Did the finals ever come out? Did I just pass right over them?

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Originally posted by galveston:

I don't have the nerve to act on Smallville's and it's a fabulous show. Oh, I'd dearly love to guest star in each one of them. Smallville! Oh and I would love to guest star in Lost, Heroes, Chuck, and Prison Break.

Oh that trying2b can "fix" this quote and make another witty comments so well. I'll bet he can. He's so clever. And no on needs to fix Smallville; it's already renewed for an eighth season (the last). I'd rather be paired with Tom Welling in Smallville.

Fixed and repaired hehe .

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Could the CW network as a network be in trouble?

Well yes, it's only been discussed for the past what, 3 months?

Once Top Model, which isn't even helpful to The CW, leaves, and Smallville leaves, The CW will shut down. Unless they are able to find a major hit that can save them at least one night a week.

DVD sales do matter, Obveeus, because of increasing vertical integration. Even if ABC doesn't make money off of Lost DVD sales, Disney does because it's produced in-house. And Disney owns ABC. This is why vertical integration will only increase, especially as companies scramble for income from a variety of sources, not just commercials as was in the past. Lost typically sells 500k DVDs a year. If Disney makes $20 a copy, that's $10 million right there, enough to finance several episodes.

The syndication market as a whole sucks right now and serials have always done worse. If ABC is keeping series alive for syndication purposes, it's barking up the wrong tree. Then along comes According To Jim.... DH, GA, UB, Lost, B&S, etc are not going to be a syndication gold mine. The only way ABC will be able to sell them will be as a package deal with a cable network. I'm pretty sure that DH and GA are already locked in with Lifetime. Sci Fi will pick up Lost eventually. UB & B&S will either go to Lifetime or Oxygen.

And product placement... if it's not intrusive, it can be okay. Gum seems to be a big one - they did it on Veronica Mars last season and it was absolutely terrible - too blatantly obvious. But so was the series by that time.

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Could the CW network as a network be in trouble?

That would imply that they aren't already in trouble. It's gone from bad to worse and it's not even an if but a when as it pertains to the network folding.

TravisYanan, please provide ratings for Futurama on your final numbers post in this Sunday's thread, if you can. Thanks!

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Originally posted by Justin:

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by Justin:

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Originally posted by Obveeus:
5 years from now, if everyone is watching via timeshift, you can kiss TV as you know it goodbye because advertisers won't pay for that. So, everything will be pay per view or pay channels. 'Free' Broadcast TV will be gone.

I highly doubt that. I bet what would happen is advertisements every 15 minutes or so, like they do online, the ones where you can't avoid it.

Please explain how advertisements every 15 minutes or so won't be 'avoidable' with a DVR.

Because, it wouldn't be in the DVR format if it were pay-per-view.

Ah, now I understand. When you said 'I highly doubt that' right after I said 'everything will be pay per view', what you really meant was 'I totally agree with you', since that is what you are now saying.

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Originally posted by Zitrone:

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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It's quite ironic that people are enjoying their favorite series by DVR, because they're also killing them by using DVR.

Even more ironic when you hear them brag about how much smarter they are because they use a DVR.

Well, unless they are a Nielsen household, it really doesn't matter if they watch it live or on DVR, or download it via torrents.

I am quite sure that every person bragging about their superior intelligence by use of the DVR is accurately represented by the Nielsen families doing the same.

BTW, DVR users have been shown in all TV studies I have ever read to watch MORE TV than their non-DVR counterparts. Watching MORE TV is not a sign of intelligence, even if the messageboard writers/readers here believe otherwise due to the 'biased' nature of the sample.

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Originally posted by filmkr27:
If lipstick jungle had a better lead in, I think it would do better.

Lipstick Jungle had a much better lead-in than the show that normally fills that timeslot (ER) gets from the normal lead-in (Scrubs).

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Originally posted by Justin:
Once Top Model, which isn't even helpful to The CW, leaves,

How is it that you feel that the CW's top demo draw isn't helpful to the network?

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Originally posted by Holly:
Product placement does bring up a few issues that need to be decided/resolved before it becomes a primary means of advertising.

You bring up lots of good issues. I think that a show would likely be able to go to a product placement competitor the moment a current product placement stops paying. Rememberlast year when Survivor went directly to Ford product placementws after GM dropped out of the show? The actors probably won't have any say in the products they are forced to 'endorse'. I can see that being a problem when George and Izzy pul out the pack of Trojans.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:
The actors probably won't have any say in the products they are forced to 'endorse'. I can see that being a problem when George and Izzy pul out the pack of Trojans.

Or Red Rider BB Guns and go at each other with them.

Marc, I assume you mean next season right? Or do you think they'll leave it there this season and move Supernatural to Tuesday or Wednesday for the remainder of this year. Supernatural has proven it can survive on its own and they could do Supernatural: Beginnings as a lead in this spring to help out and pull B&tG until summer.

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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
I think the CW will keep Reaper on Thursday and move Supernatural to another night. Movies will probably end up on Friday.

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Originally posted by WlcmYourMmDtDanceUndrcovr:
If Reaper survives past May (and I think it is a toss up right now), I see CW dumping it on Fridays as its not a project that the heads of CW favors. CW plays favorites more than any other main network.

I think he meant WWE not being helpful to the network.

When the CW launched, it was imperative that they launch big, and with a few new hits. They did not combine the UPN and the WB because they thought "Hey, why not put two great things together!" They launched it because both the WB and the UPN would be dead in a few years if they didn't. What they brought into the CW were a slew of declining hits (GG, SM & 7th) and a few never-weres (Supernatural, VM, OTH). And the one strength, ANTM.

So what happens? The CW fails to launch any new hits. The old series decline even further, and now ANTM has finally been struck with a heavy decline. The mere fact that people celebrate over OTH drawing 3 million viewers is pathetic considering the WB used to average 5 million viewers a night just a few years ago. But that's the state of the CW right now. And if they can't find new hits next season, with ANTM likely declining even more, WWE gone, and Smallville and OTH entering their last seasons, there is no hope. With MNTV's growth and now picking up WWE, they are going to surpass the CW next season. Which is very said considering that everybody thought that MNTV was a joke when it launched. Guess the joke was on them.

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Originally posted by DB108:
The mere fact that people celebrate over OTH drawing 3 million viewers is pathetic considering the WB used to average 5 million viewers a night just a few years ago.

Care to present data to support your theory that this is 'pathetic' rather than representative of broadcast television in general? Show the data for each network's (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, WB, UPN, CW, MNTV) season long average back when you believe WB averaged 5 million viewers, then show each network's average for last year (or so far this year). I fthe other 4 networks have held steady, then you might have a point.

[/quote]With MNTV's growth and now picking up WWE, they are going to surpass the CW next season. Which is very said considering that everybody thought that MNTV was a joke when it launched. Guess the joke was on them.[/QUOTE] MNTV started as a network only because they were left without a network affiliatiion. They slapped togasther a telenova plan because they had to do something to keep all those local stations afloat. Unfortunately, the telenova plan failed miserably, but at least it showed thought. This season, MNTV has had a big increase in ratings by concentrating on rerun programs from other networks and really low budget 'reality' fare. Sure, the ratings are better, but the network has shown no 'vision' towards a future at all this year. Instead, they are looking like a cable network (one of the cable networks that doesn't even have original programming, not one of the 'good' cable networks).