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Originally posted by TravisYanan:
Thursday original finals and network averages

SHOW/NET                               HH  A18-49     Viewers  A18-34

ABC                                8.1/13  4.8/13  12,371,000
CBS                                9.2/15  4.1/11  14,480,000
NBC                                 4.3/7   2.9/8   6,636,000
FOX                                 5.3/8   2.3/6   8,621,000
CW                                  1.8/3   1.2/3   2,918,000   1.2/4

UGLY BETTY                         6.0/10   2.5/7   8,522,000
GREY'S ANATOMY                    10.7/16  6.5/16  16,373,000
LOST (10:02pm)                     7.4/12  5.3/14  12,075,000

SURVIVOR: MICRONESIA               7.7/13  4.3/13  12,896,000
CSI                               10.6/16  4.7/12  17,015,000
WITHOUT A TRACE (10:01pm)          9.2/15   3.3/9  13,471,000

MY NAME IS EARL                     4.0/7   2.4/7   6,160,000
SCRUBS                              3.5/6   2.5/7   5,390,000
OFFICE                              4.6/7  4.0/10   7,692,000
30 ROCK (9:31pm)                    3.5/5   2.8/7   5,516,000
E.R. (10:01pm)                      5.1/9   3.0/8   7,527,000

SMARTER THAN A 5TH GRADER (8pm)     5.2/9   2.1/6   8,333,000
SMARTER THAN A 5TH GRADER (9:01pm)  5.3/8   2.5/6   8,918,000

SMALLVILLE                          2.2/4   1.5/4   3,620,000   1.5/5
SUPERNATURAL                        1.4/2   1.0/2   2,216,000   0.9/2

I'll post Supernatural half-hours soon (because there were requests), and detailed Lost half hours with the 9:30pm ratings for Grey's because I, frankly, find them fascinating.

You really have to commend ER last night. Yes, the show is long in the tooth age wise, but creatively it's solid. In addition, it had the most competition it's probably ever had and still delivered a 3.0 18-49. I've always felt a show with a 3.0+ that doesn't have a huge in needs to be renewed.

Considering its lead in was lower than that, I give ER a lot of credit. While Without A Trace has good viewer numbers, CBS should be embarrased about those 18-49s - only beating ER by 10%.

CSI beat 30 Rock by 68%, but WAT only beat ER by 10%.

I also don't think you can judge 30 Rock at 9:30 yet. I had my recorder set for 8:30 and they moved it at the last minute and I missed it.

I'd probably not call ER a loser and WAT would be honorable mention at best - with only 70% retention. Actually, 30 Rock had the same retention out of the Office than WAT did out of CSI - yet one was a winner, one was a loser - and there was only 0.5 different in rating.

I'd love to hear someone else comment on this...

My question is:

Why did NBC move Scrubs & 30 Rock?

Scrubs' ratings were up year to year, it was getting over 7 million behind The Office, which is good in terms of Scrubs. This idiotic move just ruined the trend that was forming.

NBC should just move Scrubs back, as the ratings would do better and probably start to rise as everyone thinks this is the final season, and NBC will promote it as the series finale, and not season.

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Originally posted by Justin:
My question is:

Why did NBC move Scrubs & 30 Rock?

Scrubs' ratings were up year to year, it was getting over 7 million behind The Office, which is good in terms of Scrubs. This idiotic move just ruined the trend that was forming.

NBC should just move Scrubs back, as the ratings would do better and probably start to rise as everyone thinks this is the final season, and NBC will promote it as the series finale, and not season.

NBC believes in 30 Rock and I think they wanted to give it the stronger lead-in. Plus Scrubs was giving away way too much of the Office lead-in. I agree with the move, but it was done at the last minute.

NBC might want to consider an Office rerun at 9:30 the rest of sweeps.

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Originally posted by Anthony:

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Originally posted by Justin:
My question is:

Why did NBC move Scrubs & 30 Rock?

Scrubs' ratings were up year to year, it was getting over 7 million behind The Office, which is good in terms of Scrubs. This idiotic move just ruined the trend that was forming.

NBC should just move Scrubs back, as the ratings would do better and probably start to rise as everyone thinks this is the final season, and NBC will promote it as the series finale, and not season.

NBC believes in 30 Rock and I think they wanted to give it the stronger lead-in. Plus Scrubs was giving away way too much of the Office lead-in. I agree with the move, but it was done at the last minute.

