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At CBS, "Shark" (2.2/5 in 18-49, 10.3 million viewers overall) did decently in its first outing behind "NCIS," coming in a tad below what "Big Brother" had been averaging in the slot and ranking third for its hour. But ABC rookie "Women's Murder Club" didn't exactly kill in its tryout at 10 o'clock (projected 1.7/5 in 18-49, 7.6 million viewers overall), placing third among the broadcast networks.

I notice Variety did not mention the crappy demos for SHARK though *rolleyes*..
The Unit was averaging approx 12+ million views altogether ( counting time shifting ) give or take and at least a 3.0 demos or not much lower but Variety implies SHARK did great ? WTH ?

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Before I get into the rating results, let’s talk about American Idol for a moment. What on earth was with Paula Abdul? Is she really listening to these contestants perform? As bad as Jason Castro was (and he was just awful), did she really think his first performance was two separate songs? And should she really be basing her opinions on the rehearsals? While Jason does need to go, I have to agree with Simon. Underrated Syesha will probably be leaving tonight.

According to TMZ.com (Source):

"Paula's loopy antics were the highlight of an otherwise boring American Idol episode -- and TMZ has learned a mid-afternoon cocktail may be to blame."

And I hated the rushed atmosphere of the night. It's May Sweeps, FOX! If there ever was a night for American Idol to air an expanded edition, like a 90-minute episode, it was last night. I'm sure all Hell's Kitchen fans would have waited until 9:30/8:30c for their show. And, perhaps the Gordon Ramsey-fueled b*tchfest could have cut into the other networks' 10/9c offerings as well. (Not that Women's Murder Club needed much cutting into already, with its poor start!)

By the way, Women's Murder Club is one those few shows where it gets better ratings on Fridays airing out of hit shows like Dancing with the Stars or Grey's Anatomy. In fact, Marc likes to bring up the suggestion of reviving Saturday nights - you'd think CBS could have done it with the defunct Close to Home but perhaps ABC could now do it with Women's Murder Club because it has the same audience.

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Shall we all say it together?
Bye-bye WMC. We won't miss ya one bit!

I'm shocked that SVU didn't post higher than 12 mil. After all, Robin Williams is still a household name (even if I personally can't stand him!). Despite of his appearance, it was an excellent ep, with wonderful performances by Chris Meloni and the departing Diane Neal.

You're very objective.

So you think that a show like Moonlight should survive although it's getting 7-8 million viewers and a show like WMC that it's getting 8-9 million should be canceled. And let's not forget Moonlight airs sandwiched between two 10 million shows

You're not crowned the king of spins 2008.
Check out the demos. 1.9 for WMC, in the middle of the week. Pretty lame, I'd say. And once again, you're taking things out of context. WMC is measured against BL (which spot it's occupying). As someone else already noted, WMC's performance pretty much guaranteed BL's return. Not to mention Moonlight airs Friday, WMC's numbers were for Tuesday. Apples and oranges. But spin it as much as you like. WMC failed last night, and pretty miserably.

Read carefully what i write. I'm not comparing yesterday's result. I'm comparing what those two shows have done on Fridays. As far as i know ABC has nothing on Fridays so there are plenty of slots for WMC. And please don't compare WMC's numbers with Moonlight's numbers on fridays beacause Moonlight loses on every level. WMC has soundly beaten Moonlight in viewers and it has done similar numbers in demos although WMC does not have a 10 million lead-in. I understand why you're promoting the cancelation of WMC. You hope Moonlight won't be beaten if it returns next year.

Get your facts straight. WMC has been beaten by Moonlight consistently - and exactly where it hurts, in the demos.
Check out this link:
WMC's performance
See the awful demos? and the fact is, WMC never even topped ABC's ranking for the night, it's just that much of a loser!
Your hatred for Moonlight blinds you. I, however, am not a fan of Reaper, for example, nor am I a fan of BL (in fact, I am know to despise the show). But I can objectively rule that both shows merit renewal in the specific context they're discussed.

