If its a licensing fee issue, I would think Fox, who is now looking obviously to help pad the syndication of the series, would give lower it a bit for it to be profitable for ABC. The fact of the matter is with very limited stuff for next year available and at least 4 to 5 hours of content to fill, Boston Legal is almost a necessity for ABC.

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Originally posted by Zedman2:
Apparently Boston Legal's return next season, may rest with it's license fee. From USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2008-04-30-save-our-shows_N.htm


Legal producer David E. Kelley says his show's fate may rest with a renegotiation of its price tag before ABC's May 13 schedule announcement. "I don't think it's a show that can last forever like Law & Order," he says. "We have stories in the bank that are good for another year or two. After that, we'd have to sit down and see if it's time to stop."

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:

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Originally posted by Zedman2:

ABC has had numerous promos for WMC and its return to a new night.

They sure did and so did CBS with Shark.

But at which time for Shark did most people see promos for???? The original 9pm promos, the followup 10pm start times or the quickly and recently changed back to 9pm promos?

All I saw were promos this past week for its 9pm return. I saw all of them during Big Brother and the CBS 8pm Monday comedies. I'm pretty sure I also saw some though elsewhere during local programming.

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Originally posted by Native NYer:
Even with a duopoly, I'd be shocked, I tell you, SHOCKED if the ABC affiliate promoted a prime time show on The CW against its own prime time. It's just not done in Promoland. At best, there would be cross promotion for local programming, but not for prime. ABC still pays its affiliates network compensation. The CW doesn't. And if ABC found out that they were using their airtime to promote competing prime time programming, they'd make adjustments to the comp. Depending on market size,the comp can be the difference between profitability and not.

I see it here with our two major duopolies. LIN Broadcasting owns the CBS and MyTV affiliates and Tribune has the CW and FOX affiliates.

You don't see a lot of them, but you will occationally see a cross promo

Not sure what the Network can do to limit local ad time. I remember back a few olympics when COKE had an exclusive deal to be the only soft drink sponsor for the Network broadcasts. Pepsi went out and bought ad time with the local stations to air their commercial during olympic coverage.

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Since Viacom owns MTV and The N and has a 50% stake in The CW, there was most likely some sort of co-op promotion deal at work there. I can't imagine that ABC ran promos for The CW, unless it was ABC Family--the cable arm of ABC. And even then it would not have had any 'geography' in the spots, not even Monday night. Something like "Check local listings".

Just a reminder that Viacom spun off CBS and it is CBS that has the 50% stake in The CW, Not Viacom.

I wonder if the GG spot was a local spot that was on an ABC affiliate, which may also own the local CW affiliate.

I know my CW affiliate here in Michigan is owned by our ABC affiliate. CW61

Even with a duopoly, I'd be shocked, I tell you, SHOCKED if the ABC affiliate promoted a prime time show on The CW against its own prime time. It's just not done in Promoland. At best, there would be cross promotion for local programming, but not for prime. ABC still pays its affiliates network compensation. The CW doesn't. And if ABC found out that they were using their airtime to promote competing prime time programming, they'd make adjustments to the comp. Depending on market size,the comp can be the difference between profitability and not.

Here the CW is a digital sub of the NBC affiliate. Cdub ads air throughout the day for what's airing that night on the CW sub and what is coming up in recent weeks. Its usually 100% for the primetime stuff with the daytime fair mainly getting promoted on the network itself. I can't recall seeing CW stuff during primetime but most certainly during local news.

He does sound very childish with the one liners and the constant nit picky fights he causes.

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
What do you expect froma 12 year old?
Seriously, read his posts. They are not well formed and sound very young.

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Originally posted by Pam:
Is there anyway we can ban Walter from this forum ?
I'm all for freedom expressing opnions and I too am guilty of getting paranoid at times but this guy has taken being rude to an all new level .
I understand he hates Moonlight and have no issues with that but his posts are always arguementive and disrespectful.

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Originally posted by wenart25:

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
What do you expect froma 12 year old?
Seriously, read his posts. They are not well formed and sound very young.

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Originally posted by Pam:
Is there anyway we can ban Walter from this forum ?
I'm all for freedom expressing opnions and I too am guilty of getting paranoid at times but this guy has taken being rude to an all new level .
I understand he hates Moonlight and have no issues with that but his posts are always arguementive and disrespectful.

Not trying to start anything here, but I was just wondering if posters would stop insulting one another? I come here, when I can, to see the ratings and read others opinions about tv shows. I do not come here to read posters insulting one another. Can we just have a nice, analytical, and informative converstation here, without the insults being thrown at each other?

