Originally posted by lopez: [QUOTE] "We're going to be able to program Friday more aggressively, we're going to have more scripted on Sunday, we're going to about to open up more nights," Silverman said. "This is going to strengthen our entire primetime lineup."
Silverman emphasized that the move will not result in a cutback in development. In fact, Silverman said he will put more scripted programming on Friday and Sunday nights as a result of filling 10 p.m. with Leno.
—Mr. Leno's show will not simply replicate the format of "The Tonight Show." Key elements, such as a monologue and bits such as "Headlines" and "Jaywalking," will make the transition, but Mr. Leno might not have a desk. The idea is to make sure that Conan O'Brien's "Tonight Show" feels like "The Tonight Show." Mr. Leno will remain in his Burbank studios, however.
—Debbie Vickers, currently executive producer of "Tonight," will run Mr. Leno's prime-time show. A number of staffers will make the transistion as well, and bandleader Kevin Eubanks is expected to be invited to reprise his role in prime time. —Mr. Leno will produce original shows between 46 and 48 weeks a year. He's expected to begin the new show as early as August 2009.
—NBC Universal chief Jeff Zucker had talked to Mr. Leno about doing an 8 p.m. show a few years ago, but Mr. Leno didn't like the idea, thinking his show wouldn't make sense as a prime-time anchor, people familiar with the conversations said. After doing extensive research on the idea of a 10 p.m. show, NBC pitched Mr. Leno on that idea. He again was reluctant, but as prime-time ratings for all the networks continued to erode, he reconsidered.
—NBC might not simply cut its production slate by five prime-time hours as a result of the deal with Mr. Leno. It's possible the network could decide to have a certain time-slot play host to more than one show—"Law & Order" could share a time period with "Medium," for example, assuming both shows return. Such a scenario would help NBC achieve its stated goal of offering viewers original programming all year long.
While CBS could be angry at these affiliates for their preemptions, I would argue that its the national network that should really consider how many of the local affiliates are preempting national programming before scheduling stuff. Granted, some of this stuff is last minute, but I would guess affiliates schedule these things mostly in advance. Wouldn't they have to let the network know what's going on? A wise move for the national network would be make the agreement that original stuff that meets a certain national rating on average shouldn't get originals preempted unless in special circumstances. If a show is a bomb, go for it. I could see affiliates having no problem bumping Crusoe or Lipstick Jungle to late night for a Billy Graham special. I know our local CBS affiliate usually does weather specials each season. I noticed just the other day that the CBS affiliate out of Des Moines is bumping Christine and Gary this week to late night for some holiday special. Its just the way it works out. I also think its the national network's responsibility to make sure that the local affiliates can reair the shows later. I know at one time NBC didn't allow this (and I think they still don't). It's a very stupid decision on their part.
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Originally posted by Twins12: Those markets are # 21 and # 32. Not the biggest, but not small either. There were some other small market preemptions, too. They look for a half hour 8:00 show to preempt so they do not have to preempt a full hour so BBT gets the preemption. BBT fell in the finals 400,000 last week and 300,000 this week. The other sitcoms did not fall much if at all. The 8:00 preemption is affecting it. This show would be approaching the 11 million mark if it was not for the preemptions.
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Originally posted by T Dog: That's always been the case with CBS' St. Louis affiliate, since the network sold it in 1986, to fend off Ted Turner's takeover attempt. At one time, KMOV was preempting about 100 hours of CBS programming a year in prime-time. The number's probably come down a bit since then.
I don't think a St. Louis and Columbus pre-emption wouldn't hurt all that much given the size of those markets. But if it were Washington D.C. and Atlanta - the largest affiliates outside of the O&Os... that's a problem.
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Originally posted by Twins12: Yeah, and it would be doing even better if all the CBS affiliates would ever air the show. For the second week in a row it was preempted in St. Louis and Columbus, OH and a couple of other affiliates. Something about a CBS agreement where affiliates can show other programming at 8:00, and keep all the advertising income. It lost roughly 300,00-400,000 viewers in the finals the past two weeks with preemptions, while the other CBS sitcoms all aired in all markets. It would easily be CBS's second most viewed sitcom if the it ever had full coverage from all affiliates.
