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quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by DB108:
The mere fact that people celebrate over OTH drawing 3 million viewers is pathetic considering the WB used to average 5 million viewers a night just a few years ago.
Care to present data to support your theory that this is 'pathetic' rather than representative of broadcast television in general? Show the data for each network's (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, WB, UPN, CW, MNTV) season long average back when you believe WB averaged 5 million viewers, then show each network's average for last year (or so far this year). I fthe other 4 networks have held steady, then you might have a point. quote: With MNTV's growth and now picking up WWE, they are going to surpass the CW next season. Which is very said considering that everybody thought that MNTV was a joke when it launched. Guess the joke was on them.
MNTV started as a network only because they were left without a network affiliatiion. They slapped togasther a telenova plan because they had to do something to keep all those local stations afloat. Unfortunately, the telenova plan failed miserably, but at least it showed thought. This season, MNTV has had a big increase in ratings by concentrating on rerun programs from other networks and really low budget 'reality' fare. Sure, the ratings are better, but the network has shown no 'vision' towards a future at all this year. Instead, they are looking like a cable network (one of the cable networks that doesn't even have original programming, not one of the 'good' cable networks).
I think Obveeus is being rather hard in his assessment of MyNetworkTV. In the 2006-07 season, not only did MNT produce roughly 390 hours of original, scripted telenovella episodes, it also launched the very first broadcast network series devoted to mixed martial arts, a breakthrough that is now being followed through by none other than the Tiffany network, CBS. In the same season, MNT also brought back in a big way broadcast network movie nights with a mixed programming that leaned towards the off-beat and indie in scope...theatrical movies had all but disappeared as they had been dropped by every network save for ABC. In the 2007-08 season, the network was initially placed under a very tight budgetary constraint by owner FOX, so the fall did contain a mixture of encore programming (Meet My Folks, The Academy) and shared productions (Jail), but it also contained some original programming (Celebrity Expose, Decision House, Control Room Presents). Going into the spring, summer and next fall, MyNetworkTV has indeed set a vision, and it is one aimed towards the demographic segments that have been gradually abandoned by the other networks: the African-American demographic and the M18-49 demo. The new 'vision' of MyNetworkTV gets underway in mid-April as the nascent network is set to unveil its first sitcom (Under One Roof, starring Mr. Flavor Flav), and then in the fall when WWE Smackdown moves to MNT the third week of September. Mr. Meidel has also indicated that there are is further scripted programming in the development stage, including at least one groundbreaking drama. MyNetworkTV is the most improved network of the 2007-08 season, and is poised for further growth and improvement going forward into the 2008-09 season. Wise are the media buyers who go long on MNT, and fortunate are the affiliates who have attached themselves to this dynamic, growing network. |
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quote: I also don't see any reason for Smallville and Supernatural fans to fight - it's apples and oranges.
Yup, rotten apples and rotten oranges... |
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quote: Originally posted by mayorofsmpleton: quote: I also don't see any reason for Smallville and Supernatural fans to fight - it's apples and oranges.
Yup, rotten apples and rotten oranges...
Do you watch either show? I'm not trying to be funny, either. But I find interesting how people freely toss around quality judgments on shows they have never actually watched. (From Lost, to Pushing Daisies, to Moonlight.) But, while I might talk about the ratings for a show I don't watch, I don't talk about the show itself because, unless I'm watching, what do I know about its quality? |
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quote: Originally posted by dumont: quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by DB108:
The mere fact that people celebrate over OTH drawing 3 million viewers is pathetic considering the WB used to average 5 million viewers a night just a few years ago.
Care to present data to support your theory that this is 'pathetic' rather than representative of broadcast television in general? Show the data for each network's (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, WB, UPN, CW, MNTV) season long average back when you believe WB averaged 5 million viewers, then show each network's average for last year (or so far this year). I fthe other 4 networks have held steady, then you might have a point. quote: With MNTV's growth and now picking up WWE, they are going to surpass the CW next season. Which is very said considering that everybody thought that MNTV was a joke when it launched. Guess the joke was on them.