NBC might want to consider an Office rerun at 9:30 the rest of sweeps.

Giving away too much of the lead in? It still skewed over 7 million, and not a horrible demo. Scrubs' retention of total viewers was greater than 30 Rock's.

Was one tree hilss ratings better on monday or tuesdays?

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Originally posted by Justin:
My question is:

Why did NBC move Scrubs & 30 Rock?

Scrubs' ratings were up year to year, it was getting over 7 million behind The Office, which is good in terms of Scrubs. This idiotic move just ruined the trend that was forming.

NBC should just move Scrubs back, as the ratings would do better and probably start to rise as everyone thinks this is the final season, and NBC will promote it as the series finale, and not season.

Two reasons.

One--NBC doesn't give a rat's ass about Scrubs. The show is all but gone from NBC's air.
Two--MILF Island. If you need to have that explained, then you haven't been paying attention.

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Originally posted by Walter:
Was one tree hilss ratings better on monday or tuesdays?

Tuesdays.

It should just follow Top Model, that's where it'd get the best ratings.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:

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Originally posted by Native NYer:

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30 Rock and Scrubs are never going to work. NBC can relocate them again and again and they will always underperform. I still don't understand why ABC would want it. Their comedies are in bad enough shape as is.

B/c ABC's production company owns Scrubs. It reaps money from syndication deals.

It only matters that the show stays in production to reach enough episodes (generally 100, more or less) to sell into syndication). Although it looks like they have enough.

It doesn't matter where the first-run airs. ABC only wants Scrubs to ensure enough episodes to complete the syndication package. ABC Studios owns the show and the syndie rights no matter who airs it. They want it because they have holes on their schedule.

They don't want it. Trust me. If they wanted it, they would've jacked the price up so much last that NBC wouldn't have wanted it. If I was ABC, I'd burn off the eps on Saturday night.

ABC wants it, alright. There's little thing called a contract, which expires with this season. NBC was all puffed up and making noises about their right of first refusal, blah blah, but they're not interested in the show, other than to keep it away from ABC.

It's all moot, anyway, since NBC has announced their schedule and Scrubs is nowhere to be found

MyNetworkTV got a sizeable rating last night with "Rush Hour" starring Mr. Jackie Chan which pulled in 1.9 million viewers.

Year-over-year, the six-network total viewership was down by only 3%.

ABC Leaps Into Demo Lead on First Night of the 2008 May Sweep - CBS Wins Households and Viewers

After the first night of the May Sweep, ABC jumped into an early lead in the young adult demo, while CBS was the top network in households and viewership.

While FOX fell year-over-year in A18-49 demo, it actually increased in both households and viewership. And on the first night of the Sweep, MyNetworkTV showed significant year-over-year improvement in viewership, with growth of 94%. Of the remaining four networks, all showed year-over-year erosion, with ABC's fall-off the least.

Also of note, in this era of DVR's, viewership of the Big Six networks is off by only 3% year-over-year, HUT down by 6% (without MNT numbers), while the A18-49 demo is down a more significant 13% (again, pre-MNT numbers).

					nights	nights
demo	web	demo	demo	%	won	won
Rank	web	2008	2007	chg	2008	2007
1	ABC	4.80	5.20	-8%	1	1
2	CBS	4.10	4.77	-14%		
3	NBC	2.90	3.20	-9%		
4	FOX	2.30	2.70	-15%		
5	CW	1.20	1.40	-14%		
6	MNT	n.a.	0.30	-100%		
	total	15.30	17.57	-13%	1	1

					nights	nights
HH	web	HH	HH	HH	won	won
rank	web	2008	2007	chg	2008	2007
1	CBS	9.2	9.9	-7%	1	1
3	FOX	5.3	4.7	14%		
2	ABC	8.1	8.6	-6%		
4	NBC	4.3	4.6	-7%		
5	CW	1.8	2.3	-22%		
6	MNT	n.a.	0.6	-100%		
	total	28.7	30.7	-6%	1	1

					nights	nights
viewers	web	viewers	viewers	viewers	won	won
rank	web	2008	2007	chg	2008	2007
1	CBS	14.480	16.043	-10%	1	1
2	ABC	12.371	12.900	-4%		
3	FOX	8.621	7.445	16%		
4	NBC	6.636	7.243	-8%		
5	CW	2.918	3.605	-19%		
6	MNT	1.900	0.980	94%		
	total	46.93	48.217	-3%	1	1

  

This years and last years numbers are based upon final Nielsen numbers, except for MyNetworkTV which are preliminary viewer estimates only.

