I agree. KN is a decent show to watch but it's a one trick pony. It would make perfect filler for summer tv. Hells Kitchen on the other hand is a strong show that i'm sure Fox is looking forward to having back in the lineup in January.
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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD: For the second week in a row, MNIE beat UB in the demos. NBC has to be happy about that, especially for a show that keeps being labeled a loser. As for ABC, by Fall of 2009, something else should be tried out in the Thursday at 8 PM slot. UB is starting to really slide.
K&K had a slight ratings pickup, but it is still losing a lot from MNIE. Looks like LOM is stabilizing.
With 11thH, the demo is concerning. 2.8 is not a good number, especially coming out of CSI. It is stablizing, but out of the 18 to 49 demos.
KN is not a show that should come back on Thursdays next year. I think FOX renewed it too fast. Wouldn't suprise me to see it burned off in summer or on the Friday fall schedule.
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Even if SN drops a million, it would be a reasonable figure considering it would be missing a segment of its audience. Like last week - sure it lost a mill, but its figures were pretty good considering nobody in the biggest market could watch. It's one of the only CW shows that is growing.
I agree that CW should think about more genre shows - but I think they don't skew as young as GG and so on, which is where the CW wants to be the most.
I wonder if its possible for NBC to UN-cancel ER. I don't see why not...its one of their few bright spots.
SURVIVOR-deserves everyone 12 million or so of their viewers by crafting an episode like last night. SUGAR how do I love thee? I love thee for driving up the price of Randy's beers. I love thee for giving away his cookie I love thee for formulating a plan to humilitate Randy and of course I love thee for the best vote out confessinal sound bite ever.LOSER!
And now regarding the cancellation of DIRTY SEXY MONEY...I've been waiting a long time to cheer on the demise of this trashy show. It failed to understand you have to create characters that people Love To HAte...not justHate .
It's weird, the way people go out of their way to complain about 30 Rock's ratings and how it's dropping every week. It's held on to 85-90% of The Office's audience every week this season, right? And posted several of its highest ratings ever? Doesn't that represent growth out of its situation last year? And hasn't The Office also gone down a little bit each of the past few weeks? It seems to be sliding around in the 8-9 million range, while 30 Rock seems to be sliding around in the 7-8 million range. Is that really supposed to be cause for alarm?
As for Marc's question about last night's episode, I'll pipe up and say yes, I enjoyed it a lot, and no, it wasn't awful. I have to say, Marc (and others who complain about the show), it sounds like it just isn't your style of humor at all.
I don't mean that in a condescending way -- it doesn't help anyone's case to say "well then go watch Two and a Half Men if you're too stupid for 30 Rock!!" even though I'm sure fans of the show have all felt that way to some degree or another. I just mean that the show has a very different rhythm -- fast, absurdist, and goofy, with lots of brilliant throwaway stuff, rather than big, capitalized Comedy Moments. Its clear influences stylistically are The Simpsons and Arrested Development, rather than, say, Seinfeld (which I also love) or Friends (which, uh, less so), or even The Office, though I think they work well together.
I feel like a lot of the posters here prefer the more traditional CBS model of the sitcom -- punchlines about husbands and wives and stuff. That's not necessarily a judgment; just an observation. 30 Rock isn't a mainstream show that's ever going to get 10 million viewers a week. But even the mainstreamiest and CBSiest shows aren't cracking 20 million very often anymore; there's a huge shift going on towards more niche programming, even on the broadest outlets. 30 Rock is a great example of that -- it will probably survive much longer than the wonderful Arrested Development, because 7 million viewers in the right demos, repeated Emmy wins, and critical acclaim/devoted fans is now enough to keep a show going, sometimes.
Personally, I find that exciting, not a call for hostility.
Obviously people are entitled to their opinion, but I don't watch Gary Unmarried every week just to say "did you see that last Gary Unmarried? It was so UNFUNNY."
It's weird, the way people go out of their way to complain about 30 Rock's ratings and how it's dropping every week. It's held on to 85-90% of The Office's audience every week this season, right? And posted several of its highest ratings ever? Doesn't that represent growth out of its situation last year? And hasn't The Office also gone down a little bit each of the past few weeks? It seems to be sliding around in the 8-9 million range, while 30 Rock seems to be sliding around in the 7-8 million range. Is that really supposed to be cause for alarm?
Alarm? No. Concern? Yup.
Falling ratings are cause for concern. Falling ratings ultimately lead to canceled shows.
Do we really have to keep hammering this point home? Today of all days?
As awful as Greys has become (and I'm just extrapolating from how awful it was when I stopped watching, season before last), it is the dominant Thursday show, when you weight its demo advantage against CSI's overall numeric advantage.
Imagine how well it might be doing now if they hadn't screwed it up so abysmally.
Be interesting to see how much further CSI drops as longtime viewers who aren't in the loop about cast changes begin to realize it's never going to be the same show again.
It wasn't a good episode at all, especially coming on the heels of one of the best ever when oprah guested 2 weeks ago.
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Originally posted by Cougars80: Boy, Marc, have you changed your tune. For the last year and a half you have done nothing but rag on ER - how poorly it is doing and how NBC should have ended it years ago (even though it has always been competitive in its time period). Now all of a sudden you lament its demise! Glad you've come around.
I think maybe it shows how bad NBC is doing as opposed to how well ER is doing.
I watched 30 Rock last night because I love Steve Martin. What a bizarre episode. That's the only storyline they could think of??