MNTV started as a network only because they were left without a network affiliatiion. They slapped togasther a telenova plan because they had to do something to keep all those local stations afloat. Unfortunately, the telenova plan failed miserably, but at least it showed thought. This season, MNTV has had a big increase in ratings by concentrating on rerun programs from other networks and really low budget 'reality' fare. Sure, the ratings are better, but the network has shown no 'vision' towards a future at all this year. Instead, they are looking like a cable network (one of the cable networks that doesn't even have original programming, not one of the 'good' cable networks).
I think Obveeus is being rather hard in his assessment of MyNetworkTV. In the 2006-07 season, not only did MNT produce roughly 390 hours of original, scripted telenovella episodes, it also launched the very first broadcast network series devoted to mixed martial arts, a breakthrough that is now being followed through by none other than the Tiffany network, CBS. In the same season, MNT also brought back in a big way broadcast network movie nights with a mixed programming that leaned towards the off-beat and indie in scope...theatrical movies had all but disappeared as they had been dropped by every network save for ABC. In the 2007-08 season, the network was initially placed under a very tight budgetary constraint by owner FOX, so the fall did contain a mixture of encore programming (Meet My Folks, The Academy) and shared productions (Jail), but it also contained some original programming (Celebrity Expose, Decision House, Control Room Presents). Going into the spring, summer and next fall, MyNetworkTV has indeed set a vision, and it is one aimed towards the demographic segments that have been gradually abandoned by the other networks: the African-American demographic and the M18-49 demo. The new 'vision' of MyNetworkTV gets underway in mid-April as the nascent network is set to unveil its first sitcom (Under One Roof, starring Mr. Flavor Flav), and then in the fall when WWE Smackdown moves to MNT the third week of September. Mr. Meidel has also indicated that there are is further scripted programming in the development stage, including at least one groundbreaking drama. MyNetworkTV is the most improved network of the 2007-08 season, and is poised for further growth and improvement going forward into the 2008-09 season. Wise are the media buyers who go long on MNT, and fortunate are the affiliates who have attached themselves to this dynamic, growing network.
ONE BIG QUESTION: Why DOESN'T Marc POST ANY MyNetworkTV ratings data? BTW, MNT's showing of movie, "Sister Act 2" (starring Whoopie Goldberg) beat The CW: According to Nielsen, MNT beat The CW in the households (luckily, The CW beat MNT in the demo by 0.1) in a RERUN night vs. RERUN night (between CW and MNT) during the night of March 6, 2008 (Thursday). Here are the breakdowns: Breakdown - by half hour (households and demo) R = rerun/repeat 8/7c: Smallville R (CW): HH: 1.5/2, A18-49: 1.0 vs. My Thursday Night Movie: Sister Act 2 R (MNT): HH: 1.3/2, A18-49: 0.5 8:30/7:30c: Smallville R (CW): HH: 1.5/2, A18-49: 0.9 vs. My Thursday Night Movie: Sister Act 2 R (MNT): HH: 1.5/2, A18-49: 0.6 9/8c: MNT beats CW Reaper R (CW): HH: 1.1/2, A18-49: 0.6 vs. My Thursday Night Movie: Sister Act 2 R (MNT): HH: 1.7/3, A18-49: 0.8 9:30/8:30c: MNT beats CW Reaper R (CW): HH: 1.1/2, A18-49: 0.6 vs. My Thursday Night Movie: Sister Act 2 R (MNT): HH: 2.0/3, A18-49: 1.0 ******Average****** CW - HH: 1.3/2, A18-49: 0.8 MNT - HH: 1.6/3, A18-49: 0.7
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In my opinion, Reaper deserves to be renewed. It is one of the CW's higher rated shows, and it's numbers have been good in it's new timeslot. If the CW doesnt renew it, they will really have NOTHING next year. Whats with the gains for Lipstick Jungle?
