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What really needs to happen with Survivor is it needs to be cut down to one edition a year at this point. Make it more of an event. This will never happen, but that's what I believe CBS should do.
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About Survivor: How many other 8pm shows on any night of the week get higher ratings? In short, Survivor does not need to move or cut back to one run per year.
About ratings: Marc, you need to be careful about knocking programs for year-to-year viewer drops. I have a sneaking suspicion that by the end of September you will have had to make that comment about every returning show. DVRs, cable popularity, and the internet are taking their toll on network TV.
About the Beauty & The Geek encore: under 2 million viewers may be bad, but it is barely worse than the Smallville/Supernatural repeats would do. CW probably made a good choice in encoring this first episode. Now, they just have to hope that it got some unique views from the Tuesday telecast and that some of those new viewers will return next Tuesday.
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I still like Survivor, but the ratings are certainly not what they used to be. quote: Originally posted by Obveeus:
About Survivor: How many other 8pm shows on any night of the week get higher ratings? In short, Survivor does not need to move or cut back to one run per year.
About ratings: Marc, you need to be careful about knocking programs for year-to-year viewer drops. I have a sneaking suspicion that by the end of September you will have had to make that comment about every returning show. DVRs, cable popularity, and the internet are taking their toll on network TV.
About the Beauty & The Geek encore: under 2 million viewers may be bad, but it is barely worse than the Smallville/Supernatural repeats would do. CW probably made a good choice in encoring this first episode. Now, they just have to hope that it got some unique views from the Tuesday telecast and that some of those new viewers will return next Tuesday.
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I agree...and I suggest slotting The Amazing Race Thursday at 8 p.m. in midseason. quote: Originally posted by eyeluver:
What really needs to happen with Survivor is it needs to be cut down to one edition a year at this point. Make it more of an event. This will never happen, but that's what I believe CBS should do.
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Actually, that's a good idea....TAR is going to be streamilined this season (no non-elimination legs, but I'd expect a two-episode leg or two) so this would be a great time to relaunch it with a big ad blitz. I actually suspect it'll take the Wednesday at 8 slot after the new year (after Kid Nation ends) myself..
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quote: Originally posted by Jay:
CBS Thursday is indeed growing grey. “Survivor” has been on the night since January 2001 and both “CSI” and “Without a Trace” are Thursday veterans as well.
If CBS is not proactive, when all three series show accelerated signs of declining viewership, the network will be in the same position NBC is currently in. For too many years NBC wasted valuable primetime real estate on sub-par comedies produced in house (remember “Union Square”, “Jesse”, “The Single Guy”, “Veronica’s Closet” or “Madman of the People”) instead of fostering the next generation of comedies. If NBC had done so they would not have had the tremendous vacuum to fill once “Friends”, “Frasier”, and “Will & Grace” exited. CBS needs to realize this and try to launch series that will eventually replace “Survivor”, “CSI”, and “Trace”.
Moving “Trace” back to Thursdays after only one season on Sundays (where it performed respectably) shows that CBS has no long range goals or plans for this crucial night. While even a diluted line-up can pack a punch, that punch is not as severe as in previous years. How many critics scoffed when CBS (correctly) labeled “CSI” and underdog to the relocated “Grey’s Anatomy” last summer?
There is very little CBS can do to ignite any new interest in “Survivor” without changing the aspect of the game, so future seasons will likely continue the slow decline. (If the next season follows the usual erosion pattern, it will open to only around 12-13 million viewers.)
Perhaps CBS could have launched the serial drama “Cane” or “Swingtown” out of “CSI”, since the network had luck with the long-running “Knots Landing” in that time period during the 1980s and 1990s. “Trace” could then have been used to shore up the troublesome Tuesday at 10:00 time period that the network has struggled with ever since “Judging Amy” was disbarred. As far as the 8:00 time period goes, CBS could air a new reality series (or the returning “Amazing Race”) in between the two cycles of “Survivor”. If that scenario generated any positive outcome then that new reality series could be used to replace “Survivor” (which I would then move to a new night – possibly Wednesdays).