Oh i hate Moonlight and I have 20/20 vision.

20/20 vision has nothing whatsoever do with it .. You hate Moonlight and cannot be objective since your hatred is overriding everything else . I've felt the same way myself at times but did get over it and learned what you may consider as trash other people may consider as worthy .. You need to get that memo !!
I have issues with how Variety reported on SHARK but know many people watch and like the show so for them do not want it to get cancelled but simply want to see TheUnit come back too !!

I am a little upset that SVU's #s did not go up much from last week. However last night was still a great episode and Robin Williams was fantastic.

ABC needs to judge a lot of factors in deciding whether to bring back WMC. Right now they've renewed several dramas, and the expense of maintaining such a long list of shows has to be taken into consideration.

While WMC puts up decent numbers on Friday, at what cost are those decent numbers worth? Yes, a repeat of AFHV or GA on Friday probably won't get a 2.0 in the demo (which was what WMC was getting on average...) but they're also cheap to the studio, and allow them to spend $$ elsewhere.

It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out, but unless BL crashes and burns tonight, I'm expecting a renewal for it, and a cancellation for WMC.

On a completely different note - did anyone catch Def Leppard's perf. last night on DWTS? I could have sworn they were lip-synching through Pour Some Sugar on Me. It sounded identical to the version I blasted from my truck in high school. I doubt they could sound that similar 20 years later...

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the CW’s Reaper (Viewers: #5, 2.51 million; A18-49: #5, 1.1/ 3), which managed to build out of Beauty and the Geek by 870,000 viewers and 37 percent among adults 18-49.

Similar numbers to GG, but with 1/100 of promotion. And the episode was excellent, this show is getting better and better. But since it is the CW, it is rumoured to be canceled soon.

(AiA is already canceled, that's two for two on the CW shows I was watching)

And somehow, GG is considered a "hit" by D. Ostroff, while Reaper is a "failure".
But IMO, when you consider that even at its lowest Gilmore Girls posted higher number than OMFG "hit" show Gossip Girl - what does that tell you about Ostroff standards or the state of the CW?

OK, I want Reaper to get renewed (after all unless CW just does reruns or movie of the weeks they have several hours to fill next year.

But to not understand that while Gossip Girl (a show I don't care about at all) is (in comparison) a far more viable show for the CW then Reaper or Supernatural or the comedies, or most of the reality shows) is just laughable.

Take this week. Reaper, One Tree Hill and Gossip Girl all got almost identical viewer totals. But even with just fast nationals you can see a much larger difference appearing.

Adults 18-49 (typical target of the main networks, but not the CW).
Reaper 1.1
One Tree Hill 1.2
Gossip Girls 1.3

Already with almost no viewer level difference you can see that Gossip Girl is doing better in the adults 18-49 demo.

Without the 18-34 demo being available yet (Should be by tonight, I hope) lets look at last weeks for the hour longs.

B&G managed a .08 in the 18-34 demo with a mere in viewers (its been in this range for this cycle.

Supernatural a .09 in adults 18-34 with a mere 2.22 in viewers (series lows in both category's).

Reaper a 1.0 in adults 18-34 with a mere 2.27 in viewers (near season low in viewers, fairly average performance in demo.

Smallville a 1.5 in adult 18-34 with 3.6 million viewers (lower end for both demo and viewers)

Pussy cat a 1.6 in adults 18-34 with 2.3 million viewers (an improvement though it does generally outperform Reaper in Demo).

GOssip Girls 2.0 in adults 18-34 with 2.50 million viewers (near average on viewers total and near average in demo).

One Tree Hill 2.1 in 18-34 demo with 2.9 million viewers (near average in viewers slight improvement with demo).

Top Model 2.4 in 18-34 demo with 4.4 million viewers (high in both for this cycle).

