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Are the viewers not aware that these shows have come back?

I don't know, but if I were Steve McPherson, I would hold off on new shows until at least January and spend the summer reminding people that Desperate Housewives, Brothers & Sisters, Grey's Anatomy, Ugly Betty, and the Wednesday night drama line-up are still on TV (I use those shows because they're already picked up... whereas stuff like WMC, BL, MIT, etc are on the fence). I mean... a massive campaign. Massive.

I thought The Office was hilarious last night. But 30 Rock just does not do it for me.

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Originally posted by pisher:
Sheesh, I used to think The Office wasn't getting much of a bump from all Carell's movies.

But compared to the bump 30 Rock is getting from Fey's latest film, it looks pretty solid by comparison.

Nothing will ever make people like 30 Rock. I watched a bit last night--it's just awful. I don't know what the people praising it to the skies are smoking, but I want some.

IMO SN is going down with its quality. This season there were only a couple of decent episodes. Not to mention there were a couple abysmal: yesterday's episode and the dream episode

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Originally posted by TravisYanan:
We'll see how the finals work out (after all, Grey's ran two minutes into the 10pm hour), but it looks like "best retention ever" out of Grey's for Lost.

It wouldn't surprise me if the correction for those two minutes was enough to give Grey's Anatomy a higher viewer number than CSI.

I'm not surprise at GA's decline. This show has become a sub-par run of the mill medical drama with far too many soapy elements. I'm glad many other viewers start seeing it.
CSI's numbers are a bit alarming, as the show is as strong as ever, creatively speaking. My guess is when the DVR numbers come in the picture will change considerably.

Am i the only one who thinks that most of the shows after the strike are pretty bad? I thought that during the strike the writers would come up woth great ideas, but most of the episodes i watched are below the average quality of the shows.

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Originally posted by total eclipse:
I'm not surprise at GA's decline. This show has become a sub-par run of the mill medical drama with far too many soapy elements. I'm glad many other viewers start seeing it.
CSI's numbers are a bit alarming, as the show is as strong as ever, creatively speaking. My guess is when the DVR numbers come in the picture will change considerably.

GA has been a sinking ship for a year now. A bad soap that belongs on daytime.

CSI's numbers have no excuse people knew it has been back it wasn't the first show back like GA was.

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Originally posted by Suzaku:
It's never a viable strategy for television shows period. Isn't Friday Night Lights done with the same camera action?

NYPD Blue did just fine in the ratings with a 'shaking camera'.

As a whole, ABC underperformed. Ugly Betty took a huge decline. No matter how hard ABC pushes it, it is never going to be a hit. I agree that the concept is getting stale. I'm sure they wanted the GA and Lost numbers to be a bit higher too.

30 Rock and Scrubs are never going to work. NBC can relocate them again and again and they will always underperform. I still don't understand why ABC would want it. Their comedies are in bad enough shape as is.

Supernatural's numbers are just plain bad. What happened?

I agree...I think everything was rushed. But I also think the strike had a detrimental impact on everything.

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Originally posted by robert:
Am i the only one who thinks that most of the shows after the strike are pretty bad? I thought that during the strike the writers would come up woth great ideas, but most of the episodes i watched are below the average quality of the shows.

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Originally posted by total eclipse:
I'm not surprise at GA's decline. This show has become a sub-par run of the mill medical drama with far too many soapy elements. I'm glad many other viewers start seeing it.
CSI's numbers are a bit alarming, as the show is as strong as ever, creatively speaking. My guess is when the DVR numbers come in the picture will change considerably.

You mean Grey's will thoroughly kick CSI's butt in both measures? Because I suspect that.

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Originally posted by TravisYanan:

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Are the viewers not aware that these shows have come back?

I don't know, but if I were Steve McPherson, I would hold off on new shows until at least January and spend the summer reminding people that Desperate Housewives, Brothers & Sisters, Grey's Anatomy, Ugly Betty, and the Wednesday night drama line-up are still on TV (I use those shows because they're already picked up... whereas stuff like WMC, BL, MIT, etc are on the fence). I mean... a massive campaign. Massive.

Until JANUARY? Are you kidding me? Regardless, what's the point of doing that "MASSIVE" promo campaign during the summer when ABC will have a difficult time cracking a mid-2 demo? And what about November sweeps?

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Supernatural had nobody but themselves to blame with their horrible camera action. Even Cloverfield had better camera work, and I couldn't stand Cloverfield.

Nobody could stand Cloverfield, so how the hell did it make 80 million dollars? By the studio very cleverly promoting it for a big opening weekend--by the time people figured out it was crap, they'd already spent their money.

Not a viable strategy for SN, sadly.

Actually Cloverfield had a very low amount of studio marketing. The tv spots did not start playing till about a week before the release and most of the tv spots played on low rated channels like MTV and Sci-fi. There was barely any promotion on the big networks. Most of the hype was fan generated and self sustained with the viral stuff. Even Baby Mama has had more network trailers then Cloverfield. In addition to 80 million domestic Cloverfield has made more then 85 million and counting internationally.

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Originally posted by robert:
Am i the only one who thinks that most of the shows after the strike are pretty bad? I thought that during the strike the writers would come up woth great ideas, but most of the episodes i watched are below the average quality of the shows.

The strike does seem to be having a big impact on alot of shows.. But the strike isn't to blame for all the drops. Ugly Betty was doing bad before the strike, and Grey's was only on 17 mil then too.
Lost has come back better than it's been in a while. Looks like they really used the strike to think things through. Hopefully the rest of the season keeps up the quality.

EDIT: Oh, I misread your post a bit.

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Originally posted by wenart25:
I think that should say something to Kripke and company. I applaud them for trying something new, but it did not work; the concept they tried. It just did not work and I think that reflects in the ratings.

Peace!

I also found the reality show concept on which the episode pivots to be rather lame.

Yes it was Dumont. And as Pisher mentioned the idea to do a reality style episode did not work for SN. I really do think it backfired on them, which is not a good thing to happen. Hopefully next week the episode will be better.

I am not wondering though...if the CW will move SN away from SV next season?

Peace!!