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Originally posted by pisher:
Sorry Walter--as unwatchable as Greys has become for me, it still whomped CSI's butt last night. I'm no devotee of the "demo is everything" school of thought, but a tiny lead in total viewers is decisively outweighed by a huge lead in 18-49 viewers.

Greys is really beyond redemption now--but CSI has likewise lost its mojo. They knocked each other out, I guess.

no one "whomped" anyones but yesterday...both shows were at season lows...

You know, nobody likes to diss CW more than me. Nobody.

But some people should try and face the fact that SN's ratings are mainly about SN. It was never a hit, and the concept has gotten progressively more tired and repetitious. All the mysteries presented in the pilot have been resolved. They've told all the story they've got to tell, several times over. All they're gunning for now is to get to that golden syndication season--but even if they do, the best syndication venue they can hope for is the SciFi Channel.

I understand that some people love the characters, and just want to hang out with them every week, forever--it's that way with every show. But the sad truth is, if SN ran long enough, they'd eventually get to that "John Winchester had an illegitimate son he kept secret from Sam and Dean, who will now take the place of the Winchester brother played by the actor who wanted too much money or thought he could have a movie career" storyline.

Seriously, as awful as CW is, they have done fine by SN. They have kept it on longer than its ratings warranted. On any other network, it wouldn't have made it past season two--on a major network, it wouldn't have made it all the way through season ONE.

Why is it so hard to just enjoy the show, and stop worrying about who else enjoys it?

Oh right, it's Supernatural.

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Originally posted by galveston:
Yikes! What the devil happened to SN? Did people not realize it was coming back with new eppies? That's like a rerun number. Considering Jus in Bello's ratings were so high, that's bizarre. I'm sure it's a blip, but ouch!!! Did people not realize it was an SN episode and turn it off? Did the fact that CW30 in Utah started broadcasting the second half of Smallville by mistake at 8:30 make people turn it off in droves? I'd love to see some half hour breakdowns. I thought it was one of the cleverest episodes they ever did, but apparently a lot of people disagreed.

All of the above, plus there was some sports thing in Chicago that pushed SPN back till after midnight. Lack of promotion kept people from knowing a new episode was on--die hard fans knew, but how many die-hard fans have the oh-so-important Nielson box?

I had to make myelf keep watching, waiting for the guys to come on. Those first 12 minutes were dead boring, I came very close to switching it off myself.

I just hope people's disappointment with this episode doesn't keep them from watching the last three eps. Assuming those not-die-hard-fans-with-the-Nielson-box know there's a new episode next week!
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Originally posted by a-mad:
From MediaLife:

At 10 p.m., ABC’s “Lost” dominated the competition in 18-49s, averaging a 5.5, just 0.2 off what it had been averaging in the earlier timeslot this season. CBS’s “Without a Trace” finished 40 percent behind it with a 3.3, while NBC’s “ER” hit another series low at 2.9.

Marc is showing a 4.8. That's a big difference... Who's right?

Either way, I think ABC might have just found the solution to their woes in the post Grey's slot.

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Originally posted by robert:
Am i the only one who thinks that most of the shows after the strike are pretty bad? I thought that during the strike the writers would come up woth great ideas, but most of the episodes i watched are below the average quality of the shows.

I agree. The only show that has come back post-strike both creatively and ratings-wise is Boston Legal. (I love that Boston Legal has a higher demo and viewer number than UB did this week.) Grey's was pretty bad last night, as was Brothers and Sisters Sunday. I wasn't particularly thrilled with Lost last night, and The Office returned sub-par as far as I'm concerned (esp. the dinner party).

The bang for my buck this spring has been Survivor. Hard to believe in its 16th season it's as good as ever. I'm glad to see its viewer numbers were up from last week.

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no one "whomped" anyones but yesterday...both shows were at season lows...

And both DESERVED to be, but as pyrhhic a victory as it unquestionably was, Greys clearly beat CSI. It wasn't a near thing at all. CSI would have to be ahead by several million in total viewers, with Greys that far ahead in the demo--just to tie.

