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Seriously I will take the first 13 episodes of this season over the first 13 episodes of season 1 any day. Casting is stronger. The leads acting is far stronger, the characters are actually far more defined. Sure I wish we could erase Red Sky, and Magnificent Seven. But In season one I would have gotten rid of Hookman, Bugs, Route 666, easily. I will admit that at this same point I thought season 2 was better. But they also didn't ahve the same issues to deal with that this season has. Mandated characters, a strike, a budget decrease, an unusually rush into production of episodes (in two seperate stages). In fact most of the shows I watch this season have declined in quality (personal opinion of course), and I wouldn't be surprised if the strike was a significant issue in that.
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quote: Originally posted by galveston: quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic:
I would not be surprised if next season, NBC only has 2 shows that crack 10 million on a regular basis (LO: SVU and Heroes)
Are you sure you want to put heroes on that list? I'd replace it with Sunday Night NFL.
I wouldn't be surprised either. Will anything but Idol, CSI, DH, and Grey's break 10 million next year? Network television is in free fall.
I'M SORRY THAT POST IS JUST NOT WRIGHT.. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT NBC.. NOT ALL THE NETWORKS!!!!!! MANY SHOW WILL HIT OVER 10 MILLION VIEWERS AND T.V IS NOT ON A FREE FALL. ITS JUST DOWN BECAUSE OF THE STRIKE. JUST BECAUSE ONE NIGHT SHOW WERE DOWN DOSE NOT ME THAT T.V IS ON A FREE FALL. |
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quote: Originally posted by galveston: quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic:
I would not be surprised if next season, NBC only has 2 shows that crack 10 million on a regular basis (LO: SVU and Heroes)
Are you sure you want to put heroes on that list? I'd replace it with Sunday Night NFL.
I wouldn't be surprised either. Will anything but Idol, CSI, DH, and Grey's break 10 million next year? Network television is in free fall.
He,he. Well my Amazing Race was up this year. But yeah, standard tv viewership is down considerable. Many even with full lve plus 7 are down.
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quote: Originally posted by galveston: quote: And nobody needs to watch every episode of a show to see the same predictable creative trends occurring, time after time.
You know why their "The mystery of their mother's death is unsolved!" argument is so lame?
Because the writers have no intention of resolving that anytime soon. It isn't driving the narrative--it never did. Most people don't care who killed their mom--she was dead years before the show started.
And they could resolve that 'mystery' (gee--could it have been some demonic entity who killed her?) in one ep, if they had to. That's not a reason for people to hang around, week after week.
Apparently you need to watch it every week , pisher.  We already know who killed her. I wasn't talking about that. Try again. You really should watch a show before you criticize.
I thought you had to go? Please, run along now.
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quote: Apparently you need to watch it every week , pisher. We already know who killed her. I wasn't talking about that. Try again. You really should watch a show before you criticize.
Not if it's Supernatural, I shouldn't. I'm quite happy to go on being misinformed, if that's the price of information. Although we both know I could learn every single major plot twist on fansites or Wikipedia. If it's not her murder, it's not dealt with in the pilot (which I watched in its entirety, and thought it only kinda half-sucked), which means they introduced it later on--shows running out of stories always do this, and it rarely works. Well, that's just a wild guess, based on too many years of watching bad genre shows--let's see if I'm right-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural_(TV_series)#Season_threeDude. This is a SEASON arc, not a SERIES arc. It's been retconned in. They'll probably resolve it this year, and if they don't, they've got another whole season, right? It's pretty sad that I can average about one SN ep a year, and still understand it better than somebody who probably watches every single episode ten or twenty times. |
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quote: Guys, please show me where I said I was a regular viewer of Supernatural. We've had this discussion before. For the record, these are the network shows I regularly watch now--
The Office
Lost
How I Met Your Mother (some weeks)
The Simpsons (some weeks)
Family Guy (some weeks)
American Dad (some weeks)
Sorry, but I've got a life. Not to mention cable.
Wow Pisher, for someone who only regularly watches 2 shows a week and at the most you watch 4 hours of network programming a week. You sure spend a lot of time on these boards commenting about network television shows. I think you could be the only one, who spends more time commenting about network programming then actually watching them. You just lost some credibility. |
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or is it Nielsen? quote: I wouldn't be surprised either. Will anything but Idol, CSI, DH, and Grey's break 10 million next year? Network television is in free fall.
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quote: Originally posted by Walter: quote: Originally posted by galveston: quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic:
I would not be surprised if next season, NBC only has 2 shows that crack 10 million on a regular basis (LO: SVU and Heroes)
Are you sure you want to put heroes on that list? I'd replace it with Sunday Night NFL.
I wouldn't be surprised either. Will anything but Idol, CSI, DH, and Grey's break 10 million next year? Network television is in free fall.
