So it sounds like to me that its really about what it follows? Well if that's it and they were tied then by deduction shouldn't they be listed the same?
SW is a sitcom, up against by far the highest-rated sitcom on TV right now. It could not have been facing tougher competition.
PD failed to do as well in the 9pm timeslot, with a huge lead-in, as Private Practice typically does when it builds heavily on the poor lead-in PD provides. While Criminal Minds is the first real competition it has faced, you can't very well say both shows appeal to exactly the same audience, now can you?
"ABC used Wednesday's holiday specs to lead into "Pushing Daisies" at a special time of 9 o'clock. Though it attracted new viewers under 35 and logged best-since-premiere scores overall (3.7/9, 9.99m), it couldn't match what "Private Practice" has averaged in the slot this fall.
And that opening helped other shows in the time period: CBS drama "Criminal Minds" won the hour (4.5/11 in 18-49, 16.23m) with its best scores since the conclusion of its post-Super Bowl seg last February; Fox's nonscripted frosh "Kitchen Nightmares" achieved highs (3.3/8, 7.03m); and CW's first-year series "Gossip Girl" (1.4/3, 2.93m) logged its second best scores to date."
Nobody was saying SW was helping the other networks.
It's generally accepted that TV shows are supposed to help the networks they air on.
Leaving work early today. Have a nice weekend. If at all possible.
Hmmm ... Pisher is it just me or do you too remember an exchange we had yesterday where we agreed to not respond to each other's post unless they were actually addressed to one another?? I do and I certainly don't see anywhere where I said, hey Pisher ... do you think you can answer this for me???
Here ... I'll even give you your quote for reference ...
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Sure. And in return, you have to promise to never respond to anything I say, except on those occasions that I'm talking directly to you. Which, if you never responded to me, would be NEVER.
See? Wasn't that nice of me?
Oh ... and one more thing ... NEVER didn't last that long did it??
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Originally posted by Shannon: So it sounds like to me that its really about what it follows? Well if that's it and they were tied then by deduction shouldn't they be listed the same?
Marc puts a lot of different thoughts into his category lists. For example, Samantha Who? is getting compared with the post DwtS shows in prior seasons while the most recent episode of Pushing Daisies is logically compared with that regular timeslot performance of Private Practice. Given everything that could be considered, his classifications for SW and PD are reasonable. The only big mistake he made is in calling Pushing Daisies out as 'fading fast' given that it gained several million viewers over last week. Hopefully, he has since whacked himself in the forehead and uttered a Homer Simpson 'D-oh' about the timing of that wording.
Thanks Obveeus, but honestly I have to say, I don't know how fair it is to compare PD to PP, since alot of shows don't get anywhere near PP's ratings. Besides which its a different show and people that normally watch PP may not watch PD and vice versa ... I know I'm one of those. It makes more sense to me to simply compare it to how it does against PD in the 8 o'clock slot.
Originally posted by robert: I declare victory. Well done Shrek
WOW!! I never would have believed this -- well done, Robert -- I bow to you...
I do have to say that I watched it (DVR-delayed) and was not very impressed, but apparently Robert was right about Shrek's HUGE popularity! ABC has to give a supporting shout-out to Dancing with the Stars though, for giving it a huge promotional platform.
Originally posted by robert: I declare victory. Well done Shrek
WOW!! I never would have believed this -- well done, Robert -- I bow to you...
I do have to say that I watched it (DVR-delayed) and was not very impressed, but apparently Robert was right about Shrek's HUGE popularity! ABC has to give a supporting shout-out to Dancing with the Stars though, for giving it a huge promotional platform.
Chimera, Dont forget what you said you would do if it hit or was above 20 million.
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Originally posted by Chimera: I am willing to post every day on here for a week saying "I'm an idiot" if Shrek breaks 20 million... read my [virtual] lips: "it just will not happen"
Originally posted by Shannon: It makes more sense to me to simply compare it to how it does against PD in the 8 o'clock slot.