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Either way, I think ABC might have just found the solution to their woes in the post Grey's slot.

Except that they'll still need strong lead-ins for their new dramas, and they don't have many left. True, Greys hasn't been very good at introducing new shows--neither has Lost, you will recall.

ABC needs to find new hits--their current crop is aging quickly. That's Job One, not propping up old stalwarts.

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Originally posted by Jonathan:

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Originally posted by galveston:
Yikes! What the devil happened to SN? Did people not realize it was coming back with new eppies? That's like a rerun number. Considering Jus in Bello's ratings were so high, that's bizarre. I'm sure it's a blip, but ouch!!! Did people not realize it was an SN episode and turn it off? Did the fact that CW30 in Utah started broadcasting the second half of Smallville by mistake at 8:30 make people turn it off in droves? I'd love to see some half hour breakdowns. I thought it was one of the cleverest episodes they ever did, but apparently a lot of people disagreed.

Blame the CW for showing the inferior Reaper in SuperNatural's timeslot for several weeks and the CW for not airing this episode a week earlier when the attention and competition would have been lower.

Waaa waaa. Supernatural fans crying because their show can't hold up despite being in season three. Give me a break.

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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
I'll say it first: the erosion for both CSI and Grey's Anatomy is alarming.

As alarming as Idol's????

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Originally posted by TravisYanan:

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Originally posted by total eclipse:
I'm not surprise at GA's decline. This show has become a sub-par run of the mill medical drama with far too many soapy elements. I'm glad many other viewers start seeing it.
CSI's numbers are a bit alarming, as the show is as strong as ever, creatively speaking. My guess is when the DVR numbers come in the picture will change considerably.

You mean Grey's will thoroughly kick CSI's butt in both measures? Because I suspect that.

greys kicked no ones butt yesterday...sorry but its numbers are wayyyy off its normal levels...i think the viewers are the only ones who have "kicked butt" yesterday

If these two do return for syndication purposes, I know where I'd slot them if I were McPherson: Saturdays 10pm starting Memorial Day Weekend 2009.

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
If Scrubs heads to ABC, you can bet According to jim will be its lead in. So, I would not expect much from it.

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Originally posted by mcdreamyfan:
Well of course Scrubs is down this week. You can thank NBC for switching the time slot one more time for old times sake for that!

I can't wait until it's on ABC. Hopefully it'll do well and folks like Marc will STFU already. And it'll be sweet revenge on NBC.

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Originally posted by dumont:

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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy:
As a whole, ABC underperformed.

Surprisingly, on a year-over-year basis against last years finals, ABC had the smallest decline in A18-49 demographic:

web	demo	demo	%
web	2008	2007	chg
ABC	4.80	5.20	-8%
CBS	4.00	4.77	-16%
NBC	2.90	3.20	-9%
FOX	2.30	2.70	-15%
CW	1.20	1.40	-14%
  

you can thank lost for that...but if you were to do just the 8-10pm levels you'd probably see upwards of 30% decline...

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Originally posted by Jonathan:

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Originally posted by galveston:
Yikes! What the devil happened to SN? Did people not realize it was coming back with new eppies? That's like a rerun number. Considering Jus in Bello's ratings were so high, that's bizarre. I'm sure it's a blip, but ouch!!! Did people not realize it was an SN episode and turn it off? Did the fact that CW30 in Utah started broadcasting the second half of Smallville by mistake at 8:30 make people turn it off in droves? I'd love to see some half hour breakdowns. I thought it was one of the cleverest episodes they ever did, but apparently a lot of people disagreed.

Blame the CW for showing the inferior Reaper in SuperNatural's timeslot for several weeks and the CW for not airing this episode a week earlier when the attention and competition would have been lower.

Well I don't blame the CW for trying Reaper out in another slot. But any interruption can effect viewer levels. But the fact that the reruns since have been in the normal range that shouldn't have been a major factor. Probably the biggest factor was having this type of episode starting the show up.

They should have probably broke format and shown the cast at the beginning. Also having a new episode last week couldn't have hurt.