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quote: Originally posted by tvfan300: quote: Originally posted by robert:
People will NEVER get tired of crime dramas. It's by far the most reliable genre. And CBs did a great choice by becoming a crime drama network. They'll never be in the NBC kind of trouble. By the way i've heard that trouble will come for CBS for a long time. Maybe you can tell us more exactly when the trouble will come.
Well, it's not exactly going well for them right now.
How So???? They are #2 in viewers and in the mix for #2 in the demo. And thay are doing it with 90% repeats of their normal programming. NBC has pulled out all stops to do somewhat the same numbers as CBS, since the New Year. ABC has been free falling since the end of November, but has been hanging on with LOST, DW & EM:HE to keep them afloat.
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| Posts: 15767 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by tvfan300: quote: Originally posted by robert:
People will NEVER get tired of crime dramas. It's by far the most reliable genre. And CBs did a great choice by becoming a crime drama network. They'll never be in the NBC kind of trouble. By the way i've heard that trouble will come for CBS for a long time. Maybe you can tell us more exactly when the trouble will come.
Well, it's not exactly going well for them right now.
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quote: Originally posted by robert: quote: Originally posted by tvfan300: quote: Originally posted by robert:
People will NEVER get tired of crime dramas. It's by far the most reliable genre. And CBs did a great choice by becoming a crime drama network. They'll never be in the NBC kind of trouble. By the way i've heard that trouble will come for CBS for a long time. Maybe you can tell us more exactly when the trouble will come.
Well, it's not exactly going well for them right now.
Is this a joke?
They may still have a good chunk of total viewers, but they're demo is really struggling. I suspect they'll compete with NBC for third in the demo this spring.
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And the Crime Dramas will NEVER win a important award.
At least NBC/ABC and even Fox make business with awards
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quote: Originally posted by mushu_jj: quote: Originally posted by robert: quote: Originally posted by tvfan300: quote: Originally posted by robert:
People will NEVER get tired of crime dramas. It's by far the most reliable genre. And CBs did a great choice by becoming a crime drama network. They'll never be in the NBC kind of trouble. By the way i've heard that trouble will come for CBS for a long time. Maybe you can tell us more exactly when the trouble will come.
Well, it's not exactly going well for them right now.
Is this a joke?
They may still have a good chunk of total viewers, but they're demo is really struggling. I suspect they'll compete with NBC for third in the demo this spring.
Their demo is down because of the writers strike and 95% of thier schedule is in repeats. Once the new episodes start hitting (Before the other nets mind you), The demo number will start heading back up.
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| Posts: 15767 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Bruce: quote: Originally posted by mushu_jj: quote: Originally posted by AL:
I have never been a big fan of CBS shows, so maybe this comment might be a bit bias, but I really think CBS is at the start of trouble for them. I think people are growing tired of all their crime dramas, and all of the repeats during the strike has just added to that. I could see CSI (original) and WAT doing well on Thursdays, but I really see a big downturn for all the rest of their shows.
I've been saying that all along. Eventually people will grow quite tired, just like ABC has realized that oversaturated lineups of female relationships are not going to cut it. I don't see anything on the likes of Big Shots or Cashmere Mafia getting picked up next year unless they go forward with Cupid or whatever the hell that Rob Thomas disaster was called.
I cooled to the CBS shows but I think they will continue to develop the genre. ABC appears to try to "sprinkle" all of its shows with the same tone. I think the answer for both is branching out with some new producers.
I think ABC learned its lesson this season with Big Shots, Cashmere, and to a lesser degree DSM: their current development cycle has very few of those female relationship dramas, and more cutting edge stuff like Life on Mars and Section 8, and the return of the multi-cam sitcom with projects from Cedric the Entertainer, Damon Wayans, and comedies from the creators of Will&Grace and King of the Hill. I think they have a shot at a solid schedule next season, but it all once again depends on how they play those cards -- scheduling has a lot to do with it. |
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I'm sure Samcat will disagree with you on this. quote: Originally posted by Chimera:
I think ABC learned its lesson this season with Big Shots, Cashmere, and to a lesser degree DSM: their current development cycle has very few of those female relationship dramas, and more cutting edge stuff like Life on Mars and Section 8, and the return of the multi-cam sitcom with projects from Cedric the Entertainer, Damon Wayans, and comedies from the creators of Will&Grace and King of the Hill. I think they have a shot at a solid schedule next season, but it all once again depends on how they play those cards -- scheduling has a lot to do with it.
