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Originally posted by total eclipse:
I'm not an Office fan, but I certainly acknowledge it is superior to BBT (or 2 and 1/2 men) with much more nuanced writing. But then again, I guess it's not for everyone. There's a reason old school comedies used to be so popular, eh? Since networks strive to find the lowest common denominator...

I don't know about that, series like Seinfeld or Friends (minus the last couple of years) were well written but didn't necessarily have mass appeal a priori. They were much more sophisticated than "lowest common denominator".

Maybe the new sitcoms are just not funny enough.

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After all that hype about new ways to watch TV, they pulled the next episodes of GG from Internet to increase live ratings, and fail. Are they going to repeat it is major hit until the CW dies?

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If thats the case, 30 Rock must have a butt-load of it.

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You would think that CBS would have learned their lesson with The Class last year when they tried to use it in the lead off spot. You cannot put a freshman sitcom in the lead off spot against such tough competition. I mean no one seems to mention how the show was doing fine until Bones and DOND joined the time slot. The competition is fierce and a show without such a loyal audience and no lead in is hurting. They need to switch BBT and HIMYM back again, and I bet the ratings reverse. CBS is really hurting BBT with the time slot. HIMYM is better able to hold up against this competition, because it has a more loyal audience after 3 years on the air. BBT needs a lead in at this point in its development.

CBS loves BBT. These numbers are concerning, but not end of the world. This summer I expect some special post-2.5 Men airings to prop up the viewership a bit. I think it will help. This show has potential like no comedy in the past 3 or 4 years to really become the next breakout hit. It just needs some nurturing and time. Almost everyone I tell about the show has come on board as a fan.

You don't have to convince me. I love the show. I watch it every week. I am just worried they are ruining it at 8:00. I still think if they put it back at 8:30 with the HIMYM lead in the ratings would reverse. I am really starting to worry if the ratings keep going down that the show is going to be in trouble even though it has been renewed. I just don't think it is ready to handle the 8:00 slot against this type of competition.

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CBS opened the evening on a disappointing note, with should-be-addictive The Big Bang Theory at just 7.51 million viewers (#4) and a 2.9/ 8 among adults 18-49 (#2) at 8 p.m.

Well, you know, this can be an indication the viewers finally realized BBT is no more than your run of the mill old school unsophisticated sitcom with less than original subject matter that had been done to death before and even less impressive performances.

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CBS opened the evening on a disappointing note, with should-be-addictive The Big Bang Theory at just 7.51 million viewers (#4) and a 2.9/ 8 among adults 18-49 (#2) at 8 p.m.

Well, you know, this can be an indication the viewers finally realized BBT is no more than your run of the mill old school unsophisticated sitcom with less than original subject matter that had been done to death before and even less impressive performances.

I realized that from the pilot and guess what? I was thrilled to see an "old school unsophisticated sitcom" finally. I was tired of all the "new type" of sitcoms that bored most of the americans to death

So what you're really saying is that you prefer laugh tracks, sub par writing, predictable jokes and stereotypes for characters over dynamic camera movements (rather than a musty sound stage and one camera), sophisticated writing, talented actors and true satire?

Well, all you need to do is go to the nearest blockbuster and check out their 80s sitcom shelves.

Exactly that's what i ment, thank you. And you're also rigt, i still watch a lot of 80's and 90' "stupid" sitcoms like Marrie with Children, Friends, Cheers. You know stupid sitcoms like these

But you know what? These are the sitcoms poeple love here in US but also all around the world. So i'm happy

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Originally posted by total eclipse:

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Originally posted by total eclipse:
I'm not an Office fan, but I certainly acknowledge it is superior to BBT (or 2 and 1/2 men) with much more nuanced writing. But then again, I guess it's not for everyone. There's a reason old school comedies used to be so popular, eh? Since networks strive to find the lowest common denominator...

I don't know about that, series like Seinfeld or Friends (minus the last couple of years) were well written but didn't necessarily have mass appeal a priori. They were much more sophisticated than "lowest common denominator".

Maybe the new sitcoms are just not funny enough.

I wouldn't put Seinfeld and Friends in the same category. Friends was aiming to a much broader audience than Seinfeld or Frasier. I always felt those two were layered, so some of the jokes aimed to the casual TV consumers, and some to a more sophisticated audience. This multi layered writing is also evident is currently airing sitcoms like HIMYM. Then, of course, you'd have things like "According to Jim" - what do you make of its (target) audience?

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Originally posted by total eclipse:
I wouldn't put Seinfeld and Friends in the same category. Friends was aiming to a much broader audience than Seinfeld or Frasier. I always felt those two were layered, so some of the jokes aimed to the casual TV consumers, and some to a more sophisticated audience. This multi layered writing is also evident is currently airing sitcoms like HIMYM. Then, of course, you'd have things like "According to Jim" - what do you make of its (target) audience?

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CBS opened the evening on a disappointing note, with should-be-addictive The Big Bang Theory at just 7.51 million viewers (#4) and a 2.9/ 8 among adults 18-49 (#2) at 8 p.m.

Well, you know, this can be an indication the viewers finally realized BBT is no more than your run of the mill old school unsophisticated sitcom with less than original subject matter that had been done to death before and even less impressive performances.

I realized that from the pilot and guess what? I was thrilled to see an "old school unsophisticated sitcom" finally. I was tired of all the "new type" of sitcoms that bored most of the americans to death

So what you're really saying is that you prefer laugh tracks, sub par writing, predictable jokes and stereotypes for characters over dynamic camera movements (rather than a musty sound stage and one camera), sophisticated writing, talented actors and true satire?

Well, all you need to do is go to the nearest blockbuster and check out their 80s sitcom shelves.

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Maybe the new sitcoms are just not funny enough.

When someone talks about how 'nuanced' the NBC sitcoms are, that is what they mean. 'Nuanced' is a spin word for 'not funny'

If thats the case, 30 Rock must have a butt-load of it.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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I wouldn't put Seinfeld and Friends in the same category. Friends was aiming to a much broader audience than Seinfeld or Frasier. I always felt those two were layered, so some of the jokes aimed to the casual TV consumers, and some to a more sophisticated audience. This multi layered writing is also evident is currently airing sitcoms like HIMYM. Then, of course, you'd have things like "According to Jim" - what do you make of its (target) audience?

I agree with you that different kinds of shows have different layers.

I'd put HIMYM and BBT in the pool with Seinfeld, Cheers, Frasier, and M*A*S*H.

I'd put According to Jim in the pool with I Love Lucy, Three's Company, and King of Queens.

I'd put The Office in with Arrested Development, and Soap.

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If thats the case, 30 Rock must have a butt-load of it.

If the Emmy Awards had a special category for 'nuance', 30 Rock would definitely win.

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What can i say? I'm just not that intelligent to get The Office, for us stupid people it's easier ro watch crap sitcoms like BBT

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Originally posted by pisher:
Hey, it's doing better by CW standards than SCC is doing by FOX standards.