Fair enough...and I agree that comparing shows to their own past (current season) performance is the best way to look at them. I'm pretty confident that Pushing Daisies would not have been on the losers list if the ratings for this 9pm episode had been consistent from the top half hour to the bottom half hour. It did have a big increase in viewers over last week. Having next week off isn't good for keeping the viewers interested, but the 'cliffhangers' of the most recent episode should bring people back in two weeks. With Halloween, Thanksgiving, and now the special 9pm airing factoring heavily into Pushing Daisies ratings, it is hard to tell where Pushing Daisies really stands. Moreover, the next episode of Pushing Daisies will air against the season finales of Kid nation and America's Next Top Model. Pushing Daisies has definitely fought it out against some tough conditions for a freshman show. My guess, is that the next episode of Pushing Daisies will see about 8.5-9million viewers (3demo) and that ABC will want Pushing Daisies back for more episodes. For all the talk about PD's ratings dropping, it has performed better than ABCs other freshman shows (aside from PP and SW). Expect the negativity to continue, though, since ABC itself is in for a big ratings decline without DwtS. Everything on ABC will keep dropping (and dropping severely in reruns) and that will provide plenty of fodder for idle minds.
Originally posted by Shannon: It makes more sense to me to simply compare it to how it does against PD in the 8 o'clock slot.
Fair enough...and I agree that comparing shows to their own past (current season) performance is the best way to look at them. I'm pretty confident that Pushing Daisies would not have been on the losers list if the ratings for this 9pm episode had been consistent from the top half hour to the bottom half hour. It did have a big increase in viewers over last week. Having next week off isn't good for keeping the viewers interested, but the 'cliffhangers' of the most recent episode should bring people back in two weeks. With Halloween, Thanksgiving, and now the special 9pm airing factoring heavily into Pushing Daisies ratings, it is hard to tell where Pushing Daisies really stands. Moreover, the next episode of Pushing Daisies will air against the season finales of Kid nation and America's Next Top Model. Pushing Daisies has definitely fought it out against some tough conditions for a freshman show. My guess, is that the next episode of Pushing Daisies will see about 8.5-9million viewers (3demo) and that ABC will want Pushing Daisies back for more episodes. For all the talk about PD's ratings dropping, it has performed better than ABCs other freshman shows (aside from PP and SW). Expect the negativity to continue, though, since ABC itself is in for a big ratings decline without DwtS. Everything on ABC will keep dropping (and dropping severely in reruns) and that will provide plenty of fodder for idle minds.
You know, its kind of like when they compare shows to what was on in their timeslot a year before. If its not the same show ... it just doesn't make sense to me to do that, I mean it's like comparing apples to oranges.
All that said and back to PD, after how it ended on Wednesday with Ned's big confession to Chuck I think alot of people will be back. I just hope that if this strike continues to get dragged out that when it does come back after the strike it still has its audience. Of course, PD won't be the only show experiencing that problem, I'm sure, assuming that it does happen.
Shannon, you clearly WERE responding to me indirectly, whether you admit it or not. But my bad, sorry. I completely forgot our previous conversation, as indeed I tend to forget all of them. You're very forgettable.
I will take your inability to respond to Variety saying PD helps other networks as your concession that it does precisely that. Now I have a weekend to enjoy. And I HOPE you do to.
PS: Were you one of the people who said they were putting me on ignore a few weeks back? I can't remember. But I guess not.
Originally posted by pisher: Shannon, you clearly WERE responding to me indirectly, whether you admit it or not.
First of all ... don't flatter yourself. Secondly, no, actually it was directed mostly at Marc, but since he very rarely answers posts I would've taken an answer from anyone BUT you. Trust me ... it wasn't meant for you ... either directly or indirectly.
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Originally posted by pisher: PS: Were you one of the people who said they were putting me on ignore a few weeks back?
Yes and you still are (and will stay there), however when I come on here I am not logged in (same thing with this post), so I see your posts ... hence me responding to you responding to me. If I ever respond to you, you can definetely believe that is it and nothing more.
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Originally posted by pisher: And ABC is known for its generosity and willingness to share the audience with its rivals. They want to help the hits of other networks get even bigger, and struggling shows on other networks survive.
Your understanding of the TV business is interesting. I guess that explains why you want ABC to cancel the usual winner of the 8pm slot.