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| Posts: 5957 | Location: Chicago, IL | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic: quote: Originally posted by lopez:
And the Crime Dramas will NEVER win a important award.
At least NBC/ABC and even Fox make business with awards
So what???!!!I can see that all those Emmy's that 30 Rock has is doing them alot of good in the ratings and ad rates. 
30 Rock has improved in the demo this year. Not that it has necessarily something to do with the Emmy, but the critical praise doesn't hurt.
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| Posts: 614 | Location: NYC | Registered: 02 November 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by xwiseguyx: I'm sure Samcat will disagree with you on this. quote: Originally posted by Chimera:
I think ABC learned its lesson this season with Big Shots, Cashmere, and to a lesser degree DSM: their current development cycle has very few of those female relationship dramas, and more cutting edge stuff like Life on Mars and Section 8, and the return of the multi-cam sitcom with projects from Cedric the Entertainer, Damon Wayans, and comedies from the creators of Will&Grace and King of the Hill. I think they have a shot at a solid schedule next season, but it all once again depends on how they play those cards -- scheduling has a lot to do with it.
Why? |
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Samcat has a history of negativity towards anything ABC related. quote: Originally posted by Chimera: quote: Originally posted by xwiseguyx: I'm sure Samcat will disagree with you on this. quote: Originally posted by Chimera:
I think ABC learned its lesson this season with Big Shots, Cashmere, and to a lesser degree DSM: their current development cycle has very few of those female relationship dramas, and more cutting edge stuff like Life on Mars and Section 8, and the return of the multi-cam sitcom with projects from Cedric the Entertainer, Damon Wayans, and comedies from the creators of Will&Grace and King of the Hill. I think they have a shot at a solid schedule next season, but it all once again depends on how they play those cards -- scheduling has a lot to do with it.
Why?
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| Posts: 5957 | Location: Chicago, IL | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by dumont: FOX Soars Higher Above Other Networks After 20 Days of the 2008 February Sweep: After 20 days of the February Sweep, FOX remains rooted in first place in all key measures. The mammoth FOX lead over its rivals has been fueled by the enormous, record-breaking Super Bowl numbers, the powerhouse American Idol numbers on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, and reliable ratings strength on every other night. In the young audience A18-49 demo that advertisers crave and seek to place their ads within, FOX has the most nightly wins, having beaten the other networks on 12 out of 20 nights so far (one tie), followed by NBC with five nightly wins (one NBC win was a tie with FOX). After 20 days, NBC has moved into second place in the A18-49 demo with a .16 advantage over third place ABC. In the households and viewership measures, CBS has a firm grip on second place in households, while NBC is in third. After 20 days, the two News Corporation networks FOX and MyNetworkTV are both showing solid double-digit improvement over their numbers from last year. All the remaining networks are showing significant double-digit year-over-year declines, with NBC showing the least year-over-year slippage (-11% in demo, -11% in households, and -9% in viewers) while CBS, who were last year's Super Bowl broadcaster, is faring worst (-59% in demo, -47% in households, -52% in viewers) due to its large proportion of encore programming as a result of the writers strike. After 20 days, the six networks are showing smaller-than-expected (given the strike and increased use of DVR's) year-over-year erosion: the young adult demo down by -12%, households are down by -12% on a year-over-year basis, while viewership is down by -9% year-over-year.
