Originally posted by XLR8: Considering Gossip Girls competition, DWtS, Bones, Big Bang & How I, it did reasonably well, its best since Nov. 28. Especially in the Demo, it reached it's highest yet. So if the CW keeps at it, promotion etc., GG could be that show, like Felicity was for The WB.
How was Felicity "that show" for The WB? It was nothing special. It's ratings weren't great either.
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Considering Gossip Girls competition, DWtS, Bones, Big Bang & How I, it did reasonably well, its best since Nov. 28. Especially in the Demo, it reached it's highest yet. So if the CW keeps at it, promotion etc., GG could be that show, like Felicity was for The WB.
No show that pulls 2.5 million on network TV is doing "reasonably well." CW has such low standards at this point that it's doing decent enough to warrant a renewal (which it has received) but at this point nothing on the network is doing well at all... except maybe Smackdown considering it is on Friday night, etc.
Just a few years ago 3.5 million and a 1.5 million 18-49 demo was not good enough to bring several shows over to the CW network, and after just 2 years of programming they're top rated reality show and top rated dramas on the CW are pulling that (Top Model, Smallville).
They're coasting on a dying formula... the OMFG ads for Gossip Girl prove that. The 90210 series is going to be the same thing.
How was Felicity "that show" for The WB? It was nothing special. It's ratings weren't great either.
It was a big show amongst the WB's demo for about a year, then it was the show that everybody stopped watching. WB cut the order for the 3rd season, and canceled it long before upfronts during season 4 because it wasn't doing the numbers they wanted and they decided to end it. Hardly something that happens to a very popular teen drama.
Still, CW would kill for a drama show to perform at season 3/4 felicity levels... or to be half as enjoyable as Felicity was. And Felicity was hardly the best show ever...
Originally posted by XLR8: Considering Gossip Girls competition, DWtS, Bones, Big Bang & How I, it did reasonably well, its best since Nov. 28. Especially in the Demo, it reached it's highest yet. So if the CW keeps at it, promotion etc., GG could be that show, like Felicity was for The WB.
How was Felicity "that show" for The WB? It was nothing special. It's ratings weren't great either.
It defined the network as a place for that generations teens/young adults to have a home to turn to. If you go any place, Felicity would be mentioned as a show that defined The WB, alongside Buffy, 7th Heaven etc. They were youthful, and about coming of age in an era different to that of our parents or grandparents, which most of the major 3 networks were not targeting at the time. If it were not for The WB and its early targeted programing I doubt much of the networks of today would be looking at the 18-48 demo.
Felicity, may not have had great ratings throughout its run but it had critical acclaim and was was brilliantly scripted, enough to win an Emmy and IMO quality out ranks ratings any day. GG, may not be on par with quality but with a right direction figured out and a staff of talented writers it is achievable.
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Originally posted by mayorofsmpleton:
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How was Felicity "that show" for The WB? It was nothing special. It's ratings weren't great either.
It was a big show amongst the WB's demo for about a year, then it was the show that everybody stopped watching. WB cut the order for the 3rd season, and canceled it long before upfronts during season 4 because it wasn't doing the numbers they wanted and they decided to end it. Hardly something that happens to a very popular teen drama.
Still, CW would kill for a drama show to perform at season 3/4 felicity levels... or to be half as enjoyable as Felicity was. And Felicity was hardly the best show ever...
Felicity, though ended early ended perfect. It was about her journey through College and it was. Abrams himself has stated he had never pictured the series beyond College. Just cause a show is canceled under 5 seasons or at 5 seasons does not mean it was not popular, could you say that about Firefly, Angel, Veronica Mars?
How was Felicity "that show" for The WB? It was nothing special. It's ratings weren't great either.
It was a big show amongst the WB's demo for about a year, then it was the show that everybody stopped watching. WB cut the order for the 3rd season, and canceled it long before upfronts during season 4 because it wasn't doing the numbers they wanted and they decided to end it. Hardly something that happens to a very popular teen drama.
Still, CW would kill for a drama show to perform at season 3/4 felicity levels... or to be half as enjoyable as Felicity was. And Felicity was hardly the best show ever...
As I recall, season 3/4 levels weren't THAT spectacular. It pulled in around 3.2ish million viewers. One Tree Hill and Smallville, as well all know, are capable of doing that. The problem is, CW is miss using them.
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Felicity, though ended early ended perfect. It was about her journey through College and it was. Abrams himself has stated he had never pictured the series beyond College. Just cause a show is canceled under 5 seasons or at 5 seasons does not mean it was not popular, could you say that about Firefly, Angel, Veronica Mars?
It lasted 4 seasons, not 5.
And I do agree that it did have a massive critic appeal, but is that going to sell ads, or make big bucks when the ratings suck?
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BBT is not a bad show; I've watched from time to time and it's fairly funny. And it's nice to see Sara Gilbert and Johnny Gelecki on tv together again. The problem with the shark is that it's relying as much on the thread-bare quirks of the characters for laughs as it does on the situations. Once these characters start to grate (and they're already starting), the show is in trouble.
