Travis, do you have the final Sunday numbers for Battlestar yet? If you do, would you mind posting them in the Sunday thread? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks for posting numbers this week.

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VM W18-34: 2.3/5 (#4 in time period). It was #2 in female teens (2.0/6).

And was #1 of female teens that lived in cold weather states whos parents voted for Gore in 2000, but for Bush in 2004.

because its probably going to cancelled and why waste promotions on anyone other than Tyra

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Originally posted by TravisYanan:

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If you want cheering up, you could check out TWoP. They're totally celebrating VM's stellar 2.74 million total viewers.

And sadly, I tend to think they're right in thinking it'll probably be enough for CW to renew it.

Oh, TWoP.

The interesting this is that, after watching my DVRed VM, I watched DVRed Gilmore Girls. And there was not ONE promo for VM during the hour. It was ALL about Top Model and Pussycat Dolls. Not. A. Single. One. For. V. M.

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Judging by the half hour #'s, VM seems to owe most of its improvement this week to last night's ep being the finale of a multi-ep arc, as opposed to people switching over once Idol was done. People who are only half-interested in a story often skip ahead to the ending. Or wait for it.

Probably better for the show that it isn't just a case of "Idol's done, let's watch something else" because it means people are actually seeking the show out, not a time-filler.

The show actually did a very good job of explaining everything in the first two minutes to viewers who hadn't watched the arc, and for the first time in an arc-ender, the true answer wasn't figured out (at least in the show) until the final minutes AND Veronica's life wasn't put in danger because she figured it out. Her confrontation with the murdered was fantastically played out.

The O'Dell murder mystery wasn't as interesting as it ought to have been, and meant less to viewers than it should've. The main problem was the it was Keith's case until this episode. Even though Veronica liked the Dean and he (apparently) liked her, it was all about Keith for the investigation part of this arc until the end.

A very nice non-cliffhanger ending, too.

And given the complete lack of promotion this "end of arc" episode received (versus the huge push for "Spit & Eggs"), any uptick is a good sign. Seriously, there was no promotion whatsoever.

Tend to your hospitalized family member. Hope all turns out well, pisher.

I agree with your list and I would also give an honorable mention to the Criminal Minds R which finished second in the hour.

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Originally posted by tknowzbest:
Tuesday's Winners/Losers


Tuesday's Ratings Winners:
American Idol (Fox), NCIS (CBS), Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader? (Fox)


Honorable Mention:
The Unit (CBS)


Tuesday's Ratings Losers:
Primetime: The Outsiders (ABC), Dateline (NBC), Veronica Mars (CW)

Hi Pisher, and my best wishes for a speedy recovery for your relative.

I have posted weekly numbers for MNT down in the folder Marc kindly set up for us devoted followers of the telenovellas. Here is a precis of a recent posting I made down there.

The numbers come from the CAB website. MNT season-to-date is 0.6HH and 1% share, and the Nielsens for Wicked Wicked Games / Watch Over Me indicate that they've settled in at the 0.5HH, 0.3 A18-49 1% share levels:

Desire / Fashion House
Week, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12*
HUT, 0.9, 0.8, 0.6, 0.5, 0.6, 0.7, 0.7, 0.7, 0.6, 0.7, 0.6, 0.5, 0.7, 0.6*
*2 nights


Wicked Wicked Games / Watch Over Me
Week 12**, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19
HUT, 0.6**, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.4, 0.5
**4 nights

I still haven't been able to learn on which nights MNT is strongest or weakest.

I also saw in several articles that each hour of telenovella serial costs $200K to produce ($13 million for a season of 65 episodes) vs. the more typical $2-4MM for network dramas. They are produced using Dogme-like production techniques that have actors compressing all their scenes into limited shooting days. And a chunk of coin is reserved for a few name stars to headline the show (Ms. Tatum O'Neal, Ms. Bo Derek, Mr. Casper Van Dien, etc.).

The Wicked Wicked Games serial has only five more episodes left (a global recap will be aired this Friday at 8 pm), and it's building towards a slam-bam-thank-you-mam type finish for Blythe Hunter, who makes Lady MacBeth seem to be a kindly old auntie by comparison.

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Does ANYBODY have the #'s for MyNetwork? I thought Marc said they were keeping a tight lid on those.

I'm actually more interested in what their telenovelas cost to make.

That's where you find out just how big a disaster MNTV actually is.

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I also saw in several articles that each hour of telenovella serial costs $200K to produce ($13 million for a season of 65 episodes) vs. the more typical $2-4MM for network dramas.

So, what kind, if any, profit is MNTV making? what are they charging for ad time?
How are the local station responding to this?

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Probably better for the show that it isn't just a case of "Idol's done, let's watch something else" because it means people are actually seeking the show out, not a time-filler.

Well, to be specific it means some people will come back for the end of an arc, even if they weren't interested enough to stick around for the middle of it.

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And given the complete lack of promotion this "end of arc" episode received (versus the huge push for "Spit & Eggs"), any uptick is a good sign. Seriously, there was no promotion whatsoever.

Now you know that isn't true, Travis. You might as well call this post "Spin & Eggs".

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Tend to your hospitalized family member. Hope all turns out well, pisher.

Not a thing I can do about it--just wait and hope. Can't find out a thing. Not a member of my immediate family, but somebody we all hold in very high regard. Totally unexpected.

HH ratings aside, how many people are actually watching MNTV, on average?

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I also saw in several articles that each hour of telenovella serial costs $200K to produce

Sheesh--what a comedown for the 'name' actors involved. I hope they're at least getting fed.

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Now you know that isn't true, Travis. You might as well call this post "Spin & Eggs".

Lol. But, no, I know it is true.

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So are they thinking that if they make the eps all standalones, that means people will think of each one as being an arc finale?

Precisely what I was wondering. People came in for Spit and Eggs - the end of first arc. They came in for this episode with lame title - end of arc. Now there won't be anymore arcs and THAT is supposed to be improvement? In last four episodes, too, when viewers are more or less set in viewing habits? Maybe it will work, dunno. *shrugs*
And what, Veronica will be investigating new murder or rape every episode now? Girl in college? Isn't it a bit ridiculous? Maybe her dad will involve her in investigation but isn't it a bit illegal? Questions, questions.

I'm betting the stand-alone VM eps will focus more on the relationships. In other words, get set for Veronica/Logan make-up/break-up #342.

Uh-huh. Except when you're premise is about competing against 10-year-olds in what essentially is a competition about the ability to recall rather than intelligence, contestants from Mensa probably would not work well.

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Originally posted by robert:
Don't you people get it that many of the idiots that you see on the different shows are teached to act like idiots.
Does anyone think that a show with smart people would actually be a hit?

Weren't people watching by the dozens when Ken Jennngs was on Jeopardy? And didn't Who Wants to Be a Millionaire get its highest ratngs when the first guy won a million dollars? I'm convinced that the only way for a show to work is to have the best contestants on it. If the best contestants are on a show and it still fails, then the show was doomed from the start. Having mediocre contestants on game shows does nothing for no one!

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Lol. But, no, I know it is true.

If by "no promotion", you mean "not enough promotion", that's totally subjective--they could blanket the airwaves, and people would still complain it wasn't promoted, because the ratings would still stink, and you guys just don't want to admit it's the SHOW that most people don't like, never did like, and never will like.

But seriously--not ONE commercial?

Either you're exaggerating, or CW is more fed up with VM than I thought.