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Originally posted by robert:
If they really are interested in saving WMC ABC should air the next episodes on friday where it belongs. But it was clear a long time ago that ABC wants to cancel WMC

That is ridiculous. They aren't going to go to the trouble of changing showrunners, bumping Boston legal and handing it a juicy time slot if they wanted to kill it. I think they really wanted to save it. It was just a bad idea. Agreed: they should have kept it on friday.

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Originally posted by Bruce:
True, it's possible they both could go.

But there is little doubt THE UNIT is in a stronger situation than SHARK is today.

And I doubt they would waste this valuable time period on two 13 ep orders for a couple of shows that are just not that important.

Most likely:

13 and a short leash for THE UNIT
A new show midseason
SHARK cancelled

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
If Shark Goes, so will The Unit. They perform very similar.

The one thing that mught save them is the strike shortened development season.

Perhaps both will get a 13 Episode order and split the same time slot.

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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy:
WMC is definately being cancelled. Shark is on thin ice also. There really isn't a reason to bring either back.

But it seems CBS likes SHARK alot more and has shown it cares nothing about The Unit - so which one do you see making it ?
CBS loves James Woods !

I know Paula is loopy on either drugs or alcohol- but I think I understand her confusion. She was writing notes- and there were 2 David's in a row. Kinda makes sense- right?

But, it was a FUNNY moment!!!!!

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Originally posted by dommydarko:

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Originally posted by robert:
If they really are interested in saving WMC ABC should air the next episodes on friday where it belongs. But it was clear a long time ago that ABC wants to cancel WMC

That is ridiculous. They aren't going to go to the trouble of changing showrunners, bumping Boston legal and handing it a juicy time slot if they wanted to kill it. I think they really wanted to save it. It was just a bad idea. Agreed: they should have kept it on friday.

ABC even didmantled the set. WMC was basically canceled. Don't know how but at the last moment somehow ABC was convinced to give the show one more chance.

It's pretty obvious that ABC has to renew Eli Stone as WMC can't pull higher numbers in the demo with a DWTS Lead-In than Eli Stonbe without any Lead-In.

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Originally posted by mswood:
And clearly Gossip Girls kills Reaper, it slays Supernatural, it's more heroic then Smallville.

Knocking the CW for keeping Gossip Girls over Reaper is highly illogical.

Nice analysis of the data. There is no hiding that CW has found a bit of valuable demo success with Gossip Girl.

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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
NBC moved into the 10 p.m. winner’s circle, with Law & Order: SVU at 12.06 million viewers and a 4.1/11 among adults 18-49. Tied for the No. 2 and 3 spots was the time period-premiere of ABC’s Women’s Murder Club (Viewers: #2, 8.14 million; A18-49: #3, 1.9/ 5) and a repeat of CBS’ CSI (Viewers: #3, 7.60 million; A18-49: #2, 2.0/ 5). Retention for Women’s Murder Club out of the second half of Dancing With the Stars (Viewers: 17.34 million; A18-49: 4.2/10) was just 47 percent in total viewers and 45 percent in the demo.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

It's a modest start/return for Women's Murder Club considering how long it was been off the air and including repeats and Internet streaming. Boston Legal has pulled similar numbers after Dancing. I'd prefer the show back on Fridays, but maybe next week, it could improve.

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Originally posted by Flanders:
It's pretty obvious that ABC has to renew Eli Stone as WMC can't pull higher numbers in the demo with a DWTS Lead-In than Eli Stonbe without any Lead-In.

WMC doesn't need a lead-in while ES needs one

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Originally posted by Zitrone:

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Originally posted by mswood:
Adults 18-49 (typical target of the main networks, but not the CW).

Why not the CW? Are advertisers really willing to pay big bucks for low-rated shows on the CW to hit a narrow target (A12-18, A18-34 or whatever), when they could get the same skewed demo on cable?

And if the CW really only cares about female teens and young women, why does it even have shows like EHC, AiA, SN and Reaper on the air? Smells more like spin to me. I would be curious to see what ads cost for 'Reaper' vs 'Gossip Girl'.

Quite simply, they feel the need (just as UPN and the WB Did) to hit a different target demographic. That they can't compete with the big four (which is absolutely and totally true and has been since the WB and UPN started in 95.

But even if they went with the normal target of the main networks, Reaper would still be the 2nd lowest man on the totem pole. (I am already forgetting Life is Wild, we know its gone). Only Beauty & the Geek gets a lower average for the adults 18-49 demo.

