d to the attempt at blackmailing the network into renewal. How sad that OTH actually succeeded in their attempts while VM couldn't, even with the backing of the network president.
OTH succeeded because it seemed like a nice pair with Top Model. No network in the world would greenlight a new seasons of a show based on a cliffhanger. Rob Thomas likely made that remark as a joke.
Is VM smarter than anything else on TV? Heaven's no, but it did require that you pay attention to watch. That's all. A lot of people use TV as a background form of entertainment. They throw it on while doing laundry, or when they're talking. Shows like VM end up being more popular on DVD, plain and simple. People like to watch shows they can talk about at work the next day, etc.
I'll never admit that the show was a waste of airtime, and that it was terrible. And I don't believe the ratings sucked because the show did. As you always say pisser, there's more to life than TV. When it's all said and done most people won't restructure their life for multiple shows in one timeslot. Which just means every year there's at least one timeslot where something is going to crash and burn. Different people have different tastes.
VM's ratings were dismal, oh well. I still don't think UPN was doing it a favor by giving it a second season. They had very little on the air and it was the only show they thought showed promise. Season 3 was kind of the same thing. CW needed a "female" show to pair with Gilmore and VM was all they had. The show lasted as long as UPN/CW was willing to keep trying because they had nothing else to go with. Now that they have more programming options, the show got the boot. The show never came back as some "gift" to fans or critics.
BTW, I just read that Dead Like Me is getting a direct to DVD movie. Didn't that average under 2 million on showtime? Warner is always snorting about how well the Babylon 5 series has done on home video. I can't imagine it'd be hard to get WB to finance 5-7 million for a 2 hour VM Direct to DVD movie at some point down the line.
The Idol finale last year was at 43 million viewers and a 17.0 in the demo for the last half-hour. The average was 35.5 million compared to slightly more than 30 million in 2005 (all based on fast nationals). I think Idol will do slightly more than 30 million tonight since it does better on Wednesday.
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: Well, I think Lost will score about 13. 5 million viewers overall, and American Idol about 28 million. And, comparably, that is a sharp year-to-year decline for both.
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Originally posted by stingbee: MARC, any predictions numbers from you for tonite showing of LOST vs. A1? what do you think will be the breakdown for LOST for 2 hours? Thank you.
Why not discuss how even though Dancing won the night, it was down quite a bit from November's finale, and NCIS and SVU were down a bit from last season's finales as well.
I think airing from 9-11pm instead of 8-10pm hurt DWTS's finale. It's a family show... I feel like little kids watch it with their parents. There's precident for elimination-based reality shows to decline in their final half-hour. Probably would've been a lower average if it had been 8-10pm versus an hour of Idol, though.
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if he has an overall deal (and i'm sure he does...) then it doesn't matter if he's not on a show right now. he'll be paid (exoribtant amounts of money) to develop a show for next season.
the version of Viva Laughlin I saw didn't have backing music so I'm waiting to pass true judgment until I see it. a capella singing and montages without scoring... less than impressive.
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Originally posted by RussTC3: It seems like he never even interviewed for the job. From the quote, they offered it flat out, and he declined.
Well, maybe he should have taken it after all, because, damn if he isn't out of a job now.
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: Jesse Stone (CBS) 9:00 p.m. V: 13.25 million, A18-49: 2.5/ 7 9:30 p.m. V: 13.32 million, A18-49: 2.6/ 6 10:00 p.m. V: 12.84 million, A18-49: 2.5/ 6 10:30 p.m. V: 12.53 million, A18-49: 2.4/ 6
Jesse Stone was pretty strong last night. Suppose Cane bombs next season and CBS moves The Unit, what is CBS brought back movie of the week. Say they ordered 22 movies! I bet it would be pretty strong. It would keep that NCIS audience as well as compete against Idol and DWTS. I love it when networks counter program. I hate when 3 legal dramas, or crime dramas, or reality shows, or 6 comedies air against eachother. I think a movie would be a nice mix in the whole night. But it would have to be original movies, not what ABC does every Saturday.
While the viewers are strong, the demos are worse than the now deceased Close to Home. NCIS/The Unit/Cane will probably be at least a 3 demo average.