And may I add that we do not know each other personally, so there is no way to know if someone has a disability, that could pretain to spelling or writing of some kind. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, whether someone agrees with it or not. Don't always have to agree with it, but I think it needs to be respected.

Peace!!

I completely agree. This is the only Forum/Board I visit because I ahe the insulting that most site have. I even ignore those individuals here that do nothing productive except insult others.

But, I truely believe Walter is a young kid. Which if fine. But he does need to calm down at times when he attempts to have a debate or conversation with another poster.

How old are you Walter? Bring some light to this mystery

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
All I saw were promos this past week for its 9pm return. I saw all of them during Big Brother and the CBS 8pm Monday comedies. I'm pretty sure I also saw some though elsewhere during local programming.

But, I know the week before, they were promoting the show for 10pm. I don't think the change back to 9pm came until last wednesday, after the repeat return of Shark at 10pm, after BB9.

Do you really think we'll get the correct answer? People lie all the time, on the internet, about what they look like and their age.

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Originally posted by robert:
How old are you Walter? Bring some light to this mystery

Marc's column:
Wednesday 4/30/08

Household Rating/Share
Fox: 9.2/15
CBS: 7.2/11
NBC: 5.7/ 9
ABC: 4.4/ 7
CW: 2.6/ 4

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-Percent Change From the Year-Ago Evening (Wednesday, May 2, 2007)
NBC: +16, CBS: - 6, ABC: -15, CW: -19, Fox: -29,

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Note: The fast affiliate results for Wednesday will be posted at PIFeedback by 12 p.m. ET. Go to the website, click on Ratings Box (the first category), then Last Night’s Results, and Wednesday, April 30, 2008.

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
American Idol (Fox), Criminal Minds (CBS), CSI: NY (CBS)

-Yesterday’s Losers (Excluding Repeats):
Let’s wait until the fast nationals come in until I officially label anything. But hovering towards the list of losers are ABC’s Wife Swap and Supernanny, Fox’s ‘Til Death and the CW’s Farmer Wants a Wife.

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-Ratings Breakdown:
Led by American Idol, Fox took Wednesday with typical ease, outdeliving second-place CBS by 2 full rating points in the metered markets. Third overall was NBC, followed by ABC and the CW.

The first half of a two-hour edition of NBC’s Deal or No Deal won the 8 p.m. hour, with a far from spectacular 5.4 rating/9 share in the overnights. Comparably, that beat the time period premiere of CBS’ The Price is Right (#2: 5.1/ 8) by six percent. Also in the 8 p.m. hour was ABC’s Wife Swap (#3t: 4.1/ 7), Fox sitcoms ‘Til Death (#4: 3.7/ 6) and Back to You (#3: 4.7/ 8), and America’s Next Top Model on the CW (#5: 3.2/ 6). Worth noting for Back to You was growth out of ‘Til Death of a considerable 27 percent in the overnights. That should be more than enough to warrant Kelsey Grammer and Patricia Heaton a second season.

The biggest observation of note in the Wednesday 8 p.m. anchor spot remains the lack of any big hits this season.

Fox’s American Idol rose to a hefty 14.3/22 in the overnights from 9-10 p.m., building from Back to You by a massive 204 percent. Since we all knew it would either be Brooke or Syesha last night, let’s just say that Syesha is now expected to depart next week. As for the latest Paula Abdul brouhaha, aren’t we all just plain tied of the ongoing excuses?

Second behind American Idol at 9 p.m. was CBS’ Criminal Minds at a very comfortable 8.7/13 (64 percent above the 8:30 p.m. portion of lead-in The Price is Right). Third was the second half of NBC’s expanded Deal or No Deal (4.9/ 9), followed by ABC’s Supernanny (3.9/ 6), and the premiere of the CW’s Farmer Wants a Wife (#5: 2.0/ 3). Comparably, retention for Farmer Wants a Wife out of the second-half of Top Model (3.4/ 6 at 8:30 p.m.) was just 59 percent. And year-ago occupant One Tree Hill was slightly higher rated at a 2.2/ 3 on May 2, 2007.

Overall, NBC’s Deal or No Deal averaged a 5.1/ 8 from 8-10 p.m.