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Sure do care to present my evidence, Obveeus. I've tracked ratings for a very long time and the decline of the WB and now CW has been nothing short of astounding. Ratings are hurting right now because of the strike for almost every network but the CW. Why? It's ratings suck period. Back in 2001/2002, the WB had the following series that could regularly draw more than 5 million viewers: 7th Heaven, Everwood, Gilmore Girls, One Tree Hill, Smallville and Reba. Charmed and Angel would sometimes hit that mark. Now? Nothing. Nothing can ever draw more than 4 million, save WWE. If I could find the files I would verify, but I estimate that Sundays have lost 70% of its audience, Mondays 50% (compared to the UPN), Tuesdays 50%, Wednesday 30% (compared to the UPN), Thursdays 20%. Fridays have doubled its audience, thanks to the WWE. No other network has shown those kinds of massive losses. NBC comes close, but it also started from a much higher point. And even if the CW has a vision, what does it really matter? It hasn't been able to capitalize on it. It's like NBC Thursday. NBC obviously has a vision for that night, but it's not really working, so what's the point? The CW may as well be MNTV, and it will be next season.
Momentum is clearly with MNTV at this point. The point of the CW was to bring the best of the UPN and the best of the WB together to form a stronger front. What do we have now? Much lower ratings than either of those networks got. The CW is a joke - a complete failure and there's no way to hide that fact.
It just goes to show that you can't predict a winner. The CW was launched with a mass marketing campaign, the best stations and unbelievable hype. MNTV was the scraps.
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You did not provide data for network ratings. Instead, you isolated a few shows on one network, claimed they had viewers, then made up percentages for your belief as to the size of the ratings drop for just the one network. Useless.
Yes, momentum is with MNTV. If they double their ratings average next year, they will be close to equal with CW.
As for 'best stations', when the CW was formed people pointed out right away that it had much LESS network reach than WB and slightly less than UPN because so many of its stations were digital cable only, not actual broadcast reach.
Both CW and MNTV are 'long term' projects and people should feel silly claiming every year that they are about to fold. If CW loses 50% of its audience, it will be at MNTV levels. MNTV isn't out of business, so why make the illogical claim that CW would be? Both networks are going to stick around and hold that nwetwork broadcast space until such time as the people that want to run networks decide if broadcast TV is really going to die in favor of cable/internet style delivery.
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The WB was a lot stronger network than what the CW is now. As for the Station line up, its not that big of an issue since 90% of the US is on cable. The major difference between the CW and MyTV is the ownership. The CW is owned between two publicly traded that must answer to its stockholders. MyTV is privately owned and FOX may be in a better position for the losses it may take to get it off the ground. quote: Originally posted by Obveeus:
You did not provide data for network ratings. Instead, you isolated a few shows on one network, claimed they had viewers, then made up percentages for your belief as to the size of the ratings drop for just the one network. Useless.
Yes, momentum is with MNTV. If they double their ratings average next year, they will be close to equal with CW.
As for 'best stations', when the CW was formed people pointed out right away that it had much LESS network reach than WB and slightly less than UPN because so many of its stations were digital cable only, not actual broadcast reach.
Both CW and MNTV are 'long term' projects and people should feel silly claiming every year that they are about to fold. If CW loses 50% of its audience, it will be at MNTV levels. MNTV isn't out of business, so why make the illogical claim that CW would be? Both networks are going to stick around and hold that nwetwork broadcast space until such time as the people that want to run networks decide if broadcast TV is really going to die in favor of cable/internet style delivery.
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| Posts: 15415 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic:
The WB was a lot stronger network than what the CW is now.
Yes...and NBC was stronger 10 years ago than now...same for FOX, CBS, ABC. Network TV, as a whole, is weaker than it once was. No doubt, the percentage drop is higher for CW if you take just a snapshot to highlight the current moment, but then again, the WB was losing a ton of money...much, much more than CW has been losing quote: As for the Station line up, its not that big of an issue since 90% of the US is on cable.
What percentage of WB/UPN viewers were on cable in those networks final year. Those are the only people that matter and given their lower income status, the percentage watching over the air was higher than the percentage of general public. quote: The major difference between the CW and MYTV is the ownership. The CW is owned between two publicly traded that must answer to its stockholders. MyTV is privately owned and FOX may be in a better position for the losses it may take to get it off the ground.