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: Jesse Stone (CBS) 9:00 p.m. V: 13.25 million, A18-49: 2.5/ 7 9:30 p.m. V: 13.32 million, A18-49: 2.6/ 6 10:00 p.m. V: 12.84 million, A18-49: 2.5/ 6 10:30 p.m. V: 12.53 million, A18-49: 2.4/ 6
Jesse Stone was pretty strong last night. Suppose Cane bombs next season and CBS moves The Unit, what is CBS brought back movie of the week. Say they ordered 22 movies! I bet it would be pretty strong. It would keep that NCIS audience as well as compete against Idol and DWTS. I love it when networks counter program. I hate when 3 legal dramas, or crime dramas, or reality shows, or 6 comedies air against eachother. I think a movie would be a nice mix in the whole night. But it would have to be original movies, not what ABC does every Saturday.
if he has an overall deal (and i'm sure he does...) then it doesn't matter if he's not on a show right now. he'll be paid (exoribtant amounts of money) to develop a show for next season.
I hope you're surer about the deal than you are about how to spell 'exorbitant'.
And frankly, based on that leaked VM reboot trailer, if they paid him in lunch vouchers at the network commissary, that would be pretty damn exorbitant.
Originally posted by TravisYanan: if he has an overall deal (and i'm sure he does...) then it doesn't matter if he's not on a show right now. he'll be paid (exoribtant amounts of money) to develop a show for next season.
the version of Viva Laughlin I saw didn't have backing music so I'm waiting to pass true judgment until I see it. a capella singing and montages without scoring... less than impressive.
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Originally posted by RussTC3: It seems like he never even interviewed for the job. From the quote, they offered it flat out, and he declined.
Well, maybe he should have taken it after all, because, damn if he isn't out of a job now.
So Travis, are you saying that there is a possibility that Thomas a more or so a holding or carrying over deal with the CW or CBS, to make another show for next season? Thanks!
Is VM smarter than anything else on TV? Heaven's no, but it did require that you pay attention to watch.
No, it required that you shut down your brain--for example, you had to believe a girl that smart wouldn't see Logan for the misogynistic sociopath he always was, and that the FBI would offer a girl with her record an internship.
It was a show for people who wanted to LOOK smart, not BE smart.
And it's nice to know there weren't enough of them out there to keep it around.
Why not discuss how even though Dancing won the night, it was down quite a bit from November's finale, and NCIS and SVU were down a bit from last season's finales as well.
I think airing from 9-11pm instead of 8-10pm hurt DWTS's finale. It's a family show... I feel like little kids watch it with their parents. There's precident for elimination-based reality shows to decline in their final half-hour. Probably would've been a lower average if it had been 8-10pm versus an hour of Idol, though.
DWTS is a family show to an extent. I wish some of the moves were not so pervocitiv (spelling ?). Some of the clothes can be a little too risky as well. Maybe these reality shows have taken the place of the family sitcom. As sitcoms continue to decline reality shows continue to thrive.
I expected the banner to read renew VM or else...but hey it's not June 15th yet it could still happen. How hard is it to get a restraining order against thousands of people?
It seems like he never even interviewed for the job. From the quote, they offered it flat out, and he declined.
How about a quote from the people supposedly offering the job?
C'mon, guys. He didn't turn down anything. It was never a solid offer. He realized it wasn't a solid offer, and he tried to spin it to make it seem like he was too good for the job. Instead of the other way 'round.
oh, thank god, we've reverted to complaining about typos
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if he has an overall deal (and i'm sure he does...) then it doesn't matter if he's not on a show right now. he'll be paid (exoribtant amounts of money) to develop a show for next season.
I hope you're surer about the deal than you are about how to spell 'exorbitant'.
And frankly, based on that leaked VM reboot trailer, if they paid him in lunch vouchers at the network commissary, that would be pretty damn exorbitant.
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It seems like he never even interviewed for the job. From the quote, they offered it flat out, and he declined.
How about a quote from the people supposedly offering the job?
C'mon, guys. He didn't turn down anything. It was never a solid offer. He realized it wasn't a solid offer, and he tried to spin it to make it seem like he was too good for the job. Instead of the other way 'round.
Oh, were you there?
So you're saying that CBS offered him a job on the show because he wasn't qualified for the show which they just offered him a job for?
Yeah, that sounds plausible enough. I mean you were there, right? So I guess you'd be the first to know.
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