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Originally posted by DaveAllen99:
Well, I'd say Fox has a few more assets than ABC - 24 ... 5th Grader ... Family Guy ... and, they have their Saturday, also - Cops and Most Wanted aren't huge, but they win the night.

I'm sorry, but if you're going to compare assets between ABC and Fox, ABC comes well ahead -- the only reason ABC is in 3rd place is poor programming decisions, not for lack of solid building blocks.

Let's compare, shall we:

ABC has: Dancing with the Stars, and DWTS: Results
Counter--Fox has: American Idol and AI:results. Fox is stronger here, but AI is on the way down and DWTS is still increasing. Advantage (slightly): Fox.

ABC has: Grey's Anatomy
Counter--Fox has: House. Both very strong, both overall and in the demo, but Grey's does it year round whereas House is somewhat inflated during AI months. Plus, Grey's has by far the stronger buzz.
Advantage: ABC

ABC has: Desperate Housewives.
Counter--Fox has Family Guy/Simpsons.
While Family Guy/Simpsons are strong in 18-34, DH kicks their hiney head-to-head, despite its own recent ratings downturn.
Advantage: ABC

ABC has: LOST
Counter--Fox has 24.
Both are cool, hip, serialized dramas, and both are having weak years in overall viewers, but still very strong in the 18-49 demo.
Advantage: push

ABC has: Extreme Makeover: Home Edition
Counter--Fox has 5th Grader.
No comparison. 5th grader has been on a downturn since AI was taken away as a lead-in, whereas EM:HE gets solid numbers for both originals and reruns (one of the few ABC shows that does, and one of the very few reality shows that repeats well (or at all).
Advantage: ABC

ABC has: Ugly Betty
Counter--Fox has: Bones
Both young and strong with the female 18-34 demo, both leading off a night for their respective network and handling it well.
Advantage: push

The best of the rest:
ABC has: Brothers & Sisters, AFV, Wife Swap, Supernanny, Boston Legal, Men in Trees, and October Road
Counter--Fox has: Prison Break and ???

So yes, if ABC had even a rudimentary level of skill programming around its very strong building blocks, it would be the #1 network by a mile...

Okay, thanks for the scoop, Travis.

Does anyone have overnights on how MyTV's two bikini pageant specials did last night?

Today's Mediaweek story by John Consoli reports that the telenovellas won't be returning to Tuesdays, and these M18-49 aimed reality specials will be continuing on beyond the May Sweep.

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003575924

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not until it aired after idol... its fall 2004 airings out of that Billionaire show were disastrous!

House was called the best medical drama since ER by the Washington Post, before it even premiered.

And might I just inquire--if House's early ratings were 'disastrous', what adjective would you apply to Drive's?

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Does anyone have overnights on how MyTV's two bikini pageant specials did last night?

overnights:
8pm - 0.8/1
8:30pm - 0.6/1
9pm - 0.6/1
9:30pm - 0.6/1

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House was called the best medical drama since ER by the Washington Post, before it even premiered.

And might I just inquire--if House's early ratings were 'disastrous', what adjective would you apply to Drive's?

Right... but even though Fox aired ads NON-STOP during the 2004 MLB Playoffs, House premiered around 6 million viewers, and stayed there until it doubled-up on itself when airing after Idol in the winter. The saving grace was that it was universally critically acclaimed, and the "Dr. House is the best character to hit television in years" sound-byte helped a lot. It also stayed around 6 million during that Fall '04 run (as opposed to dropping 25% by episode 4).

House's ratings were disastrous.

Drive's got it cancelled

okay, gotta get to my lunch... the word's coming down that, yes, House repeats will fill Mondays @ 8pm (Marc? Is this series not being more over-exposed than Grey's Anatomy?)

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Originally posted by dumont demo:
Does anyone have overnights on how MyTV's two bikini pageant specials did last night?

Today's Mediaweek story by John Consoli reports that the telenovellas won't be returning to Tuesdays, and these M18-49 aimed reality specials will be continuing on beyond the May Sweep.

