Originally posted by TV-aholic: True, but the CW would grow froma 2.3 million viewer average and a .9 demo rating to a 5 million average and a 1.8 demo rating.
They would start getting shows that have 6-7 million viewers, regularly. Then that could then roll into more eyes checking out shows like Smallville and Reaper.
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Originally posted by Chimera: Even if they move those shows from CBS to the CW, they wouldn't bring along the ratings they had while airing on CBS. The CW has a far smaller reach, far smaller advertising platform, and the ratings of ANTM is about as high they can get without significantly altering who they are (stations, reach, etc).
In no way can you assume that 90% of a show's audience move to a new network. I don't know if you can assume 50% would move with it.
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I guess it shouldn't be surprising ... it's a show that was probably too expensive for its timeslot.
I think they should do a spin-off, wherein the A.J. Cooper character moves to Hawaii and, get this, becomes a private detective. He could move into this big mansion which is owned by this really mysterious guy. Wow this stuff writes itself ... pure gold
It consistently built on its lead in and aired during one of the least watched hours of television.
Las Vegas this season, Close to Home last season, Women's Murder Club possibly (likely?) this season -- all either got cancelled or very close to it, and all airing in the Friday @ 9pm slot. I really don't understand what their respective networks expect out of that timeslot -- I would have been satisfied with all three's ratings for a Friday night. In fact, a lineup of those 3 would probably win the night. NBC also did that with Providence a few years back, also on Friday nights. I don't get it.
Originally posted by Da Trufe: ANTM has integrity issues.......witness: Heather and Lisa we're smokin' hot in te last cycle, but as my 13 year old tells me, threatened Tyra, so off they went. When your viewers vote Heather the top gal 98 weeks in a row, and you toss her off,
You need to remember that ANTM is not 'live' like Idol. It is recorded months in advance so the show can not be changed to match the popularity contest of the home viewers.
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despite saying that they took the best pictures....as in, last I checked, models were in a picture based industry.
ANTM isn't just about the best print model. Your favorite, heather, was completely unable to talk in front of a camera or present herself to modeling agencies. She was extremely attractive, but incapable of performing the tasks on the show or in real life to become a 'Top Model'.
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Last night there were two girls of note. Ashley, or whatever the #1 girl picked was, and Domeneque, who got picked as an after thought.
Dominique never should have been selected for the show. She has zero potential as a model. They were being generous to even include her as the 'final contestant'[/QUOTE]
Originally posted by TravisYanan: Only problem is that the Top 13 have already been revealed by CW press releases, marketing, etc.
I agree completely, Travis. It is very counterproductive for the show to base the entire first epiosde on deciding who will make the cast when the cast is revealed on the website ahead of time. As for ratings going up, I think it might take 2 more weeks since Idol will again have the top12 women next week. ANTM's biggest worry should be that they have suffered a permanent loss of viewers becasue of the winnr selection being a 'fix' last season.[/QUOTE]
Originally posted by TAYLORJNG: ANTM always picks up as the season goes on. THe season premiere is always the most pointless episode, because we already know who the contestants are going to be.
The real key for this season will be in how well the 'makeover episde does'. It is one of the highest rated episodes of the season and is when the audience normally commits to the show. That being said, the cast this season is definitely a step above the past few seasons in the beauty department. Add that appeal in with the 'new judge' and I think there is plenty of reason for people to tune in this season.
It consistently built on its lead in and aired during one of the least watched hours of television.
I can't imagine they will find a show for a Friday night that will get the ratings Las Vegas had. Trying a new show on a Friday night is the kiss of death, and NBC does not have a strong enough show to move there. Maybe they will just 2 hours of gameshows and Dateline next season. A mistake if you ask me.
In no way can you assume that 90% of a show's audience move to a new network. I don't know if you can assume 50% would move with it.
It's funny how fans of a show will insist that its falling ratings were caused by a timeslot change (which certainly does happen, though it's rarely the only reason), then blithely state that the same audience which couldn't figure out their show was airing an hour later would have no trouble seeking it out on an entirely different network (and presumably a different day and time as well).