I think it is unfair to the shows that are battling for ratings to stay alive, and it is also unfair to the many viewers who are upset that they missed their favorite shows. I found about this because I ran into several angry BBT fans in other forums that are in St. Louis and Columbus, Oh and one somewhere in the south that missed the show last night. It is simply an unfair practice. Show the network programming or don't be an affiliate. It is fine to interupt for a news emergencies, or maybe even a prescheduled football game, but to preempt for a cooking show in St. Louis last week or a DTV transistion show in Columbus is just unfair.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: While CBS could be angry at these affiliates for their preemptions, I would argue that its the national network that should really consider how many of the local affiliates are preempting national programming before scheduling stuff. Granted, some of this stuff is last minute, but I would guess affiliates schedule these things mostly in advance. Wouldn't they have to let the network know what's going on? A wise move for the national network would be make the agreement that original stuff that meets a certain national rating on average shouldn't get originals preempted unless in special circumstances. If a show is a bomb, go for it. I could see affiliates having no problem bumping Crusoe or Lipstick Jungle to late night for a Billy Graham special. I know our local CBS affiliate usually does weather specials each season. I noticed just the other day that the CBS affiliate out of Des Moines is bumping Christine and Gary this week to late night for some holiday special. Its just the way it works out. I also think its the national network's responsibility to make sure that the local affiliates can reair the shows later. I know at one time NBC didn't allow this (and I think they still don't). It's a very stupid decision on their part.
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Originally posted by Twins12: Those markets are # 21 and # 32. Not the biggest, but not small either. There were some other small market preemptions, too. They look for a half hour 8:00 show to preempt so they do not have to preempt a full hour so BBT gets the preemption. BBT fell in the finals 400,000 last week and 300,000 this week. The other sitcoms did not fall much if at all. The 8:00 preemption is affecting it. This show would be approaching the 11 million mark if it was not for the preemptions.
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Originally posted by T Dog: That's always been the case with CBS' St. Louis affiliate, since the network sold it in 1986, to fend off Ted Turner's takeover attempt. At one time, KMOV was preempting about 100 hours of CBS programming a year in prime-time. The number's probably come down a bit since then.
I don't think a St. Louis and Columbus pre-emption wouldn't hurt all that much given the size of those markets. But if it were Washington D.C. and Atlanta - the largest affiliates outside of the O&Os... that's a problem.
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Originally posted by Twins12: Yeah, and it would be doing even better if all the CBS affiliates would ever air the show. For the second week in a row it was preempted in St. Louis and Columbus, OH and a couple of other affiliates. Something about a CBS agreement where affiliates can show other programming at 8:00, and keep all the advertising income. It lost roughly 300,00-400,000 viewers in the finals the past two weeks with preemptions, while the other CBS sitcoms all aired in all markets. It would easily be CBS's second most viewed sitcom if the it ever had full coverage from all affiliates.
Originally posted by Twins12: I think it is unfair to the shows that are battling for ratings to stay alive, and it is also unfair to the many viewers who are upset that they missed their favorite shows. I found about this because I ran into several angry BBT fans in other forums that are in St. Louis and Columbus, Oh and one somewhere in the south that missed the show last night. It is simply an unfair practice. Show the network programming or don't be an affiliate. It is fine to interupt for a news emergencies, or maybe even a prescheduled football game, but to preempt for a cooking show in St. Louis last week or a DTV transistion show in Columbus is just unfair.
Cooking show does sound like a bit of a stretch, but a DTV transition show does not. The affiliates are really doing everything they can to make sure you can see the shows come February. If they didn't do things like that, we may end up with really low numbers come Feb. for many shows. Besides, I'm sure both affiliates could've aired the program in late night and probably did and most people have some way to record them yet.
I am not saying there is anything wrong with a DTV show. I am saying it does not belong on during prime time while preempting a show. Put it on at 7:00. It does not need to air at 8:00.
