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Originally posted by John T. Folden:

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Originally posted by Chimera:
My post wasn't a statement, it was a question. I find it really odd that a FOX show would do reasonably well in Households and overall viewers, but do so poorly in the demo. When was the last time that happened? (Really, I'm asking).

Was there something special on one of the other networks that might have pulled viewers from the 18-49 demo 8-11 yesterday?

Not really -- Dancing with the Stars returns next week. Deal or No Deal did not run opposite it, and did not have a special twist. I was business as usual, and probably lighter competition than usual, in fact.

Perhaps the Daylight Savings Time switch is keeping all the young 'uns outside.

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by Obveeus:
Canterbury's Law failed right out of the starting gate.

Why it has failed? I know it's gonna get canceled beacause of the demos, but the fact that 7.5 million individuals tuned in to watch the show is far from a failure.

The demos suggest that it skewed really old. That poor of a demo will get a FOX show cancelled. The only first run shows on FOX to do that poorly this year were specials (NAACP Awards and some college football pre-games). The really bad omen, though, is that DwtS comes next week and it is an old person juggernaut. Canterbury's Law will lose a significant chunk of its audience to that old person magnet.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by Obveeus:
Canterbury's Law failed right out of the starting gate.

Why it has failed? I know it's gonna get canceled beacause of the demos, but the fact that 7.5 million individuals tuned in to watch the show is far from a failure.

The demos suggest that it skewed really old. That poor of a demo will get a FOX show cancelled. The only first run shows on FOX to do that poorly this year were specials (NAACP Awards and some college football pre-games). The really bad omen, though, is that DwtS comes next week and it is an old person juggernaut. Canterbury's Law will lose a significant chunk of its audience to that old person magnet.

Well, it's not so much the "skew" as the really low demo. If it were getting a 3.0 with 15 million viewers, FOX probably wouldn't care all that much that it skewed old. On the other hand, if it got 5 million viewers, it wouldn't make the 1.7 look any better.

Unless CL bucks the standard and goes up in the demo next week, I can't see this one lasting.

old person magnet! I love it.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by Obveeus:
Canterbury's Law failed right out of the starting gate.

Why it has failed? I know it's gonna get canceled beacause of the demos, but the fact that 7.5 million individuals tuned in to watch the show is far from a failure.

The demos suggest that it skewed really old. That poor of a demo will get a FOX show cancelled. The only first run shows on FOX to do that poorly this year were specials (NAACP Awards and some college football pre-games). The really bad omen, though, is that DwtS comes next week and it is an old person juggernaut. Canterbury's Law will lose a significant chunk of its audience to that old person magnet.

Do we have Sunday and/or Monday finals yet?

Well see (and I admit I'm saying this without seeing Canterbury, but noting that it's a scripted show), the thing is you're under the demo but you ain't part of the demo. The trouble is, you have a brain. Fox doesn't want YOU. They want that part of the demo that's subhuman. The sort of person who will either go on "Truth or Dare" or whatever the heck they're calling that lie detector show, or watch it. The types who couldn't spell CAT if you spotted them the C and the A.

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I don't get it. I'm under the demo and I watched "Canterbury's Law!" And I thoroughly enjoyed it and will be tuning into future episodes.

I saw that the new shows got there own disussion, but Unhitched still needs one. Just thought I would let you know.

While I agree that Moment of Truth does cater to the lowest common denominator. Most of Fox's highest demo shows are not lowbrow. I don't find AI, House, 24, PB, Bones, Simpsons, Family Guy aren't for those who can't put the T in Cat. I am not surprised that CL did poorly. As someone smack dab in the demo, I had zero interest in seeing it. The star, the overused premise, the whole look of it - no interest.

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Originally posted by heighteye:
Well see (and I admit I'm saying this without seeing Canterbury, but noting that it's a scripted show), the thing is you're under the demo but you ain't part of the demo. The trouble is, you have a brain. Fox doesn't want YOU. They want that part of the demo that's subhuman. The sort of person who will either go on "Truth or Dare" or whatever the heck they're calling that lie detector show, or watch it. The types who couldn't spell CAT if you spotted them the C and the A.

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I don't get it. I'm under the demo and I watched "Canterbury's Law!" And I thoroughly enjoyed it and will be tuning into future episodes.

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I don't know the exact reason she dropped oou. But one thing's for sure: the media and the general public are more interested in weired talentless singer/actress (remember Crossroads?) than in a good actress.
So clearly Silverstone would be overshadowed

Only in Hollywood would there exist a mentality that both pay and quality of work should take a back seat to quantity of 'press' coverage in comparison to your coworkers.