Posts: 609 | Location: NYC | Registered: 02 November 2007
Originally posted by DirtySexyJ: Spot you are right Marc is showing bias and that is cool, it is his place and he has a right to report the ratings in a biased manner..
Funny how the networks which is what matters see things more clearly.
ABC which you guys Love to bash will be raising as rates.
Dirty Sexy Money" (10:00-11:00 p.m.)
Taking second to CBS' veteran "C.S.I.: NY," ABC's "Dirty Sexy Money" topped its freshman drama competition during the 10 o'clock hour, NBC's "Life," by 13% in Total Viewers (7.1 million vs. 6.3 million) and by 18% in Adults 18-49 (2.6/7 vs. 2.2/6). The new ABC series ranked No. 1 in its time period among Women 18-34 (3.3/9).
"Dirty Sexy Money" was up week to week by 11% in Viewers and by 30% in Adults 18-49 (6.4 million and 2.0/6 on 11/21/07).
Dirty Sexy money WINS AGAIN in 18-34 and this includes facing established CSI NY!!!
Hmm looks like 8/9 weeks we have won that demo and ABC looks to be happy.
I have a full season pickup and am currently prepping a SEASON 2 BUDGET including getting Jill a trailer on site.. LOL
You guys and your inaccurate and ridiculous predictions LOL,
" oh Life is done" " Pushing daisy's is fading" "DSM should be cancelled"
Funny LIFE GETS PICKED UP, DSM GETS POICKED UP AND PD GETS HIGHEST RATING SINCE PREMEIRE , yet it is fading??? Oh and BTW DSM retained the highest % of a lead in to date. 7.15/8.2m
THATS STEADY , THATS DOMINATION in a DEMO and thats why we got a PICKUP.
I wonder what the ratings will look like after the "fresh touch" episodes by your gofers start to air.
And I wasn't aware that "DSM should be cancelled" was a prediction. But then I don't work in Hollywood, so I'm not hip to all the lingo.
Statements, predictions. edicts, opinions , just like a**holes we all have em, the ratings for DSM in a down year for all shows, on a frosh night are steady as a rock..You can hate , but you self admittedly do not have the power to pull the show, nor to clearly see or analyze the ratings. Your a clone, thats all. My boy made the decision based on demo factor, not total viewers. 9.5 is not necessary at all what is is better demo #'s.
The writers already finished the scripts, the show is fab, and it continues. Season 2 budgets are being prepped so you will have to be a hater for many years to follow.
Your name says alot, Mr. Riff Raff..
Posts: 189 | Location: Hollywood | Registered: 19 October 2007
Originally posted by TravisYanan: Wednesday finals
SHOW HH A18-49 Viewers A18-34
SHREK THE HALLS 10.7/17 7.1/19 20,830,000
HOW GRINCH STOLE X'MAS 9.2/14 6.8/17 18,532,000
PUSHING DAISIES (9pm, special) 6.0/9 3.7/9 9,988,000
DIRTY SEXY MONEY (10:02pm) 4.9/8 2.6/7 7,043,000
KID NATION 4.4/7 2.1/5 7,117,000
CRIMINAL MINDS 10.0/15 4.5/11 16,230,000
CSI: NY 9.2/15 4.1/11 14,191,000
CHRISTMAS IN ROCKEFELLER CENTER 5.9/9 2.0/5 8,872,000
BIONIC WOMAN 3.9/6 2.2/5 5,925,000
LIFE 4.1/7 2.2/6 6,284,000
TIL DEATH (8pm) 3.5/5 2.3/6 5,741,000
TIL DEATH (8:30pm) 3.8/6 2.5/6 6,220,000
KITCHEN NIGHTMARES 4.3/7 3.3/8 7,029,000
AMERICA'S TOP MODEL 3.3/5 2.4/6 5,040,000 2.7/8
GOSSIP GIRL 2.0/3 1.4/3 2,930,000 1.8/5
PROJECT RUNWAY 1.8/3 1.5/4 2,791,000
Thanks for posting these. DSM numbers prove it was foolish of ABC to order more episodes. By the time fresh episodes arrive after the strike it will probably be abandoned by most viewers.
what else would they put on at 10pm. ??? The show simply needs a better lead in GA or DH.. It will destroy, and looks like I will get exactly what I want. ABC is SMART, seen DIS stock lately? While once again you may hate a show it does not make it less viable than the shows you may like. Ad rates for DSM are great, and we have alot of corporate input.