Best comedy on tv right now is The Office, although it can be uneven. What I love about The Office is its willingness to put viewers in situations that should be entirely unfunny (like Michael and Jan's dinner party), yet still manage to make the scene ridiculously hilarious. It reminds me of Arrested Development in that respect, delving into should-be-unfunny situations (potential incest, alcoholism, mentally retarded females), yet turning them into comedy gold. Of course, AD was much, much more over the top than The Office can be (as well as being the better show of the two).
The funniest show on tv for me right now is Ugly Betty, although it doesn't hold up well in repeat viewings.
Originally posted by ray: l want reaper to come back tonight and get at least 2.80 mil viewers so that they can look at Ostroff and say Yeah Now What
She won't care. Whether Reaper gets higher ratings than Gossip Girl (and it usually does) is irrelevant to her. Reaper doesn't score well in the teen female and 18-34 female demo. In Dawn's eyes, that's why Gossip Girl is such a hit. It's all she cares about. The girly girl teeny demo.
It's sad that with all the fuss about GG not streaming the new episodes online it didn't do better, proving that Dawn is moving a very small network into to a non-exist network in a couple years.
The form for the game is only copying the rules and it will not allow you to link over to the psting page.
Alsi, if it is to keep track of your total bets, that is not working either.
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Originally posted by Douglas:
Now, a new Daily Game for the upcoming May 2008 Sweeps!
Just guess one or more of your selected program's final 18-49 demographic before each night at 7:00 PM Eastern time. Of course, for the next 2 nights, you can make your rosters for Thursday, April 24 (yes, I have accounted for the Scrubs/30 Rock switch!)
Originally posted by total eclipse: Well, you know, this can be an indication the viewers finally realized BBT is no more than your run of the mill old school unsophisticated sitcom with less than original subject matter that had been done to death before and even less impressive performances.
There were a few sneak up on you funny moments last night (such as the lecture on the 'AA' team name followed by the revelation of their own team's anacronym), but there was some really weak stuff, too. Everything with the female neighbor last night was bland. The writer's even knew how forced it was to have her asking trivia questions, so they admitted it in the dialog. Then, at the end we are (I guess) supposed to laugh at the geeks for not knowing the kind of trivia people excel in around here? Seems to me that the actual joke was on the audience, but we are simply oblivious to our own patheticness, just as they were oblivious to the 'PMS'.
Now I thoiught the ending triva was classic. Answering Patrick Stewart as Peoples Sexiest man is just great.
But I can relate to these characters. I know a few people like this and it is almost spot on with the characters.
They were sucessful but never got the number that there parents did.
Frasier was an immediate hit, which Cheers was certainly not. Green Acres was a spinoff of Petticoat Junction, and is now the better remembered show. Spinoffs are usually not as successful as the shows they spin off from, but of course most new shows fail, spinoffs or not.
The only new show of the past season that was an unqualified success was Private Practice--a spinoff of Grey's Anatomy.
Walter, I want you to face the stark possibility that you don't know very much about television history.
Frasier was an immediate hit, which Cheers was certainly not.
That's true, but Frasier never really the popularity hieghts that Cheers did. After it moved to Tuesdays in its second season, ratings dropped off dramatically, even though it didn't leave th top 20 until the end of its run. Cheers was near the top of the ratings list (top 10) for all but the first few of its seasons. And of course, the finale was more watched than that of Seinfeld. As for PP, it didn't draw near the levels of GA and was a unqualified success only in the context of this television season. Just before the strike, originals were hovering near 10 million which is some seasons would put it in bubble show status.
Over on the reality side, EM:HE comes from a show that nobody even remembers, even though it shares its title with its parent.
The Andy Griffith Show was a spinoff of The Danny Thomas Show--that's where Sheriff Andy Taylor was introduced. Andy Griffith then spawned Gomer Pyle USMC and Mayberry RFD.
Laverne and Shirley was a spinoff of Happy Days, and ran almost as long. And of course Mork & Mindy also came out Happy Days, and made Robin Williams a star.
Private Practice is hardly a huge hit, will never reach the ratings heights Greys has, but it easily outperformed ALL the non-spinoffs this season.
Not that huge a fan of spinoffs in general, but they can work very well, and sometimes end up being better remembered than the original show, as happened with Green Acres and Andy Griffith (c'mon, when's the last time you caught an ep of Petticoat Junction or The Danny Thomas Show?).
Originally posted by robycop3: Perhaps the CW should look at picking up "The Bachelor" & "Bachelorette",
I don't think that it is a given that ABC won't renew those shows.
True; they brought them back THIS season.
But let's imagine this: both shows are free to be picked up by some other net. Dont'cha believe that each would have a viewership of about 4.5 million on the CW, with many of them being in their desired demo, young adult females? Sure, they might cost more than airing "Roto Rooter Skindiver Seex Significant Other", but they DO have a hardcore viewership who'll watch'em even if they moved to "The Garbage Channel". The CW needs some shows people will watch, & they need'em FAST. I, and a lotta other readers here don't wanna see the CW fold, but they ARE in trouble by anyone's standard.
I don't think The Bachelor or the Bachelorette are any higher quality than Farmer Wants a Wife or Beauty & the Geek. It is really hard to say if the viewers of the other network shows would migrate to the CW in any significant numbers or not, but if CW is going to take on cancelled shows from other networks, I'd suggest picking up a lot of other shows before suggesting that CW pick up more dating reality shows.