What I find totally interesting is the going back and forth between SN and Reaper fans about the ratings. I do think that it is kind of weird that debate is still ongoing. Both shows can exist on the CW because they need them for the rest of the season and next year. I just do not understand the constant bickering or reasoning for it.

Peace!!

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Originally posted by wenart25:
What I find totally interesting is the going back and forth between SN and Reaper fans about the ratings. I do think that it is kind of weird that debate is still ongoing. Both shows can exist on the CW because they need them for the rest of the season and next year. I just do not understand the constant bickering or reasoning for it.

Peace!!

Supernatural fans claim their show is so superior when ratings have proven time and time again that it isn't.

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Originally posted by Native NYer:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:

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Originally posted by Native NYer:

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Originally posted by trebek:

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30 Rock and Scrubs are never going to work. NBC can relocate them again and again and they will always underperform. I still don't understand why ABC would want it. Their comedies are in bad enough shape as is.

Then NBC is winning because the show is proving time and time again that its not worth picking up. I expect a last minute NBC pickup just to show they're in charge.

B/c ABC's production company owns Scrubs. It reaps money from syndication deals.

It only matters that the show stays in production to reach enough episodes (generally 100, more or less) to sell into syndication). Although it looks like they have enough.

It doesn't matter where the first-run airs. ABC only wants Scrubs to ensure enough episodes to complete the syndication package. ABC Studios owns the show and the syndie rights no matter who airs it. They want it because they have holes on their schedule.

They don't want it. Trust me. If they wanted it, they would've jacked the price up so much last that NBC wouldn't have wanted it. If I was ABC, I'd burn off the eps on Saturday night.

ABC wants it, alright. There's little thing called a contract, which expires with this season. NBC was all puffed up and making noises about their right of first refusal, blah blah, but they're not interested in the show, other than to keep it away from ABC.

It's all moot, anyway, since NBC has announced their schedule and Scrubs is nowhere to be found

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Originally posted by TravisYanan:
Detailed Lost breakdown

SHOW          GREY’S         LOST         LOST
TIME            9:30        10:02        10:30

HH           11.2/17       7.4/12       7.3/13
A18-34        6.3/17       4.8/13       5.0/15
F18-34        9.8/23       5.6/15       5.8/16
M18-34         2.8/8       3.9/12       4.2/14
A18-49        6.8/16       5.3/14       5.4/15
F18-49       10.1/22       6.2/15       6.1/15
M18-49         3.4/9       4.4/12       4.7/14
A25-54        7.6/17       5.8/14       5.8/15
F25-54       10.8/22       6.7/15       6.5/15
M25-54        4.2/10       4.8/12       5.0/14
T12-17        3.1/11       2.7/10       2.3/10
F12-17        4.9/17       2.9/12       2.1/10
M12-17         1.4/5        2.4/9       2.6/10
Viewers   16,977,000   12,127,000   12,027,000

I think this is really interesting to look at. Basically... Grey's supplies some women to Lost (I looked at an episode earlier this season where Lost did a 5.4 in A18-49... basically the key difference was that behind Grey's, Lost has more key women but slightly less key men, and it averages out basically a wash). However, Lost really has its own, more evenly skewed audience. Especially interesting to me is that Lost actually grew in W18-34 at 10:30pm. Are they compatible as lead-in/lead-out? I think the answer is no. They've really got different audiences. But as ABC hasn't had success harnessing the women Grey's provides with other lead-outs... my guess is we're going to see Lost at 10pm on Thursdays next winter/spring.

Please note this is NOT something I'm going to posting on a regular basis (probably never again... time consuming arse-pain)... I just thought it was interesting.

I knew GA has a bigger female audience, but frankly not at this levels

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Originally posted by Justin:
Why did NBC move Scrubs & 30 Rock?

NBC has 2 very poorly performing sitcoms that should be cancelled: Scrubs and 30 Rock. Since Scrubs is being cancelled and 30 Rock, isn't; it only makes sense for NBC to try and prop up 30 Rock's future by giving it The Office as a lead in. The main drawback is that ER is now saddled with an even worse lead-in than it had with Scrubs.