Show is going to catch and when it does I will seek out all the haters and let em know they were wrong about DSM , They are wrong about ABC..Funny we win sweeps, we dominate 18-34 women, and you guys continue to bash the mouse.
Posts: 189 | Location: Hollywood | Registered: 19 October 2007
Originally posted by TravisYanan: Wednesday finals
SHOW HH A18-49 Viewers A18-34
SHREK THE HALLS 10.7/17 7.1/19 20,830,000
HOW GRINCH STOLE X'MAS 9.2/14 6.8/17 18,532,000
PUSHING DAISIES (9pm, special) 6.0/9 3.7/9 9,988,000
DIRTY SEXY MONEY (10:02pm) 4.9/8 2.6/7 7,043,000
KID NATION 4.4/7 2.1/5 7,117,000
CRIMINAL MINDS 10.0/15 4.5/11 16,230,000
CSI: NY 9.2/15 4.1/11 14,191,000
CHRISTMAS IN ROCKEFELLER CENTER 5.9/9 2.0/5 8,872,000
BIONIC WOMAN 3.9/6 2.2/5 5,925,000
LIFE 4.1/7 2.2/6 6,284,000
TIL DEATH (8pm) 3.5/5 2.3/6 5,741,000
TIL DEATH (8:30pm) 3.8/6 2.5/6 6,220,000
KITCHEN NIGHTMARES 4.3/7 3.3/8 7,029,000
AMERICA'S TOP MODEL 3.3/5 2.4/6 5,040,000 2.7/8
GOSSIP GIRL 2.0/3 1.4/3 2,930,000 1.8/5
PROJECT RUNWAY 1.8/3 1.5/4 2,791,000
Thanks for posting these. DSM numbers prove it was foolish of ABC to order more episodes. By the time fresh episodes arrive after the strike it will probably be abandoned by most viewers.
Maybe, but if so then that's probably going to be true about alot of shows not just DSM. That said ... I'll be watching no matter what! It works fine for me at 10 pm on Wednesday, but I'd love to see what it does after "GA" on Thursday @ 10.
Originally posted by WelcomeToK-Ville: Caps lock off. Seriously, it is hard to read.
DSM mostly got picked up because ABC didn't want to admit that they busted on a show they thought would be the next "Desparate Housewives". This week, DSM pulled Big Shots ratings. And yes, in every press release Big Shots is noted for it's female 18 to 34 domination. If Big Shots is this huge failure, well then it's easy to see what label DSM falls under. These press releases are designed to enhance what little good there is and hide all of the bad. If the ratings don't get back up to at least 9.5 million routinely, I don't think there will be a season 2. ABC can't keep dragging on with it that long. [QUOTE]
Hmm your the same guy that doubted the Life Pickup and also the DSM pickup. Guess it is difficult for you to admit you may have been wrong.
SORRY BOUT THE CAPS LOCK!!!!!!!!!!!
Posts: 189 | Location: Hollywood | Registered: 19 October 2007
Wow, this is bad news for PD. Yes, vlis, PD went up in raw numbers, but it was shown at 9:00PM, when raw numbers are higher than those at 8:00PM. And it had a huge lead in from The Grinch (18mil) AND dipped badly at the half hour. People turned the channel when PD came on, and a bunch of those who didn't turn the channel at 9:00PM did so at 9:30PM.
Originally posted by vlis: and by what percentage are 9PM hut levels higher than 8? PD was up 10-20% from its previous 5 weeks
I'd guesstimate that HUT levels go up 10%+ just from 8pm to 8:30pm. I'm sure that they are up at least 20% from 8pm to 9pm because the networks tend to put their strongest shows on at 9pm and have built that HUT level over the long term.
However, whatever 'free' gain Pushing Daisies got from the increased HUT level would be offset by the one-time-only timeslot change causing many casual fans to miss the program (especially since ABC put up a logo at the start of the 8pm hour announcing that Pushing Daisies would be new in 2 weeks, but failing to mention that Pushing Daisies was going to be on later that night).
