just watched last nite's cashmere, i did not find it to be that bad. anyone else enjoy it?
from abc: At 10pm Against CBS’ Time Period Veteran “CSI: NY” and NBC’s “Law & Order,” ABC’s Time Period Premiere of “Cashmere Mafia” Ranks No. 1 in Women 18-34
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Originally posted by chuckblairfan: Does anyone know how many downloads Gossip girl gets on itunes??? It's always number 1 EVERY WEEK, beating Grey's Anatomy which has 10 times the ratings and it always on the top 10 most DVR showed (based on percentage of viewers that DVR it).
Statistics based on percentages are relative and doesn't mean much. Statistics based on numbers are absolute and gives a much more clearer picture of the ratings. If 30% of the viewers DVR Gossip Girl and 10% of the viewers DVR Grey's Anatomy, then Grey's Anatomy would still have more absolute rating than Gossip Girl. Besides iTune sales generate absolutely no advertisement revenues, which I believe makes more money than iTune sales. People cannot fast forward commercials in live viewing.
Posts: 768 | Location: New York City | Registered: 03 January 2007
Originally posted by chuckblairfan: Plus on CTV broadband, Gossip girl was by far the most watched show online. This show is a hit online, by far, beating all other shows. What it needs is to transfer those online viewers to live ratings.
So the online viewers should watch the show live? So basically add another 200,000-300,000 viewers to Gossip Girl, and the rating would be 2.6 million. Considering how much hype and promotion Gossip Girl has received, it seems that Gossip Girl is a failure. The CW fails to realize that as the viewing population grows so will their taste. Teenage girls might prefer teenage drama at age 21, but their taste would change when they are 25 or 30. The CW needs to promote the shows that have a wider range appeal. It seems that as people grow older, they tend to not watch shows online. When you are online 15 hours a day checking your email through your Blackberry or typing on your computer, personally I prefer to watch shows on the big screen.
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Originally posted by vlis: just watched last nite's cashmere, i did not find it to be that bad. anyone else enjoy it?
from abc: At 10pm Against CBS’ Time Period Veteran “CSI: NY” and NBC’s “Law & Order,” ABC’s Time Period Premiere of “Cashmere Mafia” Ranks No. 1 in Women 18-34
I found it to be okay and it kept my interest, but I feel like it's missing something. Can't place it.
Originally posted by Suzaku: The CW fails to realize that as the viewing population grows so will their taste. Teenage girls might prefer teenage drama at age 21, but their taste would change when they are 25 or 30. The CW needs to promote the shows that have a wider range appeal. It seems that as people grow older, they tend to not watch shows online. When you are online 15 hours a day checking your email through your Blackberry or typing on your computer, personally I prefer to watch shows on the big screen.
I agree that CW needs to create shows that have a wider range of appeal. However, I think that you are wrong about the other conclusions you made above. People don't stop watching online as they get older. Online viewing is a 'new' technology and young people have simply adopted it more quickly. I highly doubt that they will stop using computers as they age. Instead, the old people using TV will slowly die off and computers will become more of the 'norm' for most everyone that is left. Long term, having an online presense for entertainment distribution is extremely important because the future of 'TV' is going to look a whole lot closer to the internet model than the broadcast model. Most people will watch 'on demand' and choose their shows from specific company providers. This future is at the heart of the current WGA strike.
Originally posted by Suzaku: Besides iTune sales generate absolutely no advertisement revenues
I think they call them iTune sales because the revenue doesn't need to rely on advertisers. If the networks/studios/etc... could get all their money directly without having to rely on the advertiser 'middleman', they most certainly would do so.
-Percent Change From the Year-Ago Evening (Thursday, Jan. 11, 2007) Fox: +100, CBS: +32, NBC: -14, ABC: -32, CW: -45
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Note: The fast national results for Thursday will be posted at PIFeedback.com by 12 p.m. ET. Go to the website, click on Ratings Box (the first category), then Last Night’s Results, and Thursday, Jan. 10, 2008.
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-Yesterday’s Winners: Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Fox), CSI (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), Without a Trace (CBS)
-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats): My Name is Earl (NBC), 30 Rock (NBC), Big Shots (ABC)
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-Ratings Breakdown: CBS dominated this second Thursday of 2008 in the overnights, beating second-place ABC by 20 percent. But with Grey’s Anatomy at the helm, ABC is still the network to beat among adults 18-49. Third overall was NBC, followed by a vastly improved Fox and repeat populated the CW.
