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Originally posted by pisher:
The Office should end with its fifth season, so the ratings don't concern me much.

Lost has an established endpoint, so its ratings don't concern me much.

Ugly Betty and Greys Anatomy don't appeal to me anymore, so their ratings don't concern me much.

I never liked CSI, and seriously--why should its ratings concern anyone? It'll run for years longer, until everyone is bored to tears with it, and most of the original cast has left.

I want 30 Rock to die a slow painful death next season, so its ratings make me happy.

I agree with the 30 rock thing

Don't be sippin on that Tina Fey Hater-ade!!!

Personally, I like Tina Fey. She's pretty, smart, and talented.

Her show sucks to hell, and always has. Its ratings suck to hell, and always will. She's gotten every possible chance to prove otherwise, but if she can't pull it off next year, it's time to pull the plug. No hate, just truth.

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Originally posted by a-mad:
From MediaLife:

At 10 p.m., ABC’s “Lost” dominated the competition in 18-49s, averaging a 5.5, just 0.2 off what it had been averaging in the earlier timeslot this season. CBS’s “Without a Trace” finished 40 percent behind it with a 3.3, while NBC’s “ER” hit another series low at 2.9.

Marc is showing a 4.8. That's a big difference... Who's right?

It actually probably is 5.5, as the average of Marc's three ABC hours (2.5, 6.3, 4.8) equals 4.5, not the 4.8 he reported.

If that's what it is, that's pretty amazing. Eighty-seven percent retention in the demo out of Grey's? It'll drop a bit in the finals, maybe, but man.

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Originally posted by TravisYanan:

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Originally posted by CanadianTVFan:

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Originally posted by TravisYanan:

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Are the viewers not aware that these shows have come back?

I don't know, but if I were Steve McPherson, I would hold off on new shows until at least January and spend the summer reminding people that Desperate Housewives, Brothers & Sisters, Grey's Anatomy, Ugly Betty, and the Wednesday night drama line-up are still on TV (I use those shows because they're already picked up... whereas stuff like WMC, BL, MIT, etc are on the fence). I mean... a massive campaign. Massive.

Until JANUARY? Are you kidding me? Regardless, what's the point of doing that "MASSIVE" promo campaign during the summer when ABC will have a difficult time cracking a mid-2 demo? And what about November sweeps?

You misunderstood. Hold off new series. Make the fall all about the returning series.

Travisyanan, in order to up the familiarity quotient and hold off on new fall series, how many and which of the 10 pm bubble dramas would you renew? (October Road / Boston Legal / Cashmere Mafia / Men in Trees / Big Shots / Eli Stone / Women's Murder Club)

Boston Legal definitely. The maybes are Eli Stone and Women's Murder Club.

Although it depends on how much reality is going to be on ABC's schedule in the fall and how much day/timeslot shifting the network is willing to do (for instance... does Ugly Betty belong on Thursdays at 8pm any longer? If not... is there an extant series that does?)

Of course... there could be a killer pilot or two that ought to get on the air right away (even though not all of ABC's pilots are even filming until July... so those filming later will certainly be left off the fall schedule).

Well of course Scrubs is down this week. You can thank NBC for switching the time slot one more time for old times sake for that!

I can't wait until it's on ABC. Hopefully it'll do well and folks like Marc will STFU already. And it'll be sweet revenge on NBC.

Yikes! What the devil happened to SN? Did people not realize it was coming back with new eppies? That's like a rerun number. Considering Jus in Bello's ratings were so high, that's bizarre. I'm sure it's a blip, but ouch!!! Did people not realize it was an SN episode and turn it off? Did the fact that CW30 in Utah started broadcasting the second half of Smallville by mistake at 8:30 make people turn it off in droves? I'd love to see some half hour breakdowns. I thought it was one of the cleverest episodes they ever did, but apparently a lot of people disagreed.

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Originally posted by dumont:
Travisyanan, in order to up the familiarity quotient and hold off on new fall series, how many and which of the 10 pm bubble dramas would you renew? (October Road / Boston Legal / Cashmere Mafia / Men in Trees / Big Shots / Eli Stone / Women's Murder Club)

Boston Legal definitely. The maybes are Eli Stone and Women's Murder Club.

Although it depends on how much reality is going to be on ABC's schedule in the fall and how much day/timeslot shifting the network is willing to do (for instance... does Ugly Betty belong on Thursdays at 8pm any longer? If not... is there an extant series that does?)

Of course... there could be a killer pilot or two that ought to get on the air right away (even though not all of ABC's pilots are even filming until July... so those filming later will certainly be left off the fall schedule).

