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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Betty will pull around 9 million and seeing how Greys isn't there to prop up the night, that's not bad.

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Originally posted by robert:
Ouch, ouch for ABC.

Even an original episode of UB did poorly. What can we say about Big Shots. The strike is blowing ABC away

It may be around 8 million and even 9 million it's not that good

Look at the rest of ABC's lineup. Its a top 3 show most likely.

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Betty will pull around 9 million and seeing how Greys isn't there to prop up the night, that's not bad.

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Originally posted by robert:
Ouch, ouch for ABC.

Even an original episode of UB did poorly. What can we say about Big Shots. The strike is blowing ABC away

It may be around 8 million and even 9 million it's not that good

Considering that UB usually gets just under 10 million, 9 million on a night without a GA lead-out would be fine.

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Betty will pull around 9 million and seeing how Greys isn't there to prop up the night, that's not bad.

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Originally posted by robert:
Ouch, ouch for ABC.

Even an original episode of UB did poorly. What can we say about Big Shots. The strike is blowing ABC away

It may be around 8 million and even 9 million it's not that good

It would be a "Winner" on Fox, see DFTL #4 in the hour (or compare DFTL to ER).

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by bored striker:
Covering Reality, Animation, and getting the right to honor other guild's picket lines back (sympathy strike - which we used to have) were never important to the rank and file, they were mostly symbolic.

I'll believe that the sympathy strike demand was symbolic, but the WGA has been trying to get Reality TV covered for years. They really want that one, even if it does turn the stomachs of many 'real writers'.

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As much as I believe the wga leaders are naive there's no doubt that the other side is responsible for the financial distress being brought to bear on the industry.

I disagree. If, as you believe, the deal will be made whenever AMPTP wants it made and all of the strike business was just a way for the studios/networks to purge junk deals and test reality TV, then why why WHY did the WGA ever go on strike to begin with? The strike was a mistake made by the WGA (this was not a lockout) and the financial distress for all those involved is the WGA's burden to bear.

We don't really care about reality because we know it's unrealistic -- if they can't organize themselves and form a union, then it stands to reason that they will never give us that

As to Why, Why, WHY we went on strike - because the AMPTP walked away from negotiations that they never took seriously. On the day the strike started we would have had to give back half our current residuals, take nothing for new media - and lost some of our health care to avoid a strike. That's what was on the table from the AMPTP and unrealistic offer that they knew we couldn't take thus forcing our side to strike. And then they refused to negotiate. Believe me they have a date when this will end plain and simple.

You're talking like i asked UB to get canceled. I was just pointing up how bad the things are working for ABC. If they're happy with that performance for UB then they're in deep trouble

I'm sure they hope it to be better, but given the situation they are in, its doing fine. Besides those numbers are pretty much what its been doing since last spring and even better than some episodes have done. Not every show is a major hit.

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Originally posted by robert:
You're talking like i asked UB to get canceled. I was just pointing up how bad the things are working for ABC. If they're happy with that performance for UB then they're in deep trouble

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Originally posted by robert:
You're talking like i asked UB to get canceled. I was just pointing up how bad the things are working for ABC. If they're happy with that performance for UB then they're in deep trouble

I don't think ABC will be thrilled with those numbers, but given the situation, a drop of only 1 million isn't any reason to be upset either.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by samcat913:
there is no justification for returning marginal weak players, like WMC, PD and DSM.

Sure there is. ABC only has so much new product in the pipeline. They cannot get rid of twice as many shows as they plan to bring on as new for next fall.

IMO, these shows are the ones that will be gone: Cavemen, Carpoolers, Acording to Jim, Notes from the Underbelly, Big Shots, Cashmiere Mafia, October Road, Dirty Sexy Money, Men in Trees, and National Bingo Night.

Still left in the unknown pile are: Eli Stone and Miss/Guided.

Shows that are on the border, but are most likely going to return: Pushing Daisies, Women's Murder Club, Boston Legal, Supernanny, and Wife Swap.

I agree with most of your assessments, excepting:

GONERS: Cavemen, Carpoolers, Acording to Jim, Notes from the Underbelly, Cashmiere Mafia, October Road, and National Bingo Night.

