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Originally posted by dommydarko:
Does anyone else think that reality shows are terrible lead-ins for scripted series? Of all the seasons of dancing and idol as the top shows... only house took off as a big hit and that took a few seasons to get going. bl was already established but seems to do worse after dancing than after housewives. reality fans and scripted fans are different groups. anyone agree?

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Shall we all say it together?
Bye-bye WMC. We won't miss ya one bit!

I'm shocked that SVU didn't post higher than 12 mil. After all, Robin Williams is still a household name (even if I personally can't stand him!). Despite of his appearance, it was an excellent ep, with wonderful performances by Chris Meloni and the departing Diane Neal.

You're very objective.

So you think that a show like Moonlight should survive although it's getting 7-8 million viewers and a show like WMC that it's getting 8-9 million should be canceled. And let's not forget Moonlight airs sandwiched between two 10 million shows

You're not crowned the king of spins 2008.
Check out the demos. 1.9 for WMC, in the middle of the week. Pretty lame, I'd say. And once again, you're taking things out of context. WMC is measured against BL (which spot it's occupying). As someone else already noted, WMC's performance pretty much guaranteed BL's return. Not to mention Moonlight airs Friday, WMC's numbers were for Tuesday. Apples and oranges. But spin it as much as you like. WMC failed last night, and pretty miserably.

Read carefully what i write. I'm not comparing yesterday's result. I'm comparing what those two shows have done on Fridays. As far as i know ABC has nothing on Fridays so there are plenty of slots for WMC. And please don't compare WMC's numbers with Moonlight's numbers on fridays beacause Moonlight loses on every level. WMC has soundly beaten Moonlight in viewers and it has done similar numbers in demos although WMC does not have a 10 million lead-in. I understand why you're promoting the cancelation of WMC. You hope Moonlight won't be beaten if it returns next year.

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Originally posted by mswood:
And yes, I would love to see ad rates for every show, but we generally don't get exposed to them. Mainly we get just a few.

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Originally posted by Walter:

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Originally posted by total eclipse:

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by robert:

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Shall we all say it together?
Bye-bye WMC. We won't miss ya one bit!

I'm shocked that SVU didn't post higher than 12 mil. After all, Robin Williams is still a household name (even if I personally can't stand him!). Despite of his appearance, it was an excellent ep, with wonderful performances by Chris Meloni and the departing Diane Neal.

You're very objective.

So you think that a show like Moonlight should survive although it's getting 7-8 million viewers and a show like WMC that it's getting 8-9 million should be canceled. And let's not forget Moonlight airs sandwiched between two 10 million shows

You're not crowned the king of spins 2008.
Check out the demos. 1.9 for WMC, in the middle of the week. Pretty lame, I'd say. And once again, you're taking things out of context. WMC is measured against BL (which spot it's occupying). As someone else already noted, WMC's performance pretty much guaranteed BL's return. Not to mention Moonlight airs Friday, WMC's numbers were for Tuesday. Apples and oranges. But spin it as much as you like. WMC failed last night, and pretty miserably.

Read carefully what i write. I'm not comparing yesterday's result. I'm comparing what those two shows have done on Fridays. As far as i know ABC has nothing on Fridays so there are plenty of slots for WMC. And please don't compare WMC's numbers with Moonlight's numbers on fridays beacause Moonlight loses on every level. WMC has soundly beaten Moonlight in viewers and it has done similar numbers in demos although WMC does not have a 10 million lead-in. I understand why you're promoting the cancelation of WMC. You hope Moonlight won't be beaten if it returns next year.

Get your facts straight. WMC has been beaten by Moonlight consistently - and exactly where it hurts, in the demos.
Check out this link:
WMC's performance
See the awful demos? and the fact is, WMC never even topped ABC's ranking for the night, it's just that much of a loser!
Your hatred for Moonlight blinds you. I, however, am not a fan of Reaper, for example, nor am I a fan of BL (in fact, I am know to despise the show). But I can objectively rule that both shows merit renewal in the specific context they're discussed.

Oh i hate Moonlight and I have 20/20 vision.

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Originally posted by no longer bored used to be striker:
WMC has not yet proven that keeping it on the air will generate a nickle down the line.

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Originally posted by dommydarko:

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On a completely different note - did anyone catch Def Leppard's perf. last night on DWTS? I could have sworn they were lip-synching through Pour Some Sugar on Me. It sounded identical to the version I blasted from my truck in high school. I doubt they could sound that similar 20 years later...