Well, given that 99% of what you read in entertainment is untrue, I'll warrant the real reason is nothing to do with what's been reported.

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Originally posted by Chimera:

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Originally posted by John T. Folden:

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Originally posted by Chimera:
My post wasn't a statement, it was a question. I find it really odd that a FOX show would do reasonably well in Households and overall viewers, but do so poorly in the demo. When was the last time that happened? (Really, I'm asking).

Was there something special on one of the other networks that might have pulled viewers from the 18-49 demo 8-11 yesterday?

Not really -- Dancing with the Stars returns next week. Deal or No Deal did not run opposite it, and did not have a special twist. I was business as usual, and probably lighter competition than usual, in fact.

Perhaps the Daylight Savings Time switch is keeping all the young 'uns outside.

I plan all of my youthful activities later in the day due to daylight saving time because that's what all demo people do.

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Originally posted by whatsonpop:
While I agree that Moment of Truth does cater to the lowest common denominator. Most of Fox's highest demo shows are not lowbrow. I don't find AI, House, 24, PB, Bones, Simpsons, Family Guy aren't for those who can't put the T in Cat. I am not surprised that CL did poorly. As someone smack dab in the demo, I had zero interest in seeing it. The star, the overused premise, the whole look of it - no interest.

I wouldn't put American Idol on the list of shows that require people to be able to spell cat, but the other shows listed all require some intelligence to follow. If they gave out viewer IQ tests, I think that FOX would outrank ABC.

As for Julianna Margulies: she really has gone from Hero to Zero with her career. She looked like a real Hollywood powerhouse as she departed from ER, but has not done much of anything since then.

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Originally posted by whatsonpop:
old person magnet! I love it.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by Obveeus:
Canterbury's Law failed right out of the starting gate.

Why it has failed? I know it's gonna get canceled beacause of the demos, but the fact that 7.5 million individuals tuned in to watch the show is far from a failure.

The demos suggest that it skewed really old. That poor of a demo will get a FOX show cancelled. The only first run shows on FOX to do that poorly this year were specials (NAACP Awards and some college football pre-games). The really bad omen, though, is that DwtS comes next week and it is an old person juggernaut. Canterbury's Law will lose a significant chunk of its audience to that old person magnet.

They should start using "old person magnet" in their marketing slogans. Sure to alienate a whole slew of generations. lol

Personally, I tried the first 10 mins of CL and found I just wasn't enjoying it enough to keep watching. Mostly re the tone & the camerawork I think, as I was looking forward to Margulies back on teevee and the story looked to be alright. These late starting shows I never feel will be around long anyway. Just as you start getting into them they disappear and I'd rather not be disappointed...given the ratings, that's highly likely in this case.

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Originally posted by Chimera:
Perhaps the Daylight Savings Time switch is keeping all the young 'uns outside.

I plan all of my youthful activities later in the day due to daylight saving time because that's what all demo people do.

All the kiddie baseball and soccer games are certainly keeping partents out later now than a month ago. Moreover, that extra hour of daylight means opportunity to get some yardwork done before nightfall. Neither of those facts excuse Canterbury's Law's demo performance, but TV ratings will drop as spring arrives.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:

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Originally posted by Chimera:
Perhaps the Daylight Savings Time switch is keeping all the young 'uns outside.

I plan all of my youthful activities later in the day due to daylight saving time because that's what all demo people do.

All the kiddie baseball and soccer games are certainly keeping partents out later now than a month ago. Moreover, that extra hour of daylight means opportunity to get some yardwork done before nightfall. Neither of those facts excuse Canterbury's Law's demo performance, but TV ratings will drop as spring arrives.

Demo will kill you every single time. When ABC cancelled Millionaire, it was still drawing 10 million viewers. The catch? Fluctuating between a 1.8 and a 2 in the demo. We'll see the same thing happen with DWtS when the view numbers start to drop. It's very old skewing now, even with great viewer numbers.

Great viewer numbers can compensate for a low demo, and a high demo can compensate for low viewership. But put the two negatives together, and you get yourself cancelled.

Shows about defense attorneys have failed for many years now. Early seasons of The Practice is all I remember lately being successful. I blame OJ. His trial led to disgust with defense lawyers that shows no sign of abating. Civil suits leading to high costs for insurance, medical and other services haven't helped. The only satisfaction with TV lawyers now is the prosecutors putting violent criminals away in the L&O franchise and CBS shows. Recent prominent cases will sour the public on prosecutors as well.

If I was running a network I would steer clear of any shows about lawyers.