes no sense to blame the CW for ending the show since the CW didn't actually exist yet.
Do you have the 7th heaven ratings for this year on Monday nights? Do you have the ratings for 7th Heaven this year in its first few Sunday airings (originals, not repeats)? If so, look at those numbers and then explain how the show was 'destroyed' by the timeslot change rather than that the show died off naturally both before and after the timeslot change. It looks to me like 7th Heaven didn't bring last year's series ending viewers back to the TV this year and then, *after* the timeslot change, viewers continued to drift away even more.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mushu_jj: 7th Heaven averaged around 4.5 million and near a 2.0 on Mondays. Since then, well below 4 million and low 1s among 18-49. Its not bad enough that they brought it back from the dead which confused and angered viewers, but then they switched the timeslot a whopping 2 weeks into the season. Needless to say, any momentum at all was killed and Reba only managed to revive it on Sunday for a short period of time. [QUOTE]
Reba and 7H made Sunday nights good. Then the CW killed it.
I wonder how 7H would do if Reba was still around.
two episodes of ABC’s on-the-bubble George Lopez (Viewers: #4, 4.76 million; A18-49: #3, avg. 1.6/ 4)
This is what happens when a show gets prempted and moved around the schedule against the death star. Oh well, I still think GLo gets a renewal if the wife doesn't resign on AtJ.