CBS moved into the 10 p.m. winner’s circle, with CSI: NY at a 7.8/12. But what could be concerning is a year-to-year loss of 15 percent in the overnights (7.8/12 vs. 9.2/15 on May 2, 2007). Second in the hour was NBC’s veteran Law & Order (6.8/11), followed by the time period-premiere of ABC’s Boston Legal (5.2/ 9), which built out of the second half of lead-in Supernanny (4.1/ 6 at 9:30 p.m.) by 27 percent.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data


Overall: Great news for Boston Legal. Sad to see the continuous struggle for Til Death and modest to solid overall CBS and NBC. Farmer Wants a Wife shows more promise than recent CW reality premieres.

Why is network TV ratings down?
Marc's May 1st PI gives us some answers.

- ABC Family finished April 2008 with its best results for the month to-date in total viewers (1.2 million), adults 18-34 (326,000), adults 18-49 (572,000), women 18-34 (212,000) and women 18-49 (361,000).

- Bravo rose to a record performance in primetime based on total viewers (667,000: +34 percent from one year earlier) and adults 18-49 (404,000: +57 percent).

- Comedy Central finished the month with its most watched April ever (1.2 million viewers: +15 percent from April 2007), with growth of 11 percent in adults 18-49 (720,000) and 14 percent among key men 18-24 (165,000).

- Driven by E! News, The Daily 10, Chelsea Lately and The Soup, E! made the April history books, with 537,000 total viewers in primetime (up 20 percent from one year earlier).

- It is now 37 consecutive months of growth for young male destination G4, with its most-watched April to-date in households, total viewers and men 18-34.

- Addictive HGTV rose to a record April based on primetime in households (927,000) and key adults 25-54 (484,000).

- Fueled by Green River Killer, Lifetime Movie Network scored its eighth consecutive month of double-digit gains, with a 0.8 rating in primetime. Comparably, this is the longest growth streak in the cable network’s 10-year history.


- Ignited by Deion & Pilar: Prime Time Love and Snapped, Oxygen rose to a record monthly performance in total viewers (393,000: +33 percent from April 2007), adults 18-49 (217,000: +29 percent), women 18-49 (153,000: +19 percent) and women 18-34 (78,000: + 7 percent).

- Sci Fi Channel scored its highest rated April to-date in key female and young adult demographics, with growth of as much as 16 percent among women 18-49 compared to one year earlier. Comparably, Sci Fi finished sixth among all basic cable networks in adults 25-54.

- TBS completed April first among adults 18-34 (633,000) in primetime -- up by a significant 64 percent in the demo from April 2007.

- TNT in total day was ad-supported cable’s top-rated network in April among adults 18-49 and adults 25-54 (679,000 each). Compared to April 2007, TNT increased by as much as 13 percent among adults 18-49.

- USA reached a new zenith in April in primetime in households (2.06 million), total viewers (2.74 million), adults 18-49 (1.24 million) and adults 25-54 (1.23 million), finishing first among all basic cable networks in all four categories.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
The biggest observation of note in the Wednesday 8 p.m. anchor spot remains the lack of any big hits this season.

In my mind, the biggest observation is that Wednesday 8pm went from 4 of the 5 networks programming scripted shows in that timeslot last year to 4 of the 5 networks (sometimes all 5) programming reality fare in that timeslot this year. Certainly, ANTM has felt some ratings dent due to the other networks' transitioning to similar fare at that hour.

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
Why is network TV ratings down?
Marc's May 1st PI gives us some answers.

Attribute much of this effect to the WGA strike. The strike caused people to seek out something they haven't seen before and that meant a transition to cable programming. Some of those viewers will 'never come back' to the networks.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
The biggest observation of note in the Wednesday 8 p.m. anchor spot remains the lack of any big hits this season.

In my mind, the biggest observation is that Wednesday 8pm went from 4 of the 5 networks programming scripted shows in that timeslot last year to 4 of the 5 networks (sometimes all 5) programming reality fare in that timeslot this year. Certainly, ANTM has felt some ratings dent due to the other networks' transitioning to similar fare at that hour.

Don't you think 8:00 Wednesdays is a good spot for CBS to open up a new hour of sitcoms next season ? I think they could do well against the other networks, and do better than anything CBS has put on in that hour this season.

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Originally posted by Twins12:
Don't you think 8:00 Wednesdays is a good spot for CBS to open up a new hour of sitcoms next season ? I think they could do well against the other networks, and do better than anything CBS has put on in that hour this season.

I agree that is a prime location for CBS to branch out with their 'glut' of sitcom offerings. The sitcoms would have to do as well as Kid Nation, Big Brother, and Price is Right in the ratings AND the sitcoms would have some potential to reach syndication where their is some aftermarket income.