Is there not even a scintilla of hope for Men in Trees, even as limited episode order for Fridays?

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Originally posted by a-mad:
From MediaLife:

At 10 p.m., ABC’s “Lost” dominated the competition in 18-49s, averaging a 5.5, just 0.2 off what it had been averaging in the earlier timeslot this season. CBS’s “Without a Trace” finished 40 percent behind it with a 3.3, while NBC’s “ER” hit another series low at 2.9.

Marc is showing a 4.8. That's a big difference... Who's right?

It actually probably is 5.5, as the average of Marc's three ABC hours (2.5, 6.3, 4.8) equals 4.5, not the 4.8 he reported.

If that's what it is, that's pretty amazing. Eighty-seven percent retention in the demo out of Grey's? It'll drop a bit in the finals, maybe, but man.

OMG you're right.2.5, 6.3, 5.5 averages 4.8. Anyways 4.8 or 5.5 I'm very relieved with these numbers, in march people here were predicting Lost dropping below 10m at 10pm.

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If that's what it is, that's pretty amazing. Eighty-seven percent retention in the demo out of Grey's? It'll drop a bit in the finals, maybe, but man.

If that number holds up pretty well when the finals come out - I wonder how much crossover there is with Greys/Lost viewers? Were those Greys fans not changing the channel who hadn't watched lost since its ratings peak in the 2nd season or Lost fans who only tuned in at 10 to watch Lost (and weren't watching Greys?) I can't imagine a non-regular viewer of Lost tuning in and having a general understanding of what was going on.

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Originally posted by galveston:
Yikes! What the devil happened to SN? Did people not realize it was coming back with new eppies? That's like a rerun number. Considering Jus in Bello's ratings were so high, that's bizarre. I'm sure it's a blip, but ouch!!! Did people not realize it was an SN episode and turn it off? Did the fact that CW30 in Utah started broadcasting the second half of Smallville by mistake at 8:30 make people turn it off in droves? I'd love to see some half hour breakdowns. I thought it was one of the cleverest episodes they ever did, but apparently a lot of people disagreed.

Blame the CW for showing the inferior Reaper in SuperNatural's timeslot for several weeks and the CW for not airing this episode a week earlier when the attention and competition would have been lower.

Wow, I am so depressed about The Office's ratings.

I will be close in the PI ratings game tho! I predicted Grey's within .21 mil viewers and .2 in the demo!

My thoughts:

NBC: Major suckage. Everything but The Office did pretty poorly, but was down ALARMINGLY. Everything will probably rebound slightly next week (not that that's gonna be enough).

CBS: Survivor did well. Up 4 ticks from last week in the demo. The rest of the night sucked it up pretty bad. CSI dropped about as badly as The Office. I actually CSI wouldn't be affected as heavily because it skews older, but I guess I was wrong.

FOX: Whatever. 5th grader got hit pretty solidly too. Who cares?

ABC: I was not surprised at all. All the show did almost exactly what I guessed for the PI Feedback challenge thing yesterday. The only one i was a littl off was Lost in the demo. I actually thought it would do better.

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Betty sucked.

Grey's was down like DH.

Lost did well as a lead out.

If Scrubs heads to ABC, you can bet According to jim will be its lead in. So, I would not expect much from it.

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Originally posted by mcdreamyfan:
Well of course Scrubs is down this week. You can thank NBC for switching the time slot one more time for old times sake for that!

I can't wait until it's on ABC. Hopefully it'll do well and folks like Marc will STFU already. And it'll be sweet revenge on NBC.

Anyone know if that's the lowest amount of viewers ER has ever gotten?

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Originally posted by pisher:
Personally, I like Tina Fey. She's pretty, smart, and talented.

Her show sucks to hell, and always has. Its ratings suck to hell, and always will. She's gotten every possible chance to prove otherwise, but if she can't pull it off next year, it's time to pull the plug. No hate, just truth.

If last night's ratings don't improve... (I can't believe i'm saying this) I agree with you Pisher. 30 Rock should probably go next season.

They have to bounce back up with a lead-in like the office. Otherwise, it WILL be time to go. Let's see what happens over the next two weeks, though.

Face facts people. All shows are down and it is only going to get worse. Not necessarily due to the quality of the shows, but because you can now watch these shows whenever you want thanks to DVR and on-demand components. All my friends now watch Lost and Greys on line because they hate the endless commercials on network tv. Pretty soon this forum will become irrelevant because all shows will have dipped to a series low and the whiners on this site will be repeating themselves on a daily basis on how bad the shows are doing. Oh wait, that's already happend.