Taxi, as you may recall, moved from ABC to NBC for its fifth and final season. ABC had taken it out of its nice safe hammock, and it fell to 53rd place in its fourth season. NBC put it on Thursdays, right after the first season of Cheers, and just before Hill Street Blues. Could you hope for a more compatible lineup?
Apparently you could, because Taxi could only manage 73rd place in its fifth season, and that was that. And honestly, that was all there needed to be--we got it in syndication, and there really was no need for it to continue. It wasn't as funny as it used to be, and they'd done all they could do with the characters. What was left--Latka and Simka have a kid who talks baby talk in a weird accent? Louie becomes a nice person? Alex finally goes to bed with Nardo? How many sharkjumpings do you want for one show?
NBC was not doing as well as ABC at that point (that would shortly change, of course), but there was hardly the huge disparity in potential audience between two of the Big Three that there is when a show moves from a real network to a 'weblet'.
There's basically no guarantee an audience will stick with a show if it stays in the same timeslot on the same network with the same cast, and the same set of producers.
Originally posted by TravisYanan: The contestants kept the show engaging, while the wild success of a few Idol alums have kept it relevant.
This seems like one of those 'chicken & egg' things. I don't believe that the Idol contestants of past are all that talented. The success is specifically because of the show. The show format found a way to engage the audience, make them feel like they were a key ingredient in the success, and that they had to go out and buy the CDs to validate their choice. The real question is with regards to why a show without much talent was able to pump out such big successes while very similar shows with more talented cast and similar formats could not; witness the 'Superstar' series. I think the key is Simon as well as the Idol format being to create a new talent rather than refresh a 'known' talent like INXS.
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That the audience can vote for their favorite was original, in its time, for reality television in America (DWTS added viewer voting to its format after the summer season in 2005).
Agreed and I am still puzzled by why Big Brother found success aroudn the same time by going to opposite route and getting rid of the 'viewers choice' format.
Originally posted by spotupj: Why was nobody bagging on L&O's ratings last week, when they were 600K and 0.1 lower against the same competition, with a lead-in that was 1.5 million and 0.6 demo higher?
I commented (not "bagged") on last week's lukewarm #'s and a few joined in.
Apparently perception is finally catching up to the reality that the show's creative uptick has not resulted in a ratings boon.
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NBC put it on Thursdays, right after the first season of Cheers, and just before Hill Street Blues. Could you hope for a more compatible lineup?
Apparently you could, because Taxi could only manage 73rd place in its fifth season, and that was that.
May be more compatible but wouldn't help ratings-wise. Cheers was notoriously low-rated its first season. Winning an Emmy helped save it. This is NBC's thursday night lineup pre-Cosby Show invigoration.
Originally posted by HeightsEye: I don't doubt that many of you experts here could do a better job of programming the CW than the present regime does.
I do doubt that. Many of the suggestions made here with regards to the CW programming are absolutely ludicrous. people here can complain all they want about how poorly Dawn is doing, but given the confines of the budget, she is doing far better than any of the people here could do. The major failing on her part is that she has not been able to convince the 'higher ups' that they need to spend money in order to eventually make money. She needs to make them see CW as a new startup, not a continuation of the WB/UPN experiment. The latest example: saving new episodes of many of their shows during the strike. Why save them? It wasn't for sweeps. Instead, it was just a way to get through this season on the lowest budget possible while blaming the writer's strike for the lack of new product. Now, they will be airing those new epiosdes against first run competition on the other nets rather than against strike programming on the other nets.
Originally posted by mswood: On CBS shows on CW. 1. Budget, CW absolutely isn't budgeted for shows that would cost as much as most CBS shows do to produce.
2. Loss of market percentage and ad revenue would certainly cut 30% right off the top for viewer levels.
Agreed.
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Though CBS did have one show that underperformed that I thought demo wise would fit like a glove on the CW and that was Kid Nation
I disagree. Kid Nation demos were probably above and below CW's target, not at it. Now, if CW could get ahold of The Amazing Race they could have a successful show. Keep the format, but trade in the traditional old couple teams for more competitive young teams that count take on physical tasks and actually make a 'race' out of it.