Without Survivor in the competitive mix, ABC’s Ugly Betty led the 8 p.m. hour, with a 7.1 rating.11 share in the overnights. One year earlier, however, Ugly Betty was considerably stronger at a 10.5/16. Next was Fox sleeper success Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?, with a competitive 6.6/10. Compared to former occupants ‘Til Death and The War at Home (average 3.0/ 5 on Jan. 11, 2007), that was an increase of a hefty 120 percent. As for guest star Billy Bush, guess what? He is not smarter than a 5th grader! You’re not surprised, are you?
Also airing in the 8 p.m. hour was a repeat of CBS’ CSI: NY (5.6/ 9), NBC comedies My Name is Earl (4.9/ 8) and 40 Rock (4.2/ 6), and a repeat of the CW’s Smallville (2.0/ 3). While the overnight results for 30 Rock warrant a “loser” label, I have to be honest: I laughed my head off last night. That “Midnight Train to Georgia” musical interlude was a riot! As for 30 Rock versus year-ago occupant The Office (6.4/10), the erosion was a stiff 34 percent. And My Name is Earl was down by 27 percent year-to-year.
In the 9-10 p.m. battle of CBS’ CSI versus Grey’s Anatomy on ABC, it was CSI by a hair. CSI averaged an 11.6/17 in the overnights, and Grey’s Anatomy an 11.2/17. While Grey’s Anatomy will certainly win the hour among adults 18-49, ear-to-year the medical drama dropped by 28 percent. CSI was also down over normal original January levels.
Also at 9 p.m. was week two of NBC’s Celebrity Apprentice (5.6/ 8), Fox’s Don’t Forget the Lyrics (4.3/ 7) and a repeat of Supernatural on the CW (1.4/ 2). Although Celebrity Apprentice dipped by 26 percent from its week-ago season-premiere (5.6/ 8 vs. 7.6/12 on Jan. 3), worth noting was growth of 33 percent in the overnights out of 30 Rock. Go Gene Simmons!
CBS’ Without a Trace led the 10 p.m. hour, with a 10.2/17 in the overnights. Retention out of CSI was a solid 88 percent. Next was NBC’s ER, which built by 19 percent out of the second half-hour of lead-in Celebrity Apprentice (5.9/ 9 at 9:30 p.m.), followed by the return of ABC’s Big Shots at a not-so-big 4.5/ 8. Had there not been a writers strike, my guess is that Big Shots would have been canceled by now
Originally posted by robert: Also airing in the 8 p.m. hour was a repeat of CBS’ CSI: NY (5.6/ 9), NBC comedies My Name is Earl (4.9/ 8) and 40 Rock (4.2/ 6), and a repeat of the CW’s Smallville (2.0/ 3). While the overnight results for 30 Rock warrant a “loser” label, I have to be honest: I laughed my head off last night. That “Midnight Train to Georgia” musical interlude was a riot!
I always attributed the "loser" label strictly with ratings, not the show's quality. I learned that from Dumont.
Given the competition, I'm not too disappointed with the Celebrity Apprentice numbers. As the new eps for ABC and CBS dry up, that number is going to improve nicely.
I was always under the impression that if a show generated good iTune sales, that would be the same as generating advertising revenue. Isn't the overall goal profits?
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Originally posted by Suzaku: Besides iTune sales generate absolutely no advertisement revenues, which I believe makes more money than iTune sales. People cannot fast forward commercials in live viewing.
Posts: 44 | Location: Denver | Registered: 29 June 2007
Originally posted by Suzaku: Besides iTune sales generate absolutely no advertisement revenues, which I believe makes more money than iTune sales. People cannot fast forward commercials in live viewing.
I was always under the impression that if a show generated good iTune sales, that would be the same as generating advertising revenue. Isn't the overall goal profits?
I think that, at this time, even an episode that's wildly popular on iTunes doesn't make nearly the same in revenue as the same episode makes from advertisers during a network airing.
Originally posted by xwiseguyx: What network is that show on?
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Originally posted by vlis: just watched last nite's cashmere, i did not find it to be that bad. anyone else enjoy it?
I haven't watched Wed's eppy yet, but I did like the premiere on Sunday. Sometimes I don't get why new ABC series are so hit-or-miss. My guess is the viewers want original themes (Housewives, Grey's, LOST each have a unique perspective), and not a knock-off, even if it a good one (Cashmere Mafia being a Sex and the City clone). I find this one infinitely better than Big Shots, but they seem to be doing about thr same in the ratings...