In today’s entertainment industry, a network (not even number one CBS) can afford to sit back and rest on its laurels. While that may work for a time, it will eventually collapse. Just ask NBC.
the difference with cbs now and nbc back in 2004 was that cbs has a much stronger base... they have hits on everynight of the week (at least 1) nbc could never claim that...in fact i think abc is more vulnerable...their dependants on DWTS for upto 4 hours a week is not good...further i fully expect dh/lost to continue the erosion from last year (im guessing both will fall about 15-25%)...and im betting that greys will fall behind csi by mid-october (especially considering the awful writing of greys) PU! yes cbs is growing older, and these new shows dont look so promissing, but mid-season looks down right hot!!! |
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| Posts: 409 | Location: Los Angeles | Registered: 09 November 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Obveeus:
About Survivor: How many other 8pm shows on any night of the week get higher ratings? In short, Survivor does not need to move or cut back to one run per year.
THANK YOU!! is there another show at 8pm that gets this?? even DWTS 8pm demos are lower...only one (idol) does better... why would cbs cut this show down?? the demo average of 4.9 is vastly superior to last seasons average of 3.5...it would be foolish to remove it... |
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| Posts: 409 | Location: Los Angeles | Registered: 09 November 2006 | |
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Ok....here's a thought. I believe that CBS should put its strongest shows on Thursday night. Right now, they are doing that. However, if shows ARE be moved, why not put 2.5 men on Thur. with another comedy at 8 and move Survivor to Sun. or Mon....
pete
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quote: Originally posted by weaklink75:
I actually suspect it'll take the Wednesday at 8 slot after the new year (after Kid Nation ends) myself..
I have the same thought.
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| Posts: 1927 | Location: New Jersey | Registered: 24 March 2007 | |
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I do not think CBS should even think about changing nights on Survivor. 15 million, despite the decline, is very good numbers for a show. In addition, Survivor has always been seen as a Thursday show. The public is not usually ready for change and ratings would decline greatly if they moved it. Moving days is the quickest way to end the show. I have a feeling all this worry about Survivor really isn't a cause of concern. There's more severe problems that CBS will face this season.
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quote: Originally posted by TravisYanan: Incredibly interesting and informative article recently posted to Variety.com http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972477.html?categoryid=14&cs=1Someone tell me how, exactly, a show like Pushing Daisies is supposed to compete with a similarly effects heavy show like Bionic Woman when the different in their production budgets are almost $1 million apart (I guess they could go $1.5 million over on their first episode, but I digress)? Or a show like Big Shots is supposed to compete with a show like Dirty Sexy Money, both ensemble dramas about rich people in New York City, with such huge episodic production budget gaps (at least those are on the same network)?
Thanks for posting that Travis. From the article, it seems like "The Bionic Woman" is having real issues behind the scenes, which is never good. I really find it interesting that this article only focuses on the Big Four and they don't include the CW. But then again, the CW is more of a netlet, not a major network, so.... Peace!! |
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Honestly, I don't think any show on the CW is that expensive to produce compared to the big 4 network standards. Even sci-fi heavy shows like Smallville and Supernatural are on the cheap. And with half of the shows practically reality shows, the CW's production budget is getting more frugal. The only rumblings I've heard of expense is Gossip Girl and I imagine most of the expense went to advertising and promotion.
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That is very true. I just do not see the CW being a "big network." To me, I think of it as a netlet. And you are right K-Ville, the most promoted new show on the CW was Gossip Girl. According to Travis, it got first billing from the promoting and marketing standpoint. Peace!! quote: Originally posted by WelcomeToK-Ville:
Honestly, I don't think any show on the CW is that expensive to produce compared to the big 4 network standards. Even sci-fi heavy shows like Smallville and Supernatural are on the cheap. And with half of the shows practically reality shows, the CW's production budget is getting more frugal. The only rumblings I've heard of expense is Gossip Girl and I imagine most of the expense went to advertising and promotion.
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