MNTV, FOX...aren't they owned by News Corp? News Corp. is a publicly traded company. |
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quote: Both CW and MNTV are 'long term' projects and people should feel silly claiming every year that they are about to fold. If CW loses 50% of its audience, it will be at MNTV levels. MNTV isn't out of business, so why make the illogical claim that CW would be? Both networks are going to stick around and hold that nwetwork broadcast space until such time as the people that want to run networks decide if broadcast TV is really going to die in favor of cable/internet style delivery.
I think what we are partly referring to about The CW about to fold is that they are going to lose ANTM, OTH, & SV in probably a year. Without those shows, CW doesn't really have anything. Think about it, every show after those 3 only really does "okay" because of the lead in. And if CW lost 50%, then it would be screwed. I don't think 200,000, if that, on Sundays would cut it. Especially because CW is going DOWNHILL, while MNT is going UPHILL. Something MNT needs to change is their name, though. I bet that's why half the people don't watch it, who wants to watch a network called MyNetworkTV with a huge honking logo on the screen?  |
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| Posts: 2224 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 27 January 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Justin: Something MNT needs to change is their name, though. I bet that's why half the people don't watch it, who wants to watch a network called MyNetworkTV with a huge honking logo on the screen?
More and more of the affiliates are reverting to using the MyTV logo and identifier, which I believe MyNetworkTV owns the trademark rights to. In my local market, the MyNetworkTV affiliate has converted all their on-air promos to MyTV as well as their promos for major syndicated programs (MySimpsons, MyFamilyGuy, MyMovie, MyMaury). I'm sure if they had enough budget to do local news, it would be MyNews. One thing that I am watching closely for is changes in affiliations in major and minor markets. As MyNetworkTV gains steam and ratings heft, I would not be surprised to see major independents sign on in major markets (perhaps WSBK Boston) and perhaps some affiliate / station group switching too (i.e. upgrading from a digital affiliation to an OTA affiliation). The best time to improve your mix of affiliates is on the way up, and the time when networks are at their most vulnerable is when they're on the way down. |
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quote: Originally posted by Justin:
Especially because CW is going DOWNHILL, while MNT is going UPHILL.
MNT was going downhill itself not so long ago. That's why people are talking about the impressive turnaround it's having now. If MNT can have such a turnaround, why can't the CW? Why is it possible for one, but impossible for the other? In a weird way, it doesn't feel like a serious effort has been made to turn the CW around. For two seasons, they seemed to have this philosophy that if they just kept chugging along, eventually the network would "catch on" all on its own. But all their patient waiting has gotten them is deeper in the hole. Either they've figured out by now that they will have to be more aggressive to get the network on an upswing, or we can look forward to them sinking even deeper. |
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quote: Originally posted by dumont: quote: Originally posted by Justin: Something MNT needs to change is their name, though. I bet that's why half the people don't watch it, who wants to watch a network called MyNetworkTV with a huge honking logo on the screen?
More and more of the affiliates are reverting to using the MyTV logo and identifier, which I believe MyNetworkTV owns the trademark rights to. In my local market, the MyNetworkTV affiliate has converted all their on-air promos to MyTV as well as their promos for major syndicated programs (MySimpsons, MyFamilyGuy, MyMovie, MyMaury). I'm sure if they had enough budget to do local news, it would be MyNews. One thing that I am watching closely for is changes in affiliations in major and minor markets. As MyNetworkTV gains steam and ratings heft, I would not be surprised to see major independents sign on in major markets (perhaps WSBK Boston) and perhaps some affiliate / station group switching too (i.e. upgrading from a digital affiliation to an OTA affiliation). The best time to improve your mix of affiliates is on the way up, and the time when networks are at their most vulnerable is when they're on the way down.
Well, here in Los Angeles they have a huge old honking logo that has that square symbol, and it says My13 Los Angeles, or something along those lines. They are in need of a new name and logo. |
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| Posts: 2224 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 27 January 2007 | |
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