Bionic Woman and Las Vegas are now pretty much officially cancelled. Not shocked at all by Bionic Woman. Las Vegas may have had another season, but it was on its way out.

So excited that Anthony Anderson is on Law and Order. He's going to rock it. Now Cole Hauser needs to return to TV. I'm sure it'll be just a matter of time.

ABC has to be very happy that Cashmere Mafia is done. It won't be returning. Those numbers are beyond awful. Wife Swap and Supernanny took an Idol hit. That being said, its doing OK.

BB is a waste of air time. It's not a spring show and shouldn't have been used as filler. It'll return in the summer next year where it belongs.

Last week, I predicted that the ANTM would be down. I said that it would be in the 3 to 3.5 million range. 3.8 million is pretty close to it. ANTM's audience was taken away by AI. Really bad programming decision. Girlicious just has no hope. End it now. The ratings are about to enter Crowned territory of awfulness. Why it is called Pussycat Dolls present when the Pussycat Dolls aren't even on the show?

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Her biggest mistake was not shootong my pilot 3 years ago!!!!

Btw, boredstriker, think maybe it's time for a new board name?

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boredstriker, think maybe it's

how's this?

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Originally posted by pisher:

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Actually Buffy's move certainly was a benefit to the studio and the cast and crew of Buffy who had two additional seasons of income (not to mention an increased episode count for syndication and DVD sales).

WB wasn't going to cancel Buffy, the way I heard it. They just got outbid. They probably ended up feeling like they got the better end of that deal--and UPN got the other end. And UPN certainly didn't spend all that money for two seasons, and ratings that refused to stop falling.

Well considering that it fell since season 3 from as season average of 5.4 to a season average of 4.4 for season 5. I don't think that they minded an increase to an average of 4.6 for their first season, and then a drop to an average of 4.2 million. It dropped far less then its really should have based on its history, with far less support from companion programming. If anything, I think UPN was more upset that (and like Enterprise) they weren't able to build any companion programming for their two biggest performing scripted shows.

As to the WB, they placed a bid for the show (which they of course, can before its shopped around to others). Their bid was supposidly (On this just rumor, no facts to back up) not much more then the original contract. It then went to others places, which is where UPN came in. And placed its bid (based on the ratings it was getting, again on a show that had already peaked two years earlier and lost on average already a million viewers) of 2.2 per episode. WB had the option of countering, they didn't.

They picked it up, the shows ratings increased (though this was I am sure due to the heavily promoted and successful opening few episodes). Its 2nd year on UPN it averaged just two hundred thousand less then it did on the last year at the WB. That's hardly a bad drop for a show from its 5th to 7th season. Again less then 5%.

And I do think if it wasn't for Geller really being quite vocal about not doing another season (and UPN's failure in building any other programming) that it would have been picked up for another season.

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Originally posted by mswood:
I do know the actress didn't want a season 8 (and they would have had to renegotiate a contract with her). This might have been the bigger issue then its small loss in viewers.

I agree. Sarah Michelle Gellar was THE reason why Buffy ended. Any discussion of ratings is moot compared with that undeniable factor. Same goes for Gilmore Girls: the show ended because the stars were unwilling to do anything further for any reasonable offer. Sometimes that happens and there is nothing a network can do to change it.

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Originally posted by WelcomeToK-VilleBlueBloodUndercover:
So excited that Anthony Anderson is on Law and Order.

Time to shorten up the screen name?

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Originally posted by KSO:
ABC needs to get rid of who is in charge of scheduling and who is running this ship first.

It's a mess.

The chimps have a firm grip on upper management right now. It will take a true Tarzan to rid us of them.

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
CSI: Des Moines

Do you realize how much of a joke that has been in the industry since the franchise started expanding? Granted, it would do well for our worthless CBS affiliate here.

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Originally posted by pisher:

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The CW, to survive, may need to reinvent itself. This 13-21 demo programming is, for the most part, not working at all.

Let the CW become more like USA or TNT or even TBS (go all comedy).

As I said recently (quite possibly not knowing what I'm talking about), the tanking economy is going to create a small window of opportunity for CW to go for people who have developed a taste for edgy cable programming, but don't want to shell out for cable anymore. There's a limit to how edgy a broadcast network can get, obviously--and clearly CW has no chance of taking HBO's audience. But they could go for USA's, TNT's, FX's, definitely. It's a long shot, but not out of the question. One complicating factor is the changeover to HD in a year's time, which will not affect people who have cable--and thus discourage people from getting rid of cable. Like I said, a very small window of opportunity.