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003575924

Um...Mushu? You might want to break this to wiseguy gently...

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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
From what I have heard, yes. At this point there is very little interest left in it so it's time to say goodbye.

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Originally posted by mrpotato531:
What's the deal with Gilmore Girls? Obviously, ratings won't be anything to pop open any bubbly about next season, but are they really going to go through with the reduced 13-episode season?

according to you. no disrespect to you marc but i know alot of people who still love the show. its not what it used to be but i still love it. plus you didnt mention it got 3rd in adults at 8pm.

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ABC has: Extreme Makeover: Home Edition
Counter--Fox has 5th Grader.
No comparison. 5th grader has been on a downturn since AI was taken away as a lead-in, whereas EM:HE gets solid numbers for both originals and reruns

Yeah, but - 5th Grader is on Thursday and...

Ya know, never mind...all I was doing was just saying Fox has more than just House and AI.

Well, regardless of whether the show was good or horrible, it would have been guaranteed a better sampling for its premiere had it debuted after Idol.

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Originally posted by pisher:

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Why is Idol a good lead in for House but it would not be for Drive?

Because people want to see House whether or not Idol is on first. In fact, House would be a good lead-in for Idol.

Hardly anyone wanted to see Drive. And this is proven by the fact that a lot of the people who DID see it tuned out this past Monday.

There was no buzz, no water-cooler chat, nothing. D.O.A.

The problem wasn't the timeslot, the lead-in, or the promotion. The problem was the concept, the casting, and the writing.

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Originally posted by DaveAllen99:

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ABC has: Extreme Makeover: Home Edition
Counter--Fox has 5th Grader.
No comparison. 5th grader has been on a downturn since AI was taken away as a lead-in, whereas EM:HE gets solid numbers for both originals and reruns

Yeah, but - 5th Grader is on Thursday and...

Ya know, never mind...all I was doing was just saying Fox has more than just House and AI.

No disagreement there -- Fox ahs come a long way in the last two years... However, ABC has even more key shows, and should be winning the season if it had made some better programming decisions.

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Right... but even though Fox aired ads NON-STOP during the 2004 MLB Playoffs, House premiered around 6 million viewers, and stayed there until it doubled-up on itself when airing after Idol in the winter. The saving grace was that it was universally critically acclaimed, and the "Dr. House is the best character to hit television in years" sound-byte helped a lot. It also stayed around 6 million during that Fall '04 run (as opposed to dropping 25% by episode 4).

I wasn't watching it at all, but I remember hearing all my wimmen-friends sighing dreamily about that guy who played Bertie Wooster in those Jeeves adaptations.

FOX actually is pretty good at figuring out which low-rated shows have a good shot at finding an audience. They're just bad at getting those shows on the air in the first place.

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House's ratings were disastrous.

I was not aware!

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Drive's got it cancelled

Still no adjective, though. Try Roget's.

Thank you, TravisYanan, for the numb3rs.

A little below what I expected, but I've been commenting that about MyNetworkTV all season, haven't I?

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Originally posted by TravisYanan:

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Does anyone have overnights on how MyTV's two bikini pageant specials did last night?

overnights:
8pm - 0.8/1
8:30pm - 0.6/1
9pm - 0.6/1
9:30pm - 0.6/1

Well, Travis, thanks to you the news has broken over at Whedonesque. You've been described as "pretty accurate". Just thought you'd like to know.

Yes you have dumont and we all appreciate it. Well... x and I do!

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Originally posted by dumont demo:
Thank you, TravisYanan, for the numb3rs.

A little below what I expected, but I've been commenting that about MyNetworkTV all season, haven't I?

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Originally posted by TravisYanan:

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Does anyone have overnights on how MyTV's two bikini pageant specials did last night?

overnights:
8pm - 0.8/1
8:30pm - 0.6/1
9pm - 0.6/1
9:30pm - 0.6/1