Networks generate more ad revenue for hitting their target demo. I might not like it, but it is how the business typically works (there are a few exceptions).

And clearly Gossip Girls kills Reaper, it slays Supernatural, it's more heroic then Smallville.

Knocking the CW for keeping Gossip Girls over Reaper is highly illogical. Reaper has an average of just 20,000 more viewers per episode. But about 55% of the target viewers that generate the largest amount of revenue for the CW. It is absolutely the correct choice. Even with Smallville in only managed a 1.1 in that demo.

Hell its more logical to renew Pussy Cat Girls (I can't believe I just typed that), and I hate, hate that type of show.

And it isn't because they appeal to girls or women, either. If Reaper could get those same averages by appealing to men in that demo group, the CW would be jumping up and down and praising it left and right.

But it doesn't.

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I'll have to see next weeks numbers for WMC and Shark before I make any guesses on what will happen to them. By the way, I didn't see much advertising for WMC, did you? Shark had minimal-normal advertising. However, I still think WMC is a good fit for ABC's Friday nights, with 20/20 and something to pull in the demo. What do you think?

Reaper is a hit in my books for The CW. Dont cancel it CW, you would be stupid to.

SVU's episode was pretty good last night, but had kind of low numbers. Was that due to the TERRIBLE lead in, or WMC?

ATJ last night was pretty funny. Terrible numbers, but anything else would probably do bad there. So ABC has ATJ to throw in a hard time slot.

BTW totaleclipse,

Moonlight pulls the same numbers but yet M should be renewed and WMC shouldnt?

Theat is a terrible number for WMC. Stupid Move, ABC Chimps. (Tonight's BL # won't look so hot either, when compared to post Dancing.)

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Adults 18-49 (typical target of the main networks, but not the CW).

Why not the CW? Are advertisers really willing to pay big bucks for low-rated shows on the CW to hit a narrow target (A12-18, A18-34 or whatever), when they could get the same skewed demo on cable?

And if the CW really only cares about female teens and young women, why does it even have shows like EHC, AiA, SN and Reaper on the air? Smells more like spin to me. I would be curious to see what ads cost for 'Reaper' vs 'Gossip Girl'.

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Theat is a terrible number for WMC. Stupid Move, ABC Chimps. (Tonight's BL # won't look so hot either, when compared to post Dancing.)

I expect BL do get around 8 mil and a 2 in the demo tomorrow. I wish I could predict higher but with its lead-in, the night switch and its competition, that's all I think ABC can expect.

If they really are interested in saving WMC ABC should air the next episodes on friday where it belongs. But it was clear a long time ago that ABC wants to cancel WMC
As for Shark i still think that it belongs on fridays at 9pm. And oppoite ABC i think CBS doesn't want to cancel Shark, but it will have to take in consideration how badly will the show drop without James Woods

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On a completely different note - did anyone catch Def Leppard's perf. last night on DWTS? I could have sworn they were lip-synching through Pour Some Sugar on Me. It sounded identical to the version I blasted from my truck in high school. I doubt they could sound that similar 20 years later...

They were totally lip syncing... and pretty badly at that. The second song looked like it could have been live. We were wondering why even have them on at all to lip sync. Why not just play the song. But I gotta say this is one of the reasons I love Dancing... Def Leppard, Ballroom Dancing, Matrix like outfits for the dancers... it was so strange.

True, it's possible they both could go.

But there is little doubt THE UNIT is in a stronger situation than SHARK is today.

And I doubt they would waste this valuable time period on two 13 ep orders for a couple of shows that are just not that important.

Most likely:

13 and a short leash for THE UNIT
A new show midseason
SHARK cancelled

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
If Shark Goes, so will The Unit. They perform very similar.

The one thing that mught save them is the strike shortened development season.

Perhaps both will get a 13 Episode order and split the same time slot.

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WMC is definately being cancelled. Shark is on thin ice also. There really isn't a reason to bring either back.