nights nights
demo web demo demo % won won
Rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 FOX 7.24 4.59 58% 12 9
2 NBC 2.59 2.90 -11% 5
3 ABC 2.43 3.45 -30% 3 4
4 CBS 2.27 5.52 -59% 1 7
5 CW 0.86 1.32 -35%
6 MNT* 0.47 0.27 75%
total 15.86 18.04 -12% 21 20
nights nights
HH web HH HH HH won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 FOX 9.9 6.6 50% 10 6
2 CBS 5.3 10.0 -47% 4 12
3 NBC 4.9 5.5 -11% 5 1
4 ABC 4.6 5.9 -21% 3 2
5 CW 1.5 2.1 -30%
6 MNT* 0.8 0.5 50%
total 27.1 30.7 -12% 22 21
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viewers web viewers viewers viewers won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 FOX 18.746 11.230 67% 10 6
2 CBS 8.198 17.069 -52% 3 12
3 NBC 7.784 8.546 -9% 4
4 ABC 7.313 9.201 -21% 3 2
5 CW 2.278 3.304 -31%
6 MNT* 1.179 0.780 51%
total 45.50 50.13 -9% 20 20
* MyNetworkTV for first 19 nights only. This years and last years numbers are based upon final Nielsen numbers, except for last nights data which is based on FAST national numbers.
I think the 0.16 gap between ABC and NBC is small enough to be made up by the Oscars this Sunday. ABC should also have an above average Monday with the movie "A Raisin in the Sun." However, I wish they would do anything other than their regular schedule this upcoming Tuesday -- a new theatrical, a 20/20 special, anything! But again, kudos to NBC because they have outperformed my expectations. I remember reading a medialife article not too long ago that suggested that NBC would be in worst shape during the strike, and they turned out to be rather successful. |
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quote: Originally posted by xwiseguyx: Samcat has a history of negativity towards anything ABC related. quote: Originally posted by Chimera: quote: Originally posted by xwiseguyx: I'm sure Samcat will disagree with you on this. quote: Originally posted by Chimera:
I think ABC learned its lesson this season with Big Shots, Cashmere, and to a lesser degree DSM: their current development cycle has very few of those female relationship dramas, and more cutting edge stuff like Life on Mars and Section 8, and the return of the multi-cam sitcom with projects from Cedric the Entertainer, Damon Wayans, and comedies from the creators of Will&Grace and King of the Hill. I think they have a shot at a solid schedule next season, but it all once again depends on how they play those cards -- scheduling has a lot to do with it.
Why?
I don't know, I give everybody the benefit of the doubt, and in fact she had one of the nicest things to say about me and my ABC scheduling suggestion for Sundays not too long ago. P.S. I'm saying 'she' but I really don't know samcat's gender. |
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Not sure why the comments about CBS being in trouble. That's hardly the case. They still have a stable lineup of hits, but they do continue to have the weakness with the demo for scripted dramas. Their new dramas have not reversed the trend and although Moonlight seems to have a vocal fan base that has caught the ear of CBS, it hasn't translated into profit for them and I doubt it ever will. The fact that Jericho was brought back and failed may also factor into Moonlight getting scrapped unless the final eps show improvement. CSI continues to deliver but the other's are down. The numbers are not going to go up for the rest of 'em but they have some mileage left and Shark and The Unit are probably going to get canceled. (If on any other network, they would have continued....) Cane was a good opportunity to bring in the demo but was squandered with poor writing/storylines. Criminal Minds also continues to score much to my amazement. NCIS delivers outside the demo but the fan base is quiet and embarrassed to let anyone know they watch the show. They do need another Reality Show to eventually replace what they have, but they shouldn't be in any rush to put any old crap on. There we go, that's CBS in a nutshell.
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| Posts: 5957 | Location: Chicago, IL | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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I just want to make it clear that I myself am not prejudiced against any of the networks. Why, other than The Office, How I Met Your Mother, Lost, and the Fox Sunday animation block, I'm hardly even watching network programming these days. I sample a bit of each, and toss the rest in the trash where it belongs. I'm the epitome of fairminded evenhandedness!  Okay, I admit to being virulently biased against CW, but those people are just INFERIOR. Anyway, we're talking about networks, right?  |
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