BUBBLERS: Dance Wars, Big Shots, Dirty Sexy Money, Men in Trees (Wednesday at 10 is the last chance), Pushing Daisies, Women's Murder Club, Boston Legal, Just for Laughs, Wife Swap.

UNKNOWNS: Eli Stone, Miss/Guided, Oprah's Big Give, Primetime.

SLAM-DUNK RENEWALS: Lost, Supernanny, AFHV, Extreme Makeover, Desperate Housewives, Brothers and Sisters, Greys Anatomy, Samantha Who, Dancing with the Stars, 20/20, Saturday Night College Football, Private Practice, Ugly Betty

Under 'Slam Dunk', you've listed 20/20 and College FB -- 4 hrs of marginal performers. Add these to another 9 hours that you've termed 'on
the bubble' and you've got more than half a schedule of program weakness. This puts an enormous burden on declining hits like Grey's and Betty -- and whatever new shows are introduced.

THIS IS NO WAY TO GROW THE NETWORK TO A DOMINANT NUMBER ONE POSITION... WHERE NEW HITS, NOT BUBBLE SHOWS, ARE NEEDED.

They should have just replaced Desperate Housewives with Cashmere Mafia in the sundays at 9 time slot -- it would be doing a lot better. the pilot was one of the better pilots of the season.

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Originally posted by samcat913:

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Originally posted by dumont:

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by samcat913:
there is no justification for returning marginal weak players, like WMC, PD and DSM.

Sure there is. ABC only has so much new product in the pipeline. They cannot get rid of twice as many shows as they plan to bring on as new for next fall.

IMO, these shows are the ones that will be gone: Cavemen, Carpoolers, Acording to Jim, Notes from the Underbelly, Big Shots, Cashmiere Mafia, October Road, Dirty Sexy Money, Men in Trees, and National Bingo Night.

Still left in the unknown pile are: Eli Stone and Miss/Guided.

Shows that are on the border, but are most likely going to return: Pushing Daisies, Women's Murder Club, Boston Legal, Supernanny, and Wife Swap.

I agree with most of your assessments, excepting:

GONERS: Cavemen, Carpoolers, Acording to Jim, Notes from the Underbelly, Cashmiere Mafia, October Road, and National Bingo Night.

BUBBLERS: Dance Wars, Big Shots, Dirty Sexy Money, Men in Trees (Wednesday at 10 is the last chance), Pushing Daisies, Women's Murder Club, Boston Legal, Just for Laughs, Wife Swap.

UNKNOWNS: Eli Stone, Miss/Guided, Oprah's Big Give, Primetime.

SLAM-DUNK RENEWALS: Lost, Supernanny, AFHV, Extreme Makeover, Desperate Housewives, Brothers and Sisters, Greys Anatomy, Samantha Who, Dancing with the Stars, 20/20, Saturday Night College Football, Private Practice, Ugly Betty

Under 'Slam Dunk', you've listed 20/20 and College FB -- 4 hrs of marginal performers. Add these to another 9 hours that you've termed 'on
the bubble' and you've got more than half a schedule of program weakness. This puts an enormous burden on declining hits like Grey's and Betty -- and whatever new shows are introduced.

THIS IS NO WAY TO GROW THE NETWORK TO A DOMINANT NUMBER ONE POSITION... WHERE NEW HITS, NOT BUBBLE SHOWS, ARE NEEDED.

20/20 is an icon and college football apparently must be cheap enough to fill holes on Saturday. Every network has bubble shows and weaknesses. For CBS, its the inability to launch anything besides a crime drama. For NBC, its the inability to create a new hit in just about any area. For CW, its getting people to know its there and actually watch their shows skewed towards people in a demo that doesn't watch that much network tv. Given the current situation and how DVRs are playing a factor, the year to year losses for just about all the networks (save for Fox and MNTV) are not that concerning. None of the other networks will be able to launch much and with some minor changes here or there, ABC could probably relaunch several of the new and returning marginal players from this past fall and get them back to decent numbers.

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Originally posted by filmkr27:
They should have just replaced Desperate Housewives with Cashmere Mafia in the sundays at 9 time slot -- it would be doing a lot better. the pilot was one of the better pilots of the season.

Cashmere Mafia would not be doing better than the extra hour of Extreme Makeover Home Edition ABC has been using. I can guarantee that and Oprah's show is right around the corner and she's pretty much gold.