They were totally lip syncing... and pretty badly at that. The second song looked like it could have been live. We were wondering why even have them on at all to lip sync. Why not just play the song. But I gotta say this is one of the reasons I love Dancing... Def Leppard, Ballroom Dancing, Matrix like outfits for the dancers... it was so strange.

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Originally posted by Mredman:
Tell me how the hell can you hate Moonlight but love Buffy. It does not make sense at all

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Originally posted by robert:

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Shall we all say it together?
Bye-bye WMC. We won't miss ya one bit!

I'm shocked that SVU didn't post higher than 12 mil. After all, Robin Williams is still a household name (even if I personally can't stand him!). Despite of his appearance, it was an excellent ep, with wonderful performances by Chris Meloni and the departing Diane Neal.

You're very objective.

So you think that a show like Moonlight should survive although it's getting 7-8 million viewers and a show like WMC that it's getting 8-9 million should be canceled. And let's not forget Moonlight airs sandwiched between two 10 million shows

You're not crowned the king of spins 2008.
Check out the demos. 1.9 for WMC, in the middle of the week. Pretty lame, I'd say. And once again, you're taking things out of context. WMC is measured against BL (which spot it's occupying). As someone else already noted, WMC's performance pretty much guaranteed BL's return. Not to mention Moonlight airs Friday, WMC's numbers were for Tuesday. Apples and oranges. But spin it as much as you like. WMC failed last night, and pretty miserably.

Read carefully what i write. I'm not comparing yesterday's result. I'm comparing what those two shows have done on Fridays. As far as i know ABC has nothing on Fridays so there are plenty of slots for WMC. And please don't compare WMC's numbers with Moonlight's numbers on fridays beacause Moonlight loses on every level. WMC has soundly beaten Moonlight in viewers and it has done similar numbers in demos although WMC does not have a 10 million lead-in. I understand why you're promoting the cancelation of WMC. You hope Moonlight won't be beaten if it returns next year.

Get your facts straight. WMC has been beaten by Moonlight consistently - and exactly where it hurts, in the demos.
Check out this link:
WMC's performance
See the awful demos? and the fact is, WMC never even topped ABC's ranking for the night, it's just that much of a loser!
Your hatred for Moonlight blinds you. I, however, am not a fan of Reaper, for example, nor am I a fan of BL (in fact, I am know to despise the show). But I can objectively rule that both shows merit renewal in the specific context they're discussed.

Oh i hate Moonlight and I have 20/20 vision.

And that comes from a guy that used to like Buffy. I loved Buffy and Angel but Moonlight is an awesome show and it has a lot of potential by showing the 2 lead vampires pevious lifes as vampires.
Tell me how the hell can you hate Moonlight but love Buffy. It does not make sense at all

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But you are basing all this on a couple of weeks for A18-49, and just after the CW spent more on the mid-season return of GG than it ever did for Reaper.

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Originally posted by Mredman:
Tell me how the hell can you hate Moonlight but love Buffy. It does not make sense at all

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Originally posted by mswood:


Same with Supernatural (Which does close in the adults 18-48, but still slightly lower, and much, much worse in the adults 18-34). And SN has only been saved due to the fact that it performs much better overseas then in the US.

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Originally posted by Mredman:
Tell me how the hell can you hate Moonlight but love Buffy. It does not make sense at all

Hum that's easy. Buffy had great characters and was a fantasy show with a whole new world, while Moonlight is often just another procedural where the detective (and often the murderer) happens to be a vampire.

And Buffy was extremely well written, the creator had a strong creative vision. On the other hand ML quality has been very irregular, only the episode 'Fever' has been great so far. It doesn't really have any direction artistically, since the production team has changed many many times.

So that's why Buffy is far superior. But who knows, maybe there is some hope for ML if it does get renewed.

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Originally posted by no longer bored used to be striker:
WMC has not yet proven that keeping it on the air will generate a nickle down the line.

The one thing WMC has going for itself vs. Eli Stone and the other 'soaps' is that WMC has more repeat value. ABC is very short on programs that can repeat well, so that may be the edge that WMC needs.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by Mredman:
Tell me how the hell can you hate Moonlight but love Buffy. It does not make sense at all

I loved Buffy and Angel, but found Moonlight very boring. Why? Probably the complete lack of interest that the main character generates. The guy is a total dud.