But whatever avenue they want to try, the first order of the day is replacing the network head who led them to this dismal prospect. Ostroff has to go.

Well stated and I completely agree.

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Originally posted by TPlums:
Any thoughts on Las Vegas getting canceled ?

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors...-Scoop-Nbc/800033830

It consistently built on its lead in and aired during one of the least watched hours of television.

This is an example of a show that was sent to Fridays to die. NBC got some demo mileage early on out of it and then dropped the promotion on the show and gave it Friday Night Lights as the lead in. Never a good thing. Perhaps Reilly was saying something last year when FNL was originally scheduled for 10pm.

Sounds like you found the new network slogan for the CW. CW: we suck now, but later we might not suck as much.

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Originally posted by Matrix:
Nobody considers that America's Next Top Model was against American Idol? All other networks have an excuse for this, The CW not. At least you should hope that The CW not disappear, otherwise of what you could tlaking in this board? Wait a couple of weeks before that of say ANTM is dead! Nobody has good ratings against AI.

Law and Order is an additional 6 characters in the name. You don't really want my name to be longer, do you?

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Originally posted by WelcomeToK-VilleBlueBloodUndercover:
So excited that Anthony Anderson is on Law and Order.

Time to shorten up the screen name?

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Originally posted by mswood:
On CBS shows on CW.
1. Budget, CW absolutely isn't budgeted for shows that would cost as much as most CBS shows do to produce.

2. Loss of market percentage and ad revenue would certainly cut 30% right off the top for viewer levels.

Agreed.

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Though CBS did have one show that underperformed that I thought demo wise would fit like a glove on the CW and that was Kid Nation

I disagree. Kid Nation demos were probably above and below CW's target, not at it. Now, if CW could get ahold of The Amazing Race they could have a successful show. Keep the format, but trade in the traditional old couple teams for more competitive young teams that count take on physical tasks and actually make a 'race' out of it.

No. I don't need anymore shows I like being shoved onto that death net. Just have the CW start downsizing nights: one each season until nothings left.

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If 5 years and 10 cycles isn't a sign of endurance, then please enlighten me and tell me what is...

5 years and 10 cycles of programming people actually watched?

If you mean Ostroff, yes, she's shown tons of endurance. She's survived the end of one network, and is well on her way to destroying another one. And we know why she's not fired--her loyalty to Les Moonves, and his loyalty to her. Admirable. But ultimately not helpful, to anyone but Ostroff herself.

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No disrespect to you, and I mean that,

And no disrespect to you, whoever you are. I don't know why you feel like defending the indefensible, but I appreciate your willingness to do so by prating meaningless factoids as if they mean something. And I mean that.

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but your post just seems like another typical attempt at bashing the CW, which seems to be the norm in these boards.

Right. Only here. Nowhere else. There have not been numerous articles in the trades about CW's dismal failure. There have not been public speculations as to how long Ostroff can last, or how long CW itself can remain viable. And CW isn't posting lower ratings than UPN did, back before Ostroff rendered it unviable. Not at all. Perish the thought.

See, the reason why I wrote no disrespect to you was because I didn't want you to get nasty with me, as I find that childish. However, this clarifies to me why you're so tremendously disliked in these forums. And I wasn't talking about Ostroff, I was defending ANTM itself, and only ANTM.

Now carry on with a childish, pathetic response where you act like a smart ass to boost your self-esteem, rolling your eyes like a 12 year-old girl.

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Originally posted by AL:

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Originally posted by TPlums:
Any thoughts on Las Vegas getting canceled ?

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors...-Scoop-Nbc/800033830

It consistently built on its lead in and aired during one of the least watched hours of television.

I can't imagine they will find a show for a Friday night that will get the ratings Las Vegas had. Trying a new show on a Friday night is the kiss of death, and NBC does not have a strong enough show to move there. Maybe they will just 2 hours of gameshows and Dateline next season. A mistake if you ask me.

1 vs 100 was doing just as well, if not better than Las Vegas in the ratings with lower production costs.

Las Vegas usually fought with 20/20 for 2nd/3rd place in the hour. I think NBC could find another show that draws 6 million viewers

NBC knew Las Vegas was losing steam. They should've gave it a lead in that was worth something. Or better yet, leave it at 9pm and lead it into Life this past fall. Its clear that L&O should've never left Wednesdays and 1 vs. 100 on Fridays all along would've done no worse than DOND. FNL never belonged on Fridays and probably could've pulled last years 6 million 2.8 demo on another night if not more than that. I have a hard time believing it would do no worse than Journeyman (probably much better) on Mondays.