By the way, I am now hearing that NCIS was preemepted in parts of Connecticut last night. I know it was a repeat, but this CBS pattern continues. They have sold out to their affiliates, and the 8:00 shows are constantly being preempted. Not fair to the shows, and not fair to the viewers.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
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Originally posted by Twins12: I think it is unfair to the shows that are battling for ratings to stay alive, and it is also unfair to the many viewers who are upset that they missed their favorite shows. I found about this because I ran into several angry BBT fans in other forums that are in St. Louis and Columbus, Oh and one somewhere in the south that missed the show last night. It is simply an unfair practice. Show the network programming or don't be an affiliate. It is fine to interupt for a news emergencies, or maybe even a prescheduled football game, but to preempt for a cooking show in St. Louis last week or a DTV transistion show in Columbus is just unfair.
Cooking show does sound like a bit of a stretch, but a DTV transition show does not. The affiliates are really doing everything they can to make sure you can see the shows come February. If they didn't do things like that, we may end up with really low numbers come Feb. for many shows. Besides, I'm sure both affiliates could've aired the program in late night and probably did and most people have some way to record them yet.
Am I the only one who finds pisher funny? Plus the fact that most of the time he actually makes valid arguements.
I'm not one for making comments on the commenters, however I don't mind seconding somebody who's actually said something nice about someone. So yes. I find pisher quite funny, and knowledgeable.
Unfortunatley the ratings may be tired for PRISON BREAK but creativly if you check message boars like TWOP its one of the most popular seasons since Season One.
And no series on prime time does cliffhangers before commercials like PRISON BREAK...no one!
That's actually not even true. Prison Break used to get 20+ pages of discussion on TWOP in Season Two (and even more during Season One). Now it's getting... 7 pages at best. So, don't talk about it being popular these days... it's never been this unpopular (at least not on TWOP).
For the 11th episode of Prison Break's 4th season, TWOP had 5 pages of discussion. Compare that to Lost's 11th episode of it's 4th season, which got 44 pages of discussion. That tells a story!
Okay, I know this is stupid, but I HHHHHHHHHHATE this season of Prison Break (have hated the show since it got shitty midway to Season Two) and I can't stand people calling it good. I always have to go out of my way to prove that it SUCKS.
Don't watch it then if you hate it so much dopey. Game over.
Originally posted by robert: PB it's not good this season, it's fantastic actually. Too bad almost nobodey watches it anymore.
agreed. I hate scc this season because it's too much about character development and very little action. If I wanted to watch a show for dialogue, I'd watch The O.C. reruns on soapnet or One Tree Hill (which I do). I watch shows like scc for the action, and that's why season one was 10x better because it had more action. People must agree with me, as the ratings were better last year, and ever since the season premiere they have went down, which was a good episode btw but since then only 2 or 3 have been good. Prison Break has a great mix of dialouge and action, and that's why I love it so much. I don't care about the ratings at this point, because it sounds like fox will give it the proper goodbye in march or april, or in the summer at the very least.
Market Market U.S. HH
Rank Market Rtg/Sh 18-49 : #HH Tot HH Coverage
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1 NEW YORK 0.6/ 1 : 44 7433.82 6.495%
2 LOS ANGELES 0.2/ 0 : 13 5654.26 4.940%
3 CHICAGO 0.3/ 1 : 11 3492.85 3.052%
7 BOSTON-Manchester 0.8/ 1 : 18 2409.08 2.105%
Boston Legal "Made in China/Last Call" (series finale) (ABC) Monday, December 8
Market Market U.S. HH
Rank Market Rtg/Sh 18-49 : #HH Tot HH Coverage
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1 NEW YORK 7.0/11 2.2/ 6 : 518 7433.82 6.495%
2 LOS ANGELES 5.2/10 1.2/ 4 : 321 5654.26 4.940%
3 CHICAGO 9.5/14 3.4/ 9 : 333 3492.85 3.052%
7 BOSTON-Manchester 7.6/12 1.6/ 4 : 184 2409.08 2.105%
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I always have to go out of my way to prove that it SUCKS. 
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