And again, the CW's success in the demo are typically female driven shows. But they would absolutely love to get that male audience in those demos. And that is why they produced shows to do that. Reaper was geared to hit that 18-34 demo. They hoped it would appeal to the men as much as Gossip Girls appeals to the women. They hoped that Aliens in America would hit both.

Same with Supernatural (Which does close in the adults 18-48, but still slightly lower, and much, much worse in the adults 18-34). And SN has only been saved due to the fact that it performs much better overseas then in the US.

And of course none of the shows are generating big bucks. BUt based on Demo's (and reports on how other shows generate revenue based on those demos), Gossip Girls should far more for each minute then Reaper. To balance it out Reaper would have to have a far, far greater total viewer audience. Instead it has a mere 20,000 viewer increase over Gossip Girls.

And yes, I would love to see ad rates for every show, but we generally don't get exposed to them. Mainly we get just a few.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by mswood:
And clearly Gossip Girls kills Reaper, it slays Supernatural, it's more heroic then Smallville.

Knocking the CW for keeping Gossip Girls over Reaper is highly illogical.

Nice analysis of the data. There is no hiding that CW has found a bit of valuable demo success with Gossip Girl.

And I am saying this as someone who is absolutely not a fan of any of the shows that do well in the overall 18-34 demo.

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by dommydarko:

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Originally posted by robert:
If they really are interested in saving WMC ABC should air the next episodes on friday where it belongs. But it was clear a long time ago that ABC wants to cancel WMC

That is ridiculous. They aren't going to go to the trouble of changing showrunners, bumping Boston legal and handing it a juicy time slot if they wanted to kill it. I think they really wanted to save it. It was just a bad idea. Agreed: they should have kept it on friday.

ABC even didmantled the set. WMC was basically canceled. Don't know how but at the last moment somehow ABC was convinced to give the show one more chance.

Would it bother either one of you if I said I think you are both right?

In the winter, I do think ABC was ready to ditch this. But as it turns out they were not keen on developing new shows for this fall for any nite much less friday nite.

So, yes, when they could have just let it die they did go to the trouble of working out changes in the show, etc.

And I don't think they did all this just to burn off the eps. But their calculation that the 10pm tuesday was the better play than trying to bring it back on the now moribund friday nite has backfired.

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Originally posted by mswood:
But even if they went with the normal target of the main networks, Reaper would still be the 2nd lowest man on the totem pole. (I am already forgetting Life is Wild, we know its gone). Only Beauty & the Geek gets a lower average for the adults 18-49 demo.
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And of course none of the shows are generating big bucks. BUt based on Demo's (and reports on how other shows generate revenue based on those demos), Gossip Girls should far more for each minute then Reaper.

But you are basing all this on a couple of weeks for A18-49, and just after the CW spent more on the mid-season return of GG than it ever did for Reaper. Take season average and the two shows are very close, although GG had the ANTM lead-in for a while. Also, it started a bit higher than Reaper so the chances of becoming a (CW) hit are slim.

All I take from this is that the CW wants to make a hit of GG no matter until Warner and CBS are tired of their losses. Ignoring all their new shows and sacrificing them all for a semi-flop like GG is suicidal. They gave everything to that show, the best lead-in, then moved it out of the AI Death Star (killing EHC and AiA in the process).

For what result? GG is #1 or #2 in a demo best targeted on cable? And a failure in the real network ad market.

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Originally posted by robert:
No matter where you put it WMC brings the same numbers. Which is very good beacause clearly it does not need a lead-in. The same goes for Shark

IMO both Shark and WMC should be renwed, these are 2 shows that didn't drop after the strike like most shows

And you say Moonlight should be cancelled, and it did also not loose viewers after the strike. Huh?

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Originally posted by supertvfan101:
Reaper is good, The CW should renew it

i agree but its not better then SN. SN should be the new flagship when smallville goes

You can't compare the two. A2Jim is not meant to get ratings. It is in syndication and has value to the mega-corp that owns both the network and studio - so they just want to keep making more episodes for future revenue. WMC has not yet proven that keeping it on the air will generate a nickle down the line.

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Originally posted by CanadianTVFan:
Bye-bye WMC! No ifs, ands or buts about it.

As for robert's "spin" about WMC...According to Jim also brings the same horrible numbers no matter where you put it. Is that good too? (and a 1.9 is NOT good IMO)