I'M SORRY THAT POST IS JUST NOT WRIGHT.. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT NBC.. NOT ALL THE NETWORKS!!!!!! MANY SHOW WILL HIT OVER 10 MILLION VIEWERS AND T.V IS NOT ON A FREE FALL. ITS JUST DOWN BECAUSE OF THE STRIKE. JUST BECAUSE ONE NIGHT SHOW WERE DOWN DOSE NOT ME THAT T.V IS ON A FREE FALL.
It's not all because of the strike. Alot of shows were down from the year prior before the strike. But some (Lost) are at the same levels, possibly even up from last year.
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quote: Wow Pisher, for someone who only regularly watches 2 shows a week
Which wasn't the case when I first came here, but can I just ask--did you completely miss my reference to having cable? Or do you just not think cable shows count as shows?  |
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quote: Originally posted by Lost_Dom: quote: Originally posted by Walter: quote: Originally posted by galveston: quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic:
I would not be surprised if next season, NBC only has 2 shows that crack 10 million on a regular basis (LO: SVU and Heroes)
Are you sure you want to put heroes on that list? I'd replace it with Sunday Night NFL.
I wouldn't be surprised either. Will anything but Idol, CSI, DH, and Grey's break 10 million next year? Network television is in free fall.
I'M SORRY THAT POST IS JUST NOT WRIGHT.. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT NBC.. NOT ALL THE NETWORKS!!!!!! MANY SHOW WILL HIT OVER 10 MILLION VIEWERS AND T.V IS NOT ON A FREE FALL. ITS JUST DOWN BECAUSE OF THE STRIKE. JUST BECAUSE ONE NIGHT SHOW WERE DOWN DOSE NOT ME THAT T.V IS ON A FREE FALL.
It's not all because of the strike. Alot of shows were down from the year prior before the strike. But some (Lost) are at the same levels, possibly even up from last year.
Well t.v is not on a free fall. |
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quote: Originally posted by galveston:
A temporary blip, mushu. It's surprising, but SN will rebound. The problem is, Reaper always pulls those kind of numbers. There's a reason it hasn't yet been renewed.
Apparently you have memory loss because Reaper pulled as high as 2.9 million behind Smallville just one month ago. Feel free to head back to Supernatural delusion land now.
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quote: I thought you had to go? Please, run along now.
I actually do have to go--lots of stuff to do over the weekend, taking off early. As an aside--for anyone who thinks this forum represents a fair sampling of TV viewer opinions--can I just mention in passing that on a thread devoted to a night that saw new episodes of Greys Anatomy, Lost, CSI, and The Office, the show that ended up getting discussed most frequently (and obsessively) was Supernatural? |
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quote: Not if it's Supernatural, I shouldn't. I'm quite happy to go on being misinformed, if that's the price of information. Although we both know I could learn every single major plot twist on fansites or Wikipedia. If it's not her murder, it's not dealt with in the pilot (which I watched in its entirety, and thought it only kinda half-sucked), which means they introduced it later on--shows running out of stories always do this, and it rarely works. Well, that's just a wild guess, based on too many years of watching bad genre shows--let's see if I'm right-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural_(TV_series)#Season_threeDude. This is a SEASON arc, not a SERIES arc. It's been retconned in. They'll probably resolve it this year, and if they don't, they've got another whole season, right? It's pretty sad that I can average about one SN ep a year, and still understand it better than somebody who probably watches every single episode ten or twenty times.
Nope, you still don't know what plot point I'm talking about. It was hinted at in a season one episode, not retconned in. I give you props, though. You are trying hard to rattle chains. You're adorable. I love tenacity. BTW, I'm not a dude. No Walter, that was hermitme who had to go. I can stay. And network television is in free fall, yes. |
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quote: Originally posted by Walter: quote: Originally posted by Lost_Dom: quote: Originally posted by Walter: quote: Originally posted by galveston: quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic:
I would not be surprised if next season, NBC only has 2 shows that crack 10 million on a regular basis (LO: SVU and Heroes)
Are you sure you want to put heroes on that list? I'd replace it with Sunday Night NFL.
I wouldn't be surprised either. Will anything but Idol, CSI, DH, and Grey's break 10 million next year? Network television is in free fall.
I'M SORRY THAT POST IS JUST NOT WRIGHT.. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT NBC.. NOT ALL THE NETWORKS!!!!!! MANY SHOW WILL HIT OVER 10 MILLION VIEWERS AND T.V IS NOT ON A FREE FALL. ITS JUST DOWN BECAUSE OF THE STRIKE. JUST BECAUSE ONE NIGHT SHOW WERE DOWN DOSE NOT ME THAT T.V IS ON A FREE FALL.
It's not all because of the strike. Alot of shows were down from the year prior before the strike. But some (Lost) are at the same levels, possibly even up from last year.
Well t.v is not on a free fall.
No, it's not. Some shows were affected by the strike, but some are just loosing steam.
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