After 22 Days of November Sweep, ABC and CBS Deadlocked in A18-49 Tie; CBS First in Households & P2+ Viewers
After 22 days of the 2008 November Sweep, CBS and ABC are tied in A18-49s as both networks have a 3.14 average (still awaiting a complete set of finals for last Friday, Saturday and Sunday). In A18-49s, NBC is in third place with 2.93, and FOX is fourth with 2.60. At the bottom are the mininets starting with Univision at 1.58, The CW at 1.03 and MyNetworkTV in last averaging 0.55.
In households and viewers, CBS is first, with ABC second, NBC third, FOX fourth followed by the mininets.
MyNetworkTV and Univision are the only two networks showing any year-over-year improvement. MyNetworkTV is up +29% in A18-49, up +40% in households, and up +50% in viewers from last year. Univision is even in households and up 2% in viewers from last year. All other networks are down from last year, with The CW and FOX experiencing the worst year-over-year fall-off.
Overall for the seven networks, A18-49 demo is down -9% from last year, households down -6%, while viewers are down -5%.
nights nights
demo demo demo % won won
Rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 ABC 3.14 3.56 -12% 4 5
1 CBS 3.14 3.41 -8% 10 9
3 NBC 2.93 3.18 -8% 3 1.5
4 FOX 2.60 3.11 -16% 5 6.5
5 UNI 1.58 1.70 -7%
6 CW 1.03 1.09 -5%
7 MNT* 0.55 0.43 29%
total 14.97 16.47 -9% 22 22
nights nights
HH HH HH HH won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
2 ABC 6.6 7.2 -9% 7 5
1 CBS 7.5 7.7 -2% 12 14
3 NBC 4.9 5.3 -7% 2 2
4 FOX 4.1 4.8 -16% 1 1
5 UNI 2.0 2.0 0%
6 CW 1.5 1.8 -13%
7 MNT* 1.0 0.7 40%
total 27.7 29.5 -6% 22 22
nights nights
viewers viewers viewers viewers won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
2 ABC 10.328 11.134 -7% 7 6
1 CBS 11.828 12.080 -2% 13 13
3 NBC 7.952 8.490 -6% 1 2
4 FOX 6.603 7.769 -15% 1 1
5 UNI 3.879 3.805 2%
6 CW 2.317 2.720 -15%
7 MNT* 1.574 1.052 50%
total 44.48 47.05 -5% 22 22
*21 nights only.
The data for this and last year are all final Nielsen numbers except for last night and three nights over the last weekend (Friday to Sunday) which are still partially preliminary data. All Sweep calculations incorporate Nielsen final numbers for primetime programming, Monday to Saturday 8-11 pm, and Sunday 7-11 pm. For daytime over-runs into primetime and primetime run-pasts into latenight (e.g. sports coverage, award shows), only the primetime portion of the program numbers have been factored in. For networks that split programs into multiple segments of sustaining and non-sustaining coverage, the rating for the sustaining portion applies to the entire program broadcast.
It's weird, the way people go out of their way to complain about 30 Rock's ratings and how it's dropping every week. It's held on to 85-90% of The Office's audience every week this season, right? And posted several of its highest ratings ever? Doesn't that represent growth out of its situation last year? And hasn't The Office also gone down a little bit each of the past few weeks? It seems to be sliding around in the 8-9 million range, while 30 Rock seems to be sliding around in the 7-8 million range. Is that really supposed to be cause for alarm?
Alarm? No. Concern? Yup.
Falling ratings are cause for concern. Falling ratings ultimately lead to canceled shows.
Do we really have to keep hammering this point home? Today of all days?
About the Office, I can speak for just my self, but I haven't been laughing. The show has become sad and depressing really. I used to think it was cute in an acentuated reality office way. But now, I don't know, something's quite not right. It feels awkward watching, the characters are such weirdos of the worse kind! Michael is so pathetic and I cringed in every scene with Toby. Ugh, it's been bad to watch that mess. Ok, i'll give a little: the end with Jim&Pam was sweet, i'm glad she's back.
"Focus on the positive" is my new mantra, i'll need positive thoughts not having True Blood and SPN for such a long time! By the way, did you watch SPN pisher?
Originally posted by pisher: As awful as Greys has become (and I'm just extrapolating from how awful it was when I stopped watching, season before last), it is the dominant Thursday show, when you weight its demo advantage against CSI's overall numeric advantage.
Imagine how well it might be doing now if they hadn't screwed it up so abysmally.
Be interesting to see how much further CSI drops as longtime viewers who aren't in the loop about cast changes begin to realize it's never going to be the same show again.
Yeah right a show that os watched by 3 millions less viewers it's dominant. Maybe in a parallel universe
You go, Supernatural!! I know the numbers will drop some, but not nearly as much as last week. It goes to show, those at TWOP don't know everything. I swear, there are newbies every week who come in, see that they're nuts, and then never post there again so only the haters are left. They were predicting a demise after last week. I think not. Hee hee hee.
Originally posted by galveston: You go, Supernatural!! I know the numbers will drop some, but not nearly as much as last week. It goes to show, those at TWOP don't know everything. I swear, there are newbies every week who come in, see that they're nuts, and then never post there again so only the haters are left. They were predicting a demise after last week. I think not. Hee hee hee.
Seriously? I don't go to TWOP anymore. Too much negativism. Last week was AWESOME though! This week, not so much! I enjoy every episode though, they always look pretty.
I swear, there are newbies every week who come in, see that they're nuts, and then never post there again so only the haters are left. They were predicting a demise after last